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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

you also forgot that he hit 4 straight BF's back to back, his output while nowhere near 100% shouldn't be as low as 7.5 cuse if that was the case a combo of yuji and miguel would be able to slaughter him as both have special grade's of AP and then some but sukuna is still beating the breaks off of them while with a single arm, his output is way over 7.5% current because if it wasn't with all the weakenesses you just mentioned he'd be dead already.
He was already blitzing them before even hitting the Black Flashes. Sukuna gets at fast as he wants to be, if he's toying with them they can keep up a little if he locks in they get BLITZED.

What indicates that Sukuna at that level wouldn't still be able to give them a run down, you're just saying he'd be dead already but for what reason?
 
Also, yall are aware that current Sukuna has ce reserves less than 10F, right? So output wise, if he wasn't nerfed at all and only had ce reserves up to 10F, he would only be capable of displaying 10F level output... So currently, this isn't really a ""20F Sukuna"" at the moment. It's a "10F/9F" Sukuna who has a output far worse than 10F/9F.
CE reserves dont correlate to CE output. Yuta, for example, has some of the largest cursed energy reserves within the entire series but even he can't output the same level of cursed energy as Ryu by himself.
 
He was already blitzing them before even hitting the Black Flashes.

What indicates that Sukuna at that level wouldn't still be able to give them a run down, you're just saying he'd be dead already but for what reason?
good sir, we have miguel who Gojo compared to himself when it comes to CE reinforcement and gojo while not even trying was able to smash 1F sukuna into the pavement before he could even react and yet we see this current sukuna being able to actually react to and swap hands with miguel.

Current sukuna is in no way below 2 finger worths of power, he is currently at like 4-5 fingers, or less than half of his current 10F worth of CE that he has left after the Gojo fight (plus I mean common yuji and the gang where able to somewhat swap hands with sukuna fresh of his reincarnation who'd be at like 10F worth of power, to say that they all of a sudden can't do much more even after he went down to a tenth of that is a reach and then some)
 
good sir, we have miguel who Gojo compared to himself when it comes to CE reinforcement and gojo while not even trying was able to smash 1F sukuna into the pavement before he could even react and yet we see this current sukuna being able to actually react to and swap hands with miguel.

Current sukuna is in no way below 2 finger worths of power, he is currently at like 4-5 fingers, or less than half of his current 10F worth of CE that he has left after the Gojo fight (plus I mean common yuji and the gang where able to somewhat swap hands with sukuna fresh of his reincarnation who'd be at like 10F worth of power, to say that they all of a sudden can't do much more even after he went down to a tenth of that is a reach and then some)
1F Sukuna wasn't able to touch Gojo as he wasn't aware of his technique at the time, Gojo blitzing 1F doesn't make him inferior to anyone Gojo with Blue can blitz even 20F Sukuna if he isn't fully on guard for it, he did this to Full Power Meguna in his Domain when blasting Red in his face.
There's no concrete scaling for him so it doesn't discredit it at all
 
Kenjaku never tried to tame Mahoraga because hes not interrested in the 10s. He never cared about Megumi. He never even mentioned his name
Not interested
Nothing proves that though? And not caring about megumi is irrelevant. We talking about hundreds or more years back. He would definitely know about the big three clans, especially Gojo clan's opp, mahoraga. and the 10S existed back then. There's literally 0 reason to not be interested in acquiring something as special as Mahoraga, who's kinda like "Yamata no Orochi" who Kenjaku is aware of given the fact that he was in Heian Era too..
Nonetheless, not wanting to acquire a shikigami, who can adapt to any phenomena, and is a really great counter to the gojo clan, is and would be the dumbest thing Kenjaku could EVER do, like be serious. The fact that he hasn't acquired it is quite telling that he simply isn't powerful enough to do it.
 
CE reserves dont correlate to CE output. Yuta, for example, has some of the largest cursed energy reserves within the entire series but even he can't output the same level of cursed energy as Ryu by himself.
? So you think 1F Sukuna = 20F Sukuna?
how do you think JP Hakari got a better output when he got increased ce reserves 😂
 
Nothing proves that though? And not caring about megumi is irrelevant. We talking about hundreds or more years back. He would definitely know about the big three clans, especially Gojo clan's opp, mahoraga. and the 10S existed back then. There's literally 0 reason to not be interested in acquiring something as special as Mahoraga, who's kinda like "Yamata no Orochi" who Kenjaku is aware of given the fact that he was in Heian Era too..
Nonetheless, not wanting to acquire a shikigami, who can adapt to any phenomena, and is a really great counter to the gojo clan, is and would be the dumbest thing Kenjaku could EVER do, like be serious. The fact that he hasn't acquired it is quite telling that he simply isn't powerful enough to do it.
I mean the 10S are kinda pointless for kenny since they don't do nothing for his plans, like cool its strong but what is that gonna do to help him merge tengen with the world? nothing, he needed that Curse manip for the tangen plan, 10S are kinda worthless to him.
 
? So you think 1F Sukuna = 20F Sukuna?
how do you think JP Hakari got a better output when he got increased ce reserves 😂
I mean I think he is mainly saying that it is not a 1 to 1 for CE and output and that is true, Since I'd say that having the same amount of CE as 1F sukuna would not mean you have even half of 1F sukuna's output
 
Didnt Gojo say that jogo was stronger than 3f sukuna? Like bruh
Mahito Says Jogo has more Raw CE than sukuna, but his soul built different

Gojo judges that Jogo is probably more POWERFUL than Sukuna based on the blasts(he's wrong on jogo being stronger and is just basing this off Jogos CE capacity)


its like two direct statements that jogo has more CE than 3F
So no.
 
I mean I think he is mainly saying that it is not a 1 to 1 for CE and output and that is true, Since I'd say that having the same amount of CE as 1F sukuna would not mean you have even half of 1F sukuna's output
1F Sukuna and 20F have same ce control. That doesn't mean their output is the same. More fingers give Sukuna more ce reserves and that translates to more output. This is how it has been for Sukuna in the series. For Hakari, JP only gives him infinite ce. he obviously can't use all of it, but the increase in CE output is obvious.
I thought all of this was obvious?
 
Why would he need Mahoraga? Wy would he take the risk to fight Gojo? he already had the prison realm.
why wouldn't he acquire mahoraga who's got one of the best ct in verse and can adapt to anything. why wouldn't he use it to also kill off the entire gojo clan, a total Wipeout.

I mean the 10S are kinda pointless for kenny since they don't do nothing for his plans, like cool its strong but what is that gonna do to help him merge tengen with the world? nothing, he needed that Curse manip for the tangen plan, 10S are kinda worthless to him.
It helps with dealing with people who are stronger than him or are troublesome. We know this since he's been getting packed by six eyes users on and on. they're his nemesis.
 
It helps with dealing with people who are stronger than him or are troublesome. We know this since he's been getting packed by six eyes users on and on. they're his nemesis.
that's not the problem for him though? he specifically saught out the prison realm to deal with the two issues 6 eyes pose because, while he can kill the six eyes users (killed the baby one) they seem to just spring up when the merger happens so instead of dealing with that possibility just seal em away and be done with it. Far simpler and easier to do than having to go out of his way and mess with potentially losing the one CT he needs to pull of the merger.
 
1F Sukuna and 20F have same ce control. That doesn't mean their output is the same. More fingers give Sukuna more ce reserves and that translates to more output. This is how it has been for Sukuna in the series. For Hakari, JP only gives him infinite ce. he obviously can't use all of it, but the increase in CE output is obvious.
I thought all of this was obvious?
(you'd think so but half the fanbase can't read so ya know...)
 
that's not the problem for him though? he specifically saught out the prison realm to deal with the two issues 6 eyes pose because, while he can kill the six eyes users (killed the baby one) they seem to just spring up when the merger happens so instead of dealing with that possibility just seal em away and be done with it. Far simpler and easier to do than having to go out of his way and mess with potentially losing the one CT he needs to pull of the merger.
? He has lots of spots for ct's, so a 10S ain't really anything to say no about at all. and yeah that's a problem for him. he could simply just wipe out the gojo clan. how's the six eyes gonna pop up then when the entire bloodline is gone?
secondly, again, 10S was already within his sights long ago when it comes to dealing with the gojo clan. Not to mention the versatility of the kit, the potential of the kit (spamming summoning mahoragas in the domain? Shadow Clone type of shi like megumi did?) etc is far too valuable. He wouldn't even need to care about six eyes users anymore if he had Mahoraga, because they're all a victim to mahoraga to begin with. At that point, the merger would be guaranteed to succeed.

(you'd think so but half the fanbase can't read so ya know...)
😭 ur right.
 
? He has lots of spots for ct's, so a 10S ain't really anything to say no about at all. and yeah that's a problem for him. he could simply just wipe out the gojo clan. how's the six eyes gonna pop up then when the entire bloodline is gone?
dude I think he can do that at any point when there are no 6 eyes around, we really do not know how the bloody hell a 6 eyes user showed up when kenny killed the 6 eyes baby prior.
secondly, again, 10S was already within his sights long ago when it comes to dealing with the gojo clan. Not to mention the versatility of the kit, the potential of the kit (spamming summoning mahoragas in the domain? Shadow Clone type of shi like megumi did?) etc is far too valuable. He wouldn't even need to care about six eyes users anymore if he had Mahoraga, because they're all a victim to mahoraga to begin with.
are you certain about that? I am more than sure a good chunk of the 6 eyes users could end maho.
 
JJK is feasting with upgrades after this chapter, you can tell how much the BF cap was holding back the verse. Relativistic+ JJK can actually be a thing now which is crazy
It’s hilarious how many people said that JJK being rel to FTL are just wanking and in search of endless upgrades are now forced to face the most consistent and constant amount of MHS to Rel feats ever.

I’ve already thought of counterarguments to the arguments people are going to make towards all of this.
 
Hmm, i dont think thats how it works + 10f worth of Ce is still alat
I mean think of it this way;

Say you have a full tank of CE you can use 40% to constantly pump into reinforcement as to not get ****** over by basic attacks, you can pour 60% into your CT when you use it for that sweet sweet power output and if you chose you can forgo you CT in exchange for a domain expansion which you embue with said CT.

If you lose 25% of your full tank all of a sudden you can't pour quite as much CE into either reinforcment nor your CT meaning your output will drop one way or another, you may be hyper efficient with your CE so that the drop isn't an exact 1 to 1 to the CE drop but you will still have a lesser output due to the decrease, same thing will happen again if you lose an extra 25% going to 50% of your total.
 
I mean think of it this way;

Say you have a full tank of CE you can use 40% to constantly pump into reinforcement as to not get ****** over by basic attacks, you can pour 60% into your CT when you use it for that sweet sweet power output and if you chose you can forgo you CT in exchange for a domain expansion which you embue with said CT.

If you lose 25% of your full tank all of a sudden you can't pour quite as much CE into either reinforcment nor your CT meaning your output will drop one way or another, you may be hyper efficient with your CE so that the drop isn't an exact 1 to 1 to the CE drop but you will still have a lesser output due to the decrease, same thing will happen again if you lose an extra 25% going to 50% of your total.
Ok I guess that makes sense
 
dude I think he can do that at any point when there are no 6 eyes around, we really do not know how the bloody hell a 6 eyes user showed up when kenny killed the 6 eyes baby prior.
Then the gojo clan wouldn't know anything about the past then, neither would it be one of the three big clans dude. What I mean by that is that, Kenjaku would have certainly tried this, because Six eyes is tied to the gojo clan bloodline to begin with. It wouldn't exist even if the fate of the six eyes is tied to Tengen. Because how else could you have a gojo clan member if there isn't a gojo clan bloodline?
Clearly they weren't just a bunch of fodders, with or without the six eyes users.
So my point still stands that Mahoraga is a exceptionally great tool to kill the six eyes users with limitless ct already. given the fact that untamed Maho killed that person.


are you certain about that? I am more than sure a good chunk of the 6 eyes users could end maho.
How many has limitless ct and six eyes at the same time? very few. It's also why HP is so rarely known to few people. And we know a untamed mahoraga murked a six eyes limitless user.
And yeah, I'm pretty sure the Zenin clan and Gojo clan being enemies with each other over conflicts like this event from 400 years ago, is quite telling that none of the six eyes user were opponents for Maho whatsoever. Heck, nobody in Zenin could ever tame Mahoraga whatsoever to begin with, in history.

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You can also try to team up and exorcise it, but it's still said that nobody has ever succeeded whatsoever. Considering the enmity between zenin clan and gojo clan, there are bound to be sparks between six eyes users that are non limitless users, so there's that. But ignoring that, a head of gojo clan, specifically one with six eyes and limitless ct, lost. Gojo himself thinks that is noteworthy, so it most likely isn't some newbie scrub limitless user but one with blue, red and purple. As Megumi says they died to untamed Maho.

That being said, this still doesn't address the fact that, upon obtaining a shikigami successfully, you can further strengthen it. Mahoraga, who's base stats are 3F level, would be further strengthened if controlled. Meaning: A almost guaranteed way to kill any six eyes users no problem. And even to completely destroy the gojo clan. Kenjaku can also camp and wait for the current six eyes users to get old before striking as well, and eliminate the clan in one fell swoop.
 
Reserves =/= output, so its still possible
? Yeah we know there are characters who can't output all of their ce. That's still irrelevant to the fact that upon gaining more ce, even if you can't use up all of your ce reserves to output, the output would still increase considerably. If Yuta had ce reserves matching Ryu's, he would utterly lose.
 
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