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Those examples yeah, but also other examples like the calcs use the same method, or the calcs use the same reference object for scaling, etc.
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Bro is going to debunk big 3 one by one
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Luffy says "too slow" to a light attack coming at him. Is this enough to give him a speed of perception exactly as fast as light? Also, isn't calculating using this expression considered calculation stacking? I just wonder it so i asked.
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A thread is currently ongoing to determine whether or not such a thing is calc stacking, but personally, I don't believe it is. Also, if Luffy considers light to be "too slow" then his perceptions should at minimum be light speed
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No, it isn't a calculation.
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There's only one calc, where's the stacking?
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First naruto, now one piece. What's next? Pokémon or whatFinally finished my Naruto thread, now I get to move onto one piece.
Calculation 1:
Kaido's Thunder Bagua
The problems:
1. It's calc stacking.
2. It's not actually a blitz? Why are we using blitz timeframes for something that isn't a blitz.
Calculation 2:
Bajrang Gun
The problems/questions:
1. I don't believe it happens in 1 frame.
2. Outlier? 40x increase. May be a non point. Saying it just incase.
3. How do we know the hollow to non hollow ratio?
Arceus0x also gave a good point "Technically the fist being rubber pumped with air makes it more hollow"
Calculation 3:
Marco Dodges Queen's Beams
The problem:
We don't actually have evidence that Marco did the full 180 degree spin before Queen's light beam got to his original position, the light beam was already on the ground and exploded when we see Marco finish his 180 degree spin. We also don't have evidence that Marco actually moved after the light beam was shot, so he could have moved before.
Calculation 4:
Sanji dodges Queen's lasers
The problems/questions:
Feat 1:
1. Pixel scaling to the height of his jump is baseless. Why not just pixel scale to the height of the highest laser that's moved the same distance as the furthest shot lasers? I don't really know how to explain it well sorry.
Basically pixel scaling to the height Sanji jumped is weird because we don't know if it happened in the timeframe of the first laser that was shot hitting Sanji's original position.
I'm unsure about this one it's kinda confusing.
Feat 2:
1. Small complaint: It doesn't take a genius to realise the distance between Sanji and Queen is larger then 50cm.
2. The distance moved is a large highball without any evidence? Its literally "I think this happened so it happened". We don't know when nor how Sanji moved its as simple as that, lowballing it would be better, unless the anime provides evidence behind Sanji moving 2.82743338823 meters.
Feat 3:
Wouldn't this just be the rate of fire, not perception speed?
DISCLAIMER: Please don't be annoyed if some of my debunks and questions are bad, just tell me why they're bad.
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I explained here
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It factually cannot be calc stacking, there is only one calc.
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it's already a crt
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No its not. Luffy just verbatim states that LS is too slow to tag him.
It literally cannot be calc-stacking it involves only itself and makes only one assumption using this manga panel. Also multiple threads have been made about this topic already.
It is. Luffy was using precognition and still got grazed.
This is something that calc group members would know more about.
No. This is Luffy's ultimate attack that nothing else scales to as of yet. Crazier multipliers for attacks have been accepted in the past.
Standard assumption.
If this was the case then Gear 3rd or King Kong Gun wouldn't be any stronger because they are slower and also have very little added mass.
Those are all extra assumptions aren't they?
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I completely agree that we should not take advantage of this success. You're saying that Luffy's ability to react to light gives him a window of time in which he can react. 1/speed of light This means that if a character can blitz Luffy within 10 meters, they instantly become FTL+, which I don't think is necessary at all.
I don't want to talk about other verses, but if We can do this with Luffy, even though he has a perception time frame of 1/speed of light From what he said the light was slow. We will have many characters who can use the same reason and that will give us a lot of success from FTL to MFTL+.
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people need to stop derailing this thread... Any questions or anything else thats has nothing to do with the original post can talk about it somewhere else, the thread is about calcs and their validity
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Gotta point out, Since due to observation haki, woulden't that make it so they see the attack coming before it even start? lowering their perception and reaction speed even further?
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I agree that Sanji's dodge distance should only reach the blue line. That should be the lowest level Sanji can move to avoid being attacked.Calculation 4:
Sanji dodges Queen's lasers
The problems/questions:
Feat 1:
1. Pixel scaling to the height of his jump is baseless. Why not just pixel scale to the height of the highest laser that's moved the same distance as the furthest shot lasers? I don't really know how to explain it well sorry.
Basically pixel scaling to the height Sanji jumped is weird because we don't know if it happened in the timeframe of the first laser that was shot hitting Sanji's original position.
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observation haki enhances all senses and they also know the attack before it launches, yes...
So it wouldn't lower their reaction speed, just know what's going to happen making them even more alert and ready with their enhanced senses
Why I personally feel like it can be used is because it acts similar to other statements of getting LS perception/reactions, a statement from a weaker luffy calling something too slow to then a stronger and more alert luffy calling something too fast... Using LS as a minimum via the statements should be fine and there is no calc stacking involved if it's from a statement
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Why do you guys think it works? We don't have any evidence. that the characters can respond to light The perceptual time frame is required to be 1 divided by the speed of light.
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what evidence do we not have? The statements clearly confirms that light is too slow for luffy while the other movement is too fast (with confirmation of being fully alert). the showings also have no antifeats for it
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I mean the evidence that The perception of light It gives us a time frame to recognize that. 0.000000003336 second This is what I want to convey.
If you can tell me the reason for this, I won't have to adjust the calculations. Because what I really wonder about is this.
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that comes from both the statements? Giving a minimum LS perception that's useable for the feat (assuming it's accepted in the other thread)
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It is clearly not Lightspeed perception, that is him reacting and preciving a attack that he already knew was coming. and yes. Observation haki is already accepted as Precog. The point is that their reaction to "SoL attacks" are based both on the attacks being much further away, and knowing it was coming before it was even used.
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