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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

TheLav69 said:
Lightspeed cero suona bene finché non ti rendi conto di cosa comporta effettivamente.

Prima di tutto, ogni volta che un personaggio viene colpito da un cero perché non è in grado di evitarlo, diventa un'antifeat per quel personaggio che è FTL.
In secondo luogo, l'argomento secondo cui la luce spirituale non è necessariamente velocità della luce è gravemente indebolito, e questo apre la porta ad argomenti come Auswahlen che limita la velocità della luce, che ha enormi ripercussioni sull'aumento della velocità dei livelli degli dei.
In terzo luogo, le persone potrebbero quindi prendere lo strano ridimensionamento della relatività speciale che Hikone ha in CFYOW e poi usarlo per sostenere che Bleach ha una relatività speciale e quindi si ferma alla velocità della luce.
In quarto luogo, crea solo un enorme, enorme, enorme pasticcio nel ridimensionamento della velocità in generale. Insomma, un gran casino.

Se vuoi la candeggina precoce alla velocità della luce, usa semplicemente negacion o aaroniero per schivare la luce solare o qualcosa del genere. La conferma di Ceros SOL sarebbe catastrofica, imo.
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TheLav69 said:
Lightspeed cero suona bene finché non ti rendi conto di cosa comporta effettivamente.

Prima di tutto, ogni volta che un personaggio viene colpito da un cero perché non è in grado di evitarlo, diventa un'antifeat per quel personaggio che è FTL.
In secondo luogo, l'argomento secondo cui la luce spirituale non è necessariamente velocità della luce è gravemente indebolito, e questo apre la porta ad argomenti come Auswahlen che limita la velocità della luce, che ha enormi ripercussioni sull'aumento della velocità dei livelli degli dei.
In terzo luogo, le persone potrebbero quindi prendere lo strano ridimensionamento della relatività speciale che Hikone ha in CFYOW e poi usarlo per sostenere che Bleach ha una relatività speciale e quindi si ferma alla velocità della luce.
In quarto luogo, crea solo un enorme, enorme, enorme pasticcio nel ridimensionamento della velocità in generale. Insomma, un gran casino.

Se vuoi la candeggina precoce alla velocità della luce, usa semplicemente negacion o aaroniero per schivare la luce solare o qualcosa del genere. La conferma di Ceros SOL sarebbe catastrofica, imo.
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Questo non limita la velocità della candeggina? le cose che fa Hikone?
 
Hxskyy2005 said:
Doesn't this limit the speed of the bleach? the things Hikone does?
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Honestly, the speed scaling on the profiles is so messed up right now that I genuinely can’t tell if it’s limiting anyone other than Hikone and Kenpachi (and whoever else would scale to them I guess).
 
TheLav69 said:
Honestly, the speed scaling on the profiles is so messed up right now that I genuinely can’t tell if it’s limiting anyone other than Hikone and Kenpachi (and whoever else would scale to them I guess).
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I honestly hope it's not like this hahaha I want my ichigo still at mftl
 
Since the speeds of the characters are already equalized in vs threads this is not an issue that needs to be paid much attention to.
 
Valeska24 said:
Dato che le velocità dei personaggi sono già equalizzate nei thread, questo non è un problema a cui bisogna prestare molta attenzione.
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it would be a problem for those who do crossverse or otherwise. I wouldn't want bleach's top tiers to be just ftl
 
Valeska24 said:
Since the speeds of the characters are already equalized in vs threads this is not an issue that needs to be paid much attention to.
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Technically this is an indexing site first, the versus matches are a secondary thing. But generally, yeah, speed is a lower priority than AP/SS/Durability.
 
Hxskyy2005 said:
it would be a problem for those who do crossverse or otherwise. I wouldn't want bleach's top tiers to be just ftl
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I generally don't need speed to defend Bleach God tiers (Of course this is outside of vsb ) But of course I would like characters like Ichibei to increase their speed
 
TheLav69 said:
Honestly, the speed scaling on the profiles is so messed up right now
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Idk how many layers of irony we’re at atm, but just to be clear, this wasn’t supposed to be a jab at anyone, I’m actually curious as to how the Hikone stuff is handled on the wiki.

My current theory is that, during the last speed revision, the non-god tiers never got close to lightspeed in the first place because of the Mach 500 thing, so it never really became an issue. I wasn’t around then, though, so idk 🤷‍♂️
 
TheLav69 said:
Idk how many layers of irony we’re at atm, but just to be clear, this wasn’t supposed to be a jab at anyone, I’m actually curious as to how the Hikone stuff is handled on the wiki.

My current theory is that, during the last speed revision, the non-god tiers never got close to lightspeed in the first place because of the Mach 500 thing, so it never really became an issue. I wasn’t around then, though, so idk 🤷‍♂️
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Or,hear me out,you could look at the profiles or even the verse page and see plenty of the god tiers are FTL,to FTL+(Aizen) to MFTL with multipliers(Ichigo).
Oh,you meant the non god tiers(moments like this reminds why i unironically need glasses,things get blurry way to often).
 
Crobatman44 said:
Or,hear me out,you could look at the profiles or even the verse page and see plenty of the god tiers are FTL,to FTL+(Aizen) to MFTL with multipliers(Ichigo).
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I’m well aware, but the fact that we have special relativity in the first place is what makes me wonder why they can be faster than light. I’m asking how that was handled, and if it wasn’t properly handled and I gotta wait for speed revisions to see, that’s fine.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Actual cornball Bleach top tiers are gonna be sub relativistic, and the god tiers will be like FTL to MFTL. The sooner you learn to cope with that the
Arc7Kuroi said:
Actual cornball Bleach top tiers are gonna be sub relativistic, and the god tiers will be like FTL to MFTL. The sooner you learn to cope with that the better.
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I agree. but Hikone's things don't bring ichigo max ftl?
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Ok y’all let’s not drill arc over this more than is absolutely necessary, lol. There’s a million ways you can scale bleach speed, and whichever one is the most consistent is the one we’ll get.

If cour 3 and 4 come out and confirms infinite speed senjumaru or some shit, then that’ll be taken into account. At the same time, if the Ichigo vs Yhwach fight drops and they’re all warping space with just their speed, then that’ll also be taken into account, and bleach might unironically cap at lightspeed.

I don’t think anyone knows for sure how the speed revisions are going turn out because bleach speed scaling is so extremely volatile that cours 3 and 4 could potentially flip the entire thing on its head, and not even Arc knows exactly what will be added when they come out. We really should just wait.
 
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I have in fact read half of the Bleach series, and Zaraki is per definition far too amoral and bloodthirsty to qualify as a genuinely good character with very high degrees of empathy, conscience, compassion, and moral conduct. Even an average human does not qualify as good, just neutral, and Zaraki's past deeds of thrill-killing slaughter makes him considerably worse than an average human.
 
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