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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Ok y’all let’s not drill arc over this more than is absolutely necessary, lol. There’s a million ways you can scale bleach speed, and whichever one is the most consistent is the one we’ll get.

If cour 3 and 4 come out and confirms infinite speed senjumaru or some shit, then that’ll be taken into account. At the same time, if the Ichigo vs Yhwach fight drops and they’re all warping space with just their speed, then that’ll also be taken into account, and bleach might unironically cap at lightspeed.

I don’t think anyone knows for sure how the speed revisions are going turn out because bleach speed scaling is so extremely volatile that cours 3 and 4 could potentially flip the entire thing on its head, and not even Arc knows exactly what will be added when they come out. We really should just wait.
 
Hxskyy2005 said:
lol
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Wow I didn't know Arc could speak Italian
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I have in fact read half of the Bleach series, and Zaraki is per definition far too amoral and bloodthirsty to qualify as a genuinely good character with very high degrees of empathy, conscience, compassion, and moral conduct. Even an average human does not qualify as good, just neutral, and Zaraki's past deeds of thrill-killing slaughter makes him considerably worse than an average human.
 
Arcker123 said:
He commits genocide multiple times on his own children
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If you think about it, no one in Bleach is 100% good except for Orihime and some other characters I'm probably forgetting. Yhwach is the lesser evil when contrasted with the Soul Society.
 
Saying "lesser evil" inherently implies that he is both evil and wrong. :rolleyes:

The Soul Society has committed more crimes and more often than Yhwach.

His belief in himself being right and morally correct implies that he is less evil than the Soul Society, which knows it is wrong yet continues to commit the crimes.

Remember that the representation of evilness in the Soul Society's upper class is literally Tokinada, who is the most evil dude in the series so far.

Therefore, asserting that Yhwach is less evil than the Soul Society is a valid interpretation. Considering how Kubo doesn't shy away from depicting the Soul Society's evil actions and provides 'justifications' for main antagonists who oppose it, it's likely that he agrees with this perspective.
 
You're argument is that Yhwach believes that he's right, and the soul society doesn't therefore Yhwach is less evil, but I just said that all that amounts to is simply Yhwach being more self righteous, as i said.
 
ngl yhwach is a murderous asshole
And actually, characters like Ulq/Starrk/Harribel/Nelliel in Bleach are more innocent than most Shinigami, in my opinion
And of course Aizen is the most innocent character in the universe
 
It was one of my points, not my whole argument. but yeah Yhwach's self-righteousness makes him less evil than the Soul Society. Think of it like a soldier believing they are serving a righteous cause and committing atrocities, even if the cause is not truly righteous, being considered less evil than a soldier who knows they're doing something wrong but keeps doing it anyway. Morality and evilness can be measured in various ways, two of which are the action itself and the intent/reason behind it. Yhwach genuinely believed that his goal was the best for humanity. He initially pursued this goal for both self-preservation and empathy/compassion for the living, which he acquired through absorbing the memories of countless people who feared death.
 
in short, the idea of yhwach wasn't bad. however he could have avoided it but I personally wouldn't consider him a bad guy
 
Bastolan27 said:
It was one of my points, not my whole argument. but yeah Yhwach's self-righteousness makes him less evil than the Soul Society. Think of it like a soldier believing they are serving a righteous cause and committing atrocities, even if the cause is not truly righteous, being considered less evil than a soldier who knows they're doing something wrong but keeps doing it anyway. Morality and evilness can be measured in various ways, two of which are the action itself and the intent/reason behind it. Yhwach genuinely believed that his goal was the best for humanity. He initially pursued this goal for both self-preservation and empathy/compassion for the living, which he acquired through absorbing the memories of countless people who feared death.
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This just doesn't matter when considering the crimes Yhwach commits.

Every genocidal asshole does it self righteous reasons, it doesn't make them better than people who have those same reasons, but are less pretentious about it like Seireitei. Yhwachs motivations aren't convincing reasons as to why he's somehow a lesser evil.
 
Arcker123 said:
This just doesn't matter when considering the crimes Yhwach commits.

Every genocidal asshole does it self righteous reasons, it doesn't make them better than people who have those same reasons, but are less pretentious about it like Seireitei. Yhwachs motivations aren't convincing reasons as to why he's somehow a lesser evil.
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Which genocide are you talking about? As far as I remember, the only thing he did that can be considered genocide and not just mass murder is the invasion of Soul Society. If it's the invasion of Soul Society, it is still less evil than all the other genocides the Soul Society committed, as it has the explanation of both being a war and revenge, unlike most of the Soul Society genocides, which are unjustifiable. Although the Quincy genocide by the Soul Society has a "justification" it's a very flimsy one. So, in that case, Yhwach would still be the lesser EVIL.


Disclaimer: I'm not saying that the invasion of Soul Society is right; I'm just pointing out that it at least has an explanation, which to some might be plausible. This is in contrast to the Soul Society's decisions like "let's kill all Mod Souls just because," "let's kill Fullbringers so we can get the Reio fragments," "instead of exploring 100 other options, let's just kill the Quincy because they don't want to stop killing their natural enemies, which are poisonous to them," and "let's not even agree to the Soken's proposal since it's better to let the Quincy die." Even in filler episodes, they commit genocides for no reason.
 
Bastolan27 said:
Which genocide are you talking about? As far as I remember, the only thing he did that can be considered genocide and not just mass murder is the invasion of Soul Society. If it's the invasion of Soul Society, it is still less evil than all the other genocides the Soul Society committed, as it has the explanation of both being a war and revenge, unlike most of the Soul Society genocides, which are unjustifiable. Although the Quincy genocide by the Soul Society has a "justification" it's a very flimsy one. So, in that case, Yhwach would still be the lesser EVIL.


Disclaimer: I'm not saying that the invasion of Soul Society is right; I'm just pointing out that it at least has an explanation, which to some might be plausible. This is in contrast to the Soul Society's decisions like "let's kill all Mod Souls just because," "let's kill Fullbringers so we can get the Reio fragments," "instead of exploring 100 other options, let's just kill the Quincy because they don't want to stop killing their natural enemies, which are poisonous to them," and "let's not even agree to the Soken's proposal since it's better to let the Quincy die." Even in filler episodes, they commit genocides for no reason.
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The Auschwalen
 
Arcker123 said:
The Auschwalen
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Unfortunately, that doesn't fall under genocide according to Oxford; only mass murder.

Yhwach didn't kill the Quincy just because, and he didn't do it with the goal of exterminating them; he did it to regain his power. Also, he didn't kill them because they are Quincy, but because it was the way to regain his power. So it fails to meet the criteria of the definition.
 
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