Okay, how does that relate to the hardest punches? It's mentioned that Ryu's CT is an energy blast, and he has the same power output. But why does having the same CE output blast mean he has the hardest punches?
Physical blows would involve no CT, it would be sheer CE Output, no? If Ryu has the greatest output, and his output is identical between using his CT or not, then his blows would be the strongest.
It shouldn’t because nothing in the series at all indicates that’s a thing.
So what, that doesn’t mean Gojo’s not taking it into account. It makes no sense for Gojo to not take it into account when Hakari’s whole CT is for the sole purpose of getting a jackpot, which he has shown to be able to consistently do, never taking more than 20 rounds in a fight to win. It’s more in line and logical for Gojo to take Hakari’s CT into consideration when talking about a person’s potential, not excluding it out of their performance entirely. That doesn’t make sense and is actually more far fetched to consider.
It’s disorientation not just pain, also Yuta has RCT as well so by the very same logic it wouldn’t make sense for Yuta to feel much pain either.
I’m not comparing Uruame to Yuta’s statements, I’m comparing her performance to Hakari compared to Gojo, who she got one shot by. That same panel of Yuta saying he can hold off 2 of the king of curses’ shikigami is further proof that he’s stronger since those same shikigami are going toe to toe with Gojo while Hakari is going toe to toe against the person Gojo one shot, so the indication is pretty clearly from my point of view. Also again, nothing indicates Gojo isn’t accounting for Hakari’s jackpot in his statements as well.
When it comes to throwing a punch, it's all about using your muscles, not just relying on cursed energy output. Nowhere does it say Ryu's punches hit as hard as his energy blasts, the closest thing be in how tough he makes his body with Reinforcement to match his energy blasts.
Sukuna is in the CG
Statement comes from casual Hakari and Yuta not Jackpot Hakari that enough of a proof
Let me clarify. It's not your typical RCT. Hakari's domain has various functions like automated RCT, purification, poison removal, etc. It's not the run of the mill RCT. In the ongoing fight, we see him unfazed by his torso getting wrecked or his hand freezing from Uraume's ice. However, in his base form, he felt pain, struggled to move his hands, and even collapsed when his torso got destroyed. This suggests that in Jackpot mode, he doesn't feel pain due to automatic RCT and other factors.
By Unusual Abilities he can hold them down not by strength. Narrative, Kenjaku talks about Yutas CE storage more often & his unusual Abilities because of copy technique and Even yuta himself kinda implied he is more effective against Maho and Agito it's not sure if he was actually going to fight them on head especially Hakari clearly indicates Gojo was still stronger than both of them(Hakari+Yuta) and Maho & Agito were literally fast and relative enough to keep up with Gojo. Yuta saying he can maho and Agito should considered the fact he has Uros and other copied Abilities which would give enough time for Gojo to finish off Sukuna. What I'm saying is all his statement comes for having abilities instead of strength.
Means nothing. Sukuna's a known player in the CG and Ryu has a higher output
Didn't Gojo one shot Agito
I don't think muscles help that much. Yuji is the only proper superhuman without CE that comes to mind. And it doesn't need to specifically mention Ryu's punches, it states that Ryu is the only Sorcerer who's CE Output is the same regardless of whether he's using his Technique, so his punches and Blasts should have the same output. Also side-note that Ryu's durability is probably lower than his own AP.
Yeah He was man handling it. Beside we all know what would have happened if Yuta intervened. Dude would have become first KitKat victim.
His dura can't be lower than his striking strength so this alone doesn't make sense
How can someone throw a punch without using their muscles and putting force behind it?
He is trying to say Ryu is strongest character in CG and Yuta is equal to him so Hakari should be weaker than him..
Mahito's Polymorphic Soul Isomers have lower durability than striking strength though. It doesn't really make sense from a physics pov but it happens sometimes.
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No. Yuta's hand was carbonized by Granité blast, and Yuta is still weaker than at least 2 other characters.
They use their muscles but the superhuman AP comes from the CE.
Different scenario, they don't use that ridiculous soul explosion energy they use to attack to defend. Ryu uses CE to attack and defend
Sukuna and Kenjaku aren't registered in the CG, as far as the CG is concerned, they're Megumi (formerly Yuji) and Geto
Kenjaku is under Geto’s body.
Not really it's because they had a binding vow kind thing.
Then why bring Ryu as an argument?
Take cricket, for example. If you equate batting and reinforcing CE as the same thing. Force exerted while hitting the ball, it'll yield different results like hitting a 4 or a 6. I hope that makes it easier for you to grasp.
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Why does Kenjaku being in a clan matter here?
Ignore that
What is the difference between those two statements?
Because Yuta was still able to deflect his attacks as was Rika while their hands were burned (Yuta's looked WAY worse tbh, Rika was basically undamaged although it was painful) he didn't lose them or anything, he downscales by a decent margin imo.
I'm so sorry I know literally nothing about Cricket. Muscles are obviously needed to move, but all the superhuman strength comes from CE unless you're Heavenly Restricted or Yuji. Yuta is below average in terms of his strength without CE, but his CE is so great that he still ends up top-tier in power.
Yuta stocks back up...
Why we are changing the topic to Rika vs Yuta now?
It's not cricket punches are literally based on striking Power. Having Superhuman strength doesn't mean anything. punched effects gives different results based on force you put behind it.
With a maximum output blue yes, right after performing a black flash.
Thats a black flash Gojo did which Agito survived and instantly regenerated. Agito also directly damaged Gojo’s body.
Which is still a casual punch from Gojo. Gojo can throw casual blue infused punches like he did against Jogo. Or against his students.
Yes Regenerated sure but the scan I sent was showcasing Gojo ripping Agito body into pieces.
He went there to kill Kenjaku and only stopped because of Sukuna and there is no reasons for him to holding back. Jogo was he wanted to extract information.
I didn't, I just offhandedly mentioned the difference. Both of them deflected the blasts.
You're the one that brought up cricket as a metaphor...
Are you understanding what I'm saying? If Ryu were to punch without CE it'd have the same power as ordinary humans. The superhuman strength comes from CE Output.
Uraume's physicals most definitely don't scale to their Cursed Technique, but I think their Cursed Technique can scale to other Cursed Techniques(?)
Uraume's profile doesn't make it seem that way
"The person with the highest output in history is in that clan"
Again after a black flash which is an increase in strength. This was his second black flash too mind you, also that doesn’t really contradict anything I said either.
There’s literal blood marks flying on the spot that Agito is punching Gojo.
We literally see his head tilt downwards in response to being punched
Yuta can be weaker than Gojo and still be strong enough to damage him. Case in point. Agito is weaker than Gojo and can still damage him. Mahoraga can and has been one shot by Gojo and is still able to damage him, that doesn’t contradict Yuta being able to fight Agito. Yuta being confident in being able to stall both Agito and Mahoraga indicates that he scales, what’s wrong with that.
A Black Flash does not increase your strength
