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Who’s the other third year in Jujutsu High?
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Jujutsu Kaisen: Yuta Okkotsu Revamp
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There’s two statements that put Hakari > Yuta. There’s five statements that out Yuta > Hakari.
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Kirara, but she literally did not exist at that point in time. Hakari, however, did.
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Kirara who was also kicked out if I remember correctly.
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yeah the statement is blatantly about Hakari imo
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Heard that
I disagree with black flash. You can't measure who knows black flash by understanding of CE. Black Flash isn't a CE mastery thing. Also the RCT logic is bad, he did it as a rookie with shit understanding of CE, didn't even know how to reinforce when he did so. PowerToScale is right.
Remove the highest. We don't do that + it's disgusting.
Nothing says he trained enough to warrant a new key. From what we know he's one of the people who's maxed out reinforcement and physical stats like Mei Mei who can't get stronger. Stop giving new keys cause of new arcs.
The third year statement definitely refers to Hakari. Gege didn't even finish planning if he wanted another one till then (said so in the databook), which is why Hakari is given stats but Kirara wasn't, even though both of em weren't shown in the manga.
Yuta can scale above Hakari. Don't let him scale above Jackpot Hakari with that flimsy ass statement until further info is given. You wouldn't scale above higher forms unless it was shown that was the case.
Fix the AP and SS discorrelation, Large Town makes no sense for him.
Specify that he offguarded Kenjaku and remove the single blow shit. Just say he assassinated Kenjaku with an offguard attack.
Add the scans for everything else.
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There are other statements in the profile that put Yuta > JP Hakari.
Will do on the AP & SS.
He didn’t off-guard Kenjaku if he actively reached behind and looked to attack him back, Yuta just moved faster.
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I get that much, but "highest" as a rating just straight up doesn't exist on the wiki. We don't just invent new terminology like that (though I get your rationale)
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Gotcha, will change bossman.
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Appreciated.
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And they all suck.
"Second only to Gojo" doesn't mean "his base stats are superior to Hakari in his domain with the super domain boost"
He doesn't have more CE than Jackpot Hakari. Yuta's CE is seemingly infinite. Hakari's is literally infinite.
Volume of CE is not good for scaling, like I said above. Jackpot Hakari got the highest CE in the verse
We don't know what Todo has seen of Yuta and Hakari, but we know it involves Rika handling everything, so no.
On top of that, half of your statements are comparing Yuta to Gojo
So unless you want to scale Yuta above Gojo, I suggest you remove this
Good and thanks
He prepared an entire attack before Kenjaku noticed he was there.
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Advanced Sorcerer already covers this so should be removed.
@Dr._whiteee thread for Novels being canon got accepted previously if I'm correct. You can use statement from there for any additional abilities. Idk if it mentioned anything about Blackflash though.
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I think volume of CE isn’t an argument to make one stronger than the other, but I think it applies to Yuta.
What matters is output and in that, Ryu is better and should have stronger attacks than Yuta, but not by that much. I don’t know what’s the limit of Hakari’s output, just that he’s > Base Kashimo.
The Gojo argument also doesn’t work because of Six Eyes. Also, @Milly_Rocking_Bandit, are you using my Granite Blast calc? If so, then the CE volume argument matters here.
What matters is output and in that, Ryu is better and should have stronger attacks than Yuta, but not by that much. I don’t know what’s the limit of Hakari’s output, just that he’s > Base Kashimo.
The Gojo argument also doesn’t work because of Six Eyes. Also, @Milly_Rocking_Bandit, are you using my Granite Blast calc? If so, then the CE volume argument matters here.
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I don’t believe second to Gojo refers to a base Yuta, so, no. And considering Hakari in his domain was going relative to Charles, I don’t think the statement refers to Domain Hakari, either.
Okay? We know that pure CE isn’t everything, and the CE portions mentioned isn’t meant to put him above anyone, it’s just there to substantiate his tier. Because what matters more is output, which is why Sukuna & Gojo > Yuta & Hakari.
And?
Refer to my second point.
Actually, no, his sword was swung back, and Kenjaku realized he was there, then he reached back to use Anti-Gravity, then Yuta swings forward, but he’s already behind him.
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By output Yuta was weaker than Ryu you remember
If we go by Output alone Ryu > Jackpot Hakari > Yuta
You can literally put this without Contradicting with Anything.
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Yeah that’s what I said.
The statement was about the highest output in Culling Games, and as far as I know, Hakari still hasn’t shown his Jackpot during that time. Although I might me misremembering.
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There’s no evidence to suggest Hakari has higher output than Yuta.
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What we believe and what we have enough to prove aren't the same. Hakari's Jackpot is his ultimate state. You can't use a vague statement of Yuta being > Hakari as base Yuta being > Hakari's jackpot
The CE volume does nothing for his tier but clog it up.
And if we're talking about output then Hakari bodies.
It means that you can't use statements of Chapter 0 Rika's strength for Culling Games Yuta's capabilities. That statement stretches towards Chapter 0 Yuta, who isn't shown to be physically comparable to Rika, and it's the same Rika who violently stomped people that were comparable to him back then
whatever man
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I agree with this.
As far as I know, Hakari doesn’t have a single statement about his CE output.
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Nice, good finding. Although there’s not a way to compare with anybody else lol.He does actually
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Yuta's output is stated to be not impressive.
Non impressive CE output < passive output good enough to negate special CE ability
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You’re reaching now. Yuta could still match Ryu’s output, described as the highest output in the Culling Games. Hakari’s output is described as high and that’s it.
Your malabarism won’t make Hakari’s output > Yuta’s
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There’s no reason why a statement from the narrator and the fan-poll would purposely exclude JP Hakari from the statement he’s second only to Gojo. Also, I don’t believe I ever asserted Base Yuta > JP Hakari? The statement pretty clearly means to assert Yuta’s full power (meaning Rika, CT’s, and Domain).
Based off of?
Hindsight prolly was Vol 0 Rika. I’ll change it to his first key, then.
Actually, no, this is in references to blasting, and we can prove that, because the narrator outright states that only with Rika can he unleash high-output blasts. Defensively, which is the important part here, Yuta is stated to be surging with CE, to the point where damage is brought to a minimum, just like how an electric shock becomes a tingle to Hakari.
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You mean Rika with her fully charged attack could match Ryu's output? The same Ryu who said that Yuta's output alone isn't all that?
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The narrator says Yuta, not Rika’s attack. Yuta’s attack with Rika.
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Rika is part of his arsenal, one of the reasons Yuta has nigh unlimited CE. If you thought I was talking about base Yuta, no, I was not.
The same Ryu who had his “strongest output in Culling Games” matched.
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There's different translations for that statement about Yuta being second to Gojo. VIZ's says that it's only about unusual abilities, what wouldn't translate to output, so better check the raws
Beside, you can still be the second strongest without being via stats. Yuta has a lot of more Hax than Hakari
Yuta was also never stated to be comparable to Ryu with normal attacks, he is only comparable to him when using the max of his potency along side Rika (Basically twice the normal energy)
Beside, you can still be the second strongest without being via stats. Yuta has a lot of more Hax than Hakari
Yuta was also never stated to be comparable to Ryu with normal attacks, he is only comparable to him when using the max of his potency along side Rika (Basically twice the normal energy)
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So why is your sandbox using it for his base rating?
Current discussion above
Use this if you need a scan
They said that statement before they ever saw Yuta blasting with Rika.
And they say Yuta instead of Rika because Rika is Yuta's CT. They'll say Rika's feats as his own.
All you said is that "Rika is the one who can blast out large amounts of CE like a cannon, something not common", and "Yuta's volume is so big that it it mitigates damage solely from the volume of the CE", nothing about Yuta's output alone
We're talking about base Yuta here.
Jesus nobody is talking about Yuta as a whole. I'm talking about Yuta's regular headbutts being above the level of Hakari being what I disagree with.
Matched for a nanosecond then instantly overpowered*
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I am.
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Also, can we use a 2x multipler for Ryu via this? His blast is way stronger than Yuta (Literally carbonized his hand) and can overpower a energy that comes from the combination of both Rika and Yuta
It wouldnt scale to no one anyway, at best to Rika's durability
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Currently we are going with Character statements right
- Todo kinda implied Base Hakari < Yuta
- Yuta states Jackpot Hakari is stronger than him.
- Later Gege makes the same statement by Yujis POV saying according to yuta Hakari is stronger than him.
- Narratively Gege also stated Hakari getting one hell of an amp and getting super strong in Jackpot mode.
- Kashimo who fought top tier fighters in his Era (same era as Ryu) calls Hakari output as high.
Jackpot Hakari > Yuta ( By Yutas statement)
Yuta > Base Hakari (By Todos statement)
They are relative by Gojos multiple statements.
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It actually would, because “unusual abilities” is clarified upon. In Chapter 200, Kenjaku says those who control CE to display supernatural abilities are called sorcerers.
Unusual abilities = supernatural abilities, and supernatural abilities makes you a sorcerer. So the statement is suggesting he is a sorcerer second to Gojo. Thus, in the modern era, Yuta > every sorcerer not named Gojo.
I don’t understand what you mean, he doesn’t get a separate key when he starts using his other CTs. It just lists physicals.
So why does this matter?
Surging CE is output. You have to actively flare out your CE defensively, see here. What they’re doing there is what Yuta is doing casually, constantly surging CE out.
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Second only in supernatural abilities ≠ the second strongest person to utilize supernatural abilities
Your sandbox lists Yuta then it lists all the highers.
The initial Yuta section is just his physicals and attacks he can muster on his own.
You're using a statement about Rika (which you put for higher) as a statement for Yuta (which is the base rating)
If you want to use the statement, add it for higher
Who told you that? Just having the large amount surging inside of your body does it all.
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Regarding Todos statement I found FTL having different statement. I will look for the raws.
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And why, exactly? If Yuta is stated second strongest in unusual abilities, and unusual abilities makes you a sorcerer, then the logical conclusion follows: Yuta is the second strongest sorcerer.
I’m confused, can you clarify what statement you mean?
You quite literally see the CE out of Yuta & Hakari’s body. Like, you literally can.
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Bump this because I think it make sense
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