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Low 1c Zamasu IS the range upgrade tho. That's the point he gets an increase in range to low 1C and because he's omnipresent in that range, his durability as well goes up, that's it, nothing else
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Infinite Zamasu Low 1-C upgrade
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why durability? Only the range should increase
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Also this isn't the place to debate the Low 1-C hypertimeline shenanigans, that debate has already come and gone. This is to discuss if Zamasu himself was becoming the entire timeline
To which I say: No, he was not. He was only becoming Universe 7, as stated by Gowasu
To which I say: No, he was not. He was only becoming Universe 7, as stated by Gowasu
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Are we seriously arguing about this again? Can we please just move on? Goodness.
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Sorry thought you meant the hyper hyper timelines. Yes the claim is that Zamasu fused with the hypertimeline not just with the 7th Universe's one.There are two types of timelines in DB. It is amusing to think every “timeline” in DB is by default low 1-C but essentially, you are going to convince everyone that we have 7x low 1-C structures in DB.
This is your own drawing. The “U” circle is also a “timeline” in fact, but it is not low 1-C. He got fused with this timeline, and not the one with 12 macrocosms.
This is an accepted tier. How in the world is this a hyper timeline?
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No, this is not what the thread is about.
Not my point. I am arguing here against the entire idea of him fusing with hyper timeline in general. Whether we differ in terms, the outcome of my premise still remains unchanged. I don't see how is he low 1-C existentially.
A space-time continuum is equivalent to timeline. So whether the verse call it a timeline or a universe, the mechanics, the structure of this existence is still tantamount to timeline. So my point stands.
I don't think you guys are noticing that you are unintentionally creating an argument that Zeno destroyed two low 1-C structures, which is never accepted proposal at all.
@Serlock_Holmes No problem, I am here arguing against this argument that Zamasu fused with the hypertimeline not just with the 7th Universe's one.
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Man? What are you talking.
The declaration for Zamasu is for the universe.
We do not treat each universe/macrocosm as a Low 1-C structure, just the overarching timeline.
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That’s what I’m saying
We had literally 4 days to explain this
ANYWAYS
There are three schools of thought here
Range
Range and Dura
Range/Dura/AP
I think majority is in agreement to simply range.
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Yes range makes the most sense.That’s what I’m saying
We had literally 4 days to explain this
ANYWAYS
There are three schools of thought here
Range
Range and Dura
Range/Dura/AP
I think majority is in agreement to simply range.
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What is the argument for low 1-C range, again? Since durability and AP has been rejected by overall consensus of staff members here.
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Maverick and I think DDM agree with Range
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Since he went beyond the future timeline and appeared in another one. The present timeline, low 1-C range
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Because of his omnipresence within what he grows into, low 1c attacks and range is needed to kill him, example, if someone becomes a low 2c universe and is omnipresent, 3a attacks won't kill him
I don't think anyone even argued for AP, the opposite actuallyThat’s what I’m saying
We had literally 4 days to explain this
ANYWAYS
There are three schools of thought here
Range
Range and Dura
Range/Dura/AP
I think majority is in agreement to simply range.
You can't upgrade his range without durability, you can't be a low 1c structure and be killed by a 2c attack
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He crossed into another timeline’s Universe 7
From one Low 1-C to another would equal to that range. Super simple
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How is going to another timeline Low 1-C range? That has nothing to do with the hypertimeline
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I seriously need only one person to reply to me, not three people ganging up against me.
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Did zamasu not appear in another timeline completely?
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present timeline (Low 1-C)
future timeline (Low 1-C)
It has nothing to do with the fact he ended up in another Universe 7
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Me too, it was only declared that he merged with the universe, at least until the moment of his destruction.
Dread, that's simply terms.
Yes, a space-time continuum would be a timeline.
But we don't use the term that way, since the verse doesn't use it that way.
Since the verse calls the hypertimeline a timeline, that's what we call it.
We call the universes universes/macrocosms and the hypertimelines timelines, since that's how it is in verse.
I don't know why you want to complicate the way we use the terms in verse.
Do you still not understand that when we say "Timeline" we are referring to the comprehensive timeline?
We never use "Timeline" for universes/macrocosms.
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And then he kept growing until he grew onto another timeline, which we are explicitly shown, this is pretty simple
When we say timeline, we mean the hypertimeline, future U7 is on one timeline, present U7 is in another timeline entirely
Serlock_Holmes
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Zeno would destroy a single low 1-C structure if you mean that he would be two low 1-C because of killing Zamasu and the timeline, because at that point Zamasu had no form and was basically woven in space time.
Then by all means continue to do so. I had misunderstood you wrongly due to the different terms used. We are all on the same page in the debate. Just on different sides.
Actually I don't feel as strongly for Zamasu one way or another. Won't support all that much that he corrupted the hypertimeline beyond talking about some stuff from the show.
My problem is if range is accepted then dura would be due to how zamasu operates at this point. But this can be tackled up after range is decided in which I can't offer much. The only relevant scans anyways is Whis and Beerus feeling the energy in the main timeline of Zamasu and his face being shown in the Main timeline's sky and his appearance being compared to Black's who actually arrived at the main timeline. That's all I had to say on this.
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So he went from the future hypertimeline to the present hypertimeline?
Low Complex Multiversal range seems fine, but no Low 1-C AP/Durability
Low Complex Multiversal range seems fine, but no Low 1-C AP/Durability
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I don't think it would be right to scale his durability to it, i mean he would have to actually fuse with the hypertimeline to become low 1-C no? But the more i think about it, the more weird it sounds, extending to a 5D construct but not having 5D power.
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My point still stands tho, if his range goes up to low 1c, his durability has to go up too, because he is now effectively fused to a low 1c structure,
If someone fused with a low 2c space time and is omnipresent, how can you kill him without at least low 2c attacks and range?
If someone fused with a low 2c space time and is omnipresent, how can you kill him without at least low 2c attacks and range?
Serlock_Holmes
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I still feel strongly about Dura, because by Zamasu's nature he corrupts stuff at that point. So his corruption having that range would give him that dura due to needing to destroy whatever he infected.
Basically that. He corrupted a 5-D structure and made it part of him however little that part was it was substantial enough to even start moving to another. You would need to destroy that part to kill him. No idea if a small part of a Low 1-C structure counts, but if it does he should get it.
He obviously doesn't get AP. If anything he is shown weaker than before and we aren't shown if the merging process makes him more powerful.
Basically that. He corrupted a 5-D structure and made it part of him however little that part was it was substantial enough to even start moving to another. You would need to destroy that part to kill him. No idea if a small part of a Low 1-C structure counts, but if it does he should get it.
He obviously doesn't get AP. If anything he is shown weaker than before and we aren't shown if the merging process makes him more powerful.
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Ok let’s clarify because there’s a disconnect
We all agree Universe 7 is not the Low 1-C timeline
What is the fact here is that Zamasu through his sheer presence popped into another hyper timeline and ended up in that timeline’s universe 7
If he ended up in the past of the Future Universe 7 (android apocalypse for example) then yes he’s still in one timeline but the fact he entered another timeline’s universe 7 is the point here
We all agree Universe 7 is not the Low 1-C timeline
What is the fact here is that Zamasu through his sheer presence popped into another hyper timeline and ended up in that timeline’s universe 7
If he ended up in the past of the Future Universe 7 (android apocalypse for example) then yes he’s still in one timeline but the fact he entered another timeline’s universe 7 is the point here
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Clover, just so you don't get confused.
Whenever we say "Timeline", we are talking about the hypertimeline.
We never use the term "timeline" to refer to universes/macrocosms.
Because the verse doesn't use it that way, the verse calls it the "Timeline," the all-encompassing timeline that contains a multiverse of 12 macrocosms.
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This needs to be a note
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If this is appropriate interpretation, I disagree.
It is essentially comparing it to infinite. Someone covering from future to present (from A to B = still finite range inside an infinite-sized structure) does not cover the entire range of low 1-C.
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That happens all the time (someone having more range than their AP might suggest)
Serlock_Holmes
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If that stands and he would need to cover the entire area then I'm okay with him not getting it.
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Sounds weird, but if that's how it can work, i'd except that with just range.
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I also need you to understand the ramifications of Low 1-C Infinite Zamasu
Suddenly Jiren and all the ToP god tiers are Low 1-C, which is incredibly unsupported
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Yep, that was my biggest gripe with it, which is why i was initially against it.
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Clover that's not the problem. His Ap of course wouldn't scale. It's the dura that is the problem since Zamasu has that range via extending his very being and making the structure part of himself. We saw he was about to enter the main timeline before he was puffed out of existence.
He would never get low 1-c ap. Nothing supports that. He would be a reverse glass canon. His dura would be much higher than his ap which would be even lower than fused Zamasu's.
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No one is scaling his AP, his AP remains 2c
But if he's has low 1c range, you need that power and range to kill him
Absolutely not, this was the same case when he was tried for immeasurable strength until the standards changes, NOBODY scales to him, aside from Zeno who killed him, his abilities come from his state of being not his ki, UES doesn't work here nobody scales at all
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I’m kinda seeing this too but if we can explain that he’s just low 1-C glass canon then I’m fine with just range otherwise we must include dura……but that seems to be a first for it to not scale to AP in Dragon Ball of all things
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