Testarossa002
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I ain't sure about this one chief.
A casual kick from momoshiki sent Naruto flying a fair distance away.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
A casual kick from momoshiki sent Naruto flying a fair distance away.
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The one in chunin exams? That did zero damage to him.
When the Kages rescued Naruto Momoshiki was getting pressured by Darui and Gaara. Meanwhile his pal Kinshiki who he is relative to gets cooked by Chojuro and Kurotsuchi. All of them got one shotted once Momo fused with Kin. And yet 50% Base Naruto holds up quite well against Fused Momo.
Momoshiki = Kages beside Naruto < 50% Base Naruto < Fused Momo.
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Always remember Kara Arc Naruto>>>Chunin Exams Hokage Naruto
Since in Retsuden him getting cured also doubled his chakra/power due to how the polar particles worked
Since in Retsuden him getting cured also doubled his chakra/power due to how the polar particles worked
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Does the wiki considers retsuden to be canon? I don't remember
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It does
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Sasuke still scales somehow
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Right so maybe this will be Naruto's AP scaling chain.
Hagoromo Moon Calc (78.2 ZT) < 50% Base Naruto (at least as strong as the other Kages and Momoshiki with half his chakra drained) < Base Naruto (156.4 ZT) < SPSM Naruto (at half power he matched Fused Momoshiki who should at least be twice as strong as Momoshiki) (312.8 ZT) < Base Naruto's strongest techniques (at even less than half power his Choodama Rasengan one shotted Fused Momoshiki even with more of his power drained and restricted by Chakra rods) < SPSM Naruto's strongest techniques (should be far stronger than the same techniques in his base form)
Hagoromo Moon Calc (78.2 ZT) < 50% Base Naruto (at least as strong as the other Kages and Momoshiki with half his chakra drained) < Base Naruto (156.4 ZT) < SPSM Naruto (at half power he matched Fused Momoshiki who should at least be twice as strong as Momoshiki) (312.8 ZT) < Base Naruto's strongest techniques (at even less than half power his Choodama Rasengan one shotted Fused Momoshiki even with more of his power drained and restricted by Chakra rods) < SPSM Naruto's strongest techniques (should be far stronger than the same techniques in his base form)
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mind showing me the sauce?
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no prob
So more counters to them not getting weaker as adults since even throughout Boruto itself they are getting stronger lol ( at least before their final battle with isshiki that is )
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Thanks. This is interesting, but is there proof that this increase is permanent?no prob
So more counters to them not getting weaker as adults since even throughout Boruto itself they are getting stronger lol ( at least before their final battle with isshiki that is )
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why the anime or manga dont cover these novels are beyond me.
Like I get they want to focus on the new generation, but they've already covered the Sasuke Retsuden Novel (which was mid), and they did that Mirai Novel (which was also mid).
Why won't they do novels that are actually interesting lol
Like I get they want to focus on the new generation, but they've already covered the Sasuke Retsuden Novel (which was mid), and they did that Mirai Novel (which was also mid).
Why won't they do novels that are actually interesting lol
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And let's not talk about the super MID and unfaithful novel adaptations we got in Shippuden lol. The Itachi novels were buthcered.
Testarossa002
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Why they decided to adapt this alone was confusing.
They could have just spent like 24 episodes to cover all 3 books
Testarossa002
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Sasuke's story also.
Just rushed the whole novel.
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Yup, agreed 100%.
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I dunno, it just sounds to me like this is a cure for the chakra illness and nothing else, but I admittedly haven't read Naruto Retsuden fully yet.It improving chakra flow implies it's a permanent thing
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Sorry had to drive home
As for your question, I mean I see no reason why it wouldn't be permanent
And yeah the scans Minato sparkle sent
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Just reading this scans it just seems more like curing his illness is just a side effect of increasing the chakra flow so i dont understand how you took the onclusion it only cured his illness
MinatoSparkle
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If it improves the flow of his chakra that means the effect stays. There's also nothing about the statements that suggests it's a one time thing. Just the chakra in his body doubles, simple as that.
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It’s why I came to this discussion, we don’t know what the 50% value of Naruto is that Momoshiki absorbed. Since Naruto’s 100% value comes from Fused Momoshiki
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I thought there was a thread that made it uncanon or something? Or was that the anime being uncanoned?
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Shouldn't Chakra have Incorporeality or some type of Abstraction?
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I always saw it as Naruto's power combined and amped with Boruto's wind power and that's how Momo got overpowered, not with just Naruto's rasengan alone but the rasengan being twisted and mixed in with some wind or something.
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I was sure it was his lightning release not "wind power". Anyways that power doesnt make his rasengan more powerful than a normal one actually considering its size is likely much weaker, the reason why his rasengan was important was to make it invisible and so impossible to be absorbed by momoshiki
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So
Base Naruto (C. Exam) (78.2 ZT) < Base Naruto (Kara) (156.4 ZT) = 50% SPSM Naruto (C. Exam) (156.4 ZT) < 100% SPSM Naruto (C. Exam) (312.8 ZT) < 100% SPSM Naruto (Kara) (? 625.6 ZT maybe? Idk)
MinatoSparkle
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Base Naruto scaling to the same value as Fused Momoshiki is wild
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Yeah, but idk how to interpret the polar particle thing for SPSM. Do we multiply the SPSM AP too, or do we do 312.8-78.2 = 234.6, 234.6+156.4 = 391 ZT for the AP?
MinatoSparkle
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I'm fine with Kara Arc SPSM Naruto being twice as strong as before, I don't think Base Momo Arc Naruto is even half as strong as Fused Momoshiki though.
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If we take the 22 god trees thing and the mini calculation i did before, which idk how applicable it is we'd have.
Base Naruto (C. Exam) (105.6 ZT) < Base Naruto (Kara) (211.2 ZT) = 50% SPSM Naruto (C. Exam) (211.2 ZT) < 100% SPSM (C. Exam) (422.4 ZT) < 100% SPSM (Kara) (844.8 ZT or 528 ZT)
For Jigen and Isshiki, this has a weird further scale:
Jigen (fully transformed) would be either:
a) 1876.8 ZT/1173 ZT (Majestic Attire Susanoo is iirc stated to be more than a 1+1 boost, meaning it's a 3x boost. And Fully transformed Isshiki and Jigen are iirc stated to be stronger than anything Naruto and Sasuke can pull off or whatever)
b) 2534.4 ZT/1584 ZT
I didn't put him the same as Fused Momo tho?
I equaled him to Base Momo's value
Testarossa002
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It should be but the wiki doesn't swing that way
Conservativeness and all that
More than 2 can be 2.00001
MinatoSparkle
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We don't have context for that planet or anything going on in there.
We see multiple planets dangerously close to it, and a bunch of God Trees that are just cut down.
It could be entirely possible that Momoshiki would just throw trees he's done with onto that planet.
There's also the fact that Momoshiki and Kinshiki travel in pairs. As do all Otsutsuki, so unless Momoshiki had like a random 20 Otsutsuki die for a single planet, it's not possible.
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That's far too speculative. Showing Multiple Shinju on one planet (Which they were), regardless of state, Is Contradictory and Nonsensical given information we have. It should be ignored due to it's highly inconsistent nature of it, given Amado's statements.
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Yeah lightning mb.
I'm talking about stacking the lightning with Naruto's rasengan that was given to Boruto bruh, not a regular vanishing rasengan. I'm just saying adding any elemental release to any jutsu would obviously make it more powerful or add something to it compared it to having nothing.
MinatoSparkle
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Didn't Momo casually draw blood and it took Naruto 8 pages to recover, at which point Momo casually dodged a similar blindside?
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Can you show me where he drew blood, I don't remember that, I just see Naruto undamaged, Momo has the Byakugan too, so he'd see this coming, it's not a blindsideDidn't Momo casually draw blood and it took Naruto 8 pages to recover, at which point Momo casually dodged a similar blindside?
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