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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
HelloThere1089
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Asura avatar would have an amp at least equal to sage mode. But we don't have a multiplier for sage mode.
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Well the clones fused wth together with added SM so there could be a way though
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Actually makes sense considering Naruto in pain arc give Senjutsu to the main body through clones which allowed Naruto to use the same amount of Rasenshuriken proving its consistent.
The problem of no multiplier still stands
The problem of no multiplier still stands
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Tbh it seems pretty straightforward to me. The 2 clones took same amount of damage from sasuke arrows as the main one naruto. And all 3 got nature energy and fused together. A 3 times power increase to match sasuke seems pretty reasonable considering that sasuke literally just got amp from all 9 tailed beasts. I guess it's left for who would make a crt
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A 3 times multiplier should be ok.
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NAruto scales to Small planet 39.1 zettatons x 3 goes into planet level 117 zettatons higher than the current highest level 78.2 zettatons
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Huh? I thought naruto scales to planet level normally. Why small planet level?
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Dont know, I assumed it was that one
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No cloak SPSM is 39.1 zt. Cloaked is 78.2 zt.
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You know I just realized. Shouldn’t Momoshiki have half of Naruto’s value atop of his own power since he absorbed half his power? We already accept that Naruto was at half power when fighting Fused Momoshiki, the other half didn’t disappear into thing air, it was absorbed by Momoshiki.
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Didn't he turn Naruto's Chakra into Chakra Pills same with how he turned most of Killer B's/Gyuki's Chakra into Chakra Pills before using them all up for that Amped Tailed Beast Bomb he used in the stadium?
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He used the bijuu bomb to catch naruto later he absorbed Naruto's chakra he didnt have NAruto's chakra when he used the bijuu bomb
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Bruh...
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Yeah, him absorbing half of Naruto’s chakra was after Naruto was captured
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And before creating said Bijuu Bomb he ate at least one pill (that came from B/Gyuki), made the bomb, and infused it with the jutsu he absorbed from the Ninja Tool
Now when did I say Momo used Naruto's Chakra during the stadium attack huh?
Where does it say here:
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We didnt saw Momoshiki create a pill out of Naruto's chakra, neither would it make sense that he "died" with a pill from Naruto still in his pocket.
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Yeah, my only guess would be that the chakra is included with the fruit of Kinshiki, or the pills he took before his clash with Boruto and Naruto’s Rasengan (which is even worse since that would mean that Base Naruto on half chakra killed Momoshiki)
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Naruto's chakra was probably used to create the chakra pills he consumed at the end during the final Rasengan Clash. It'd mean that injured base Naruto, whose chakra and movements are inhibited by Rinnegan rods, is capable of creating a Rasengan that can one shot a Fused Momoshiki who's amped by Naruto's own chakra, which is absolutely WILD.
I guess it just goes to show that Naruto and Sasuke weren't really at their best during the Momo fight. It also clearly demonstrates that the Chō Odama Rasengan is a massive AP buff, since we have other impressive showings such as it forcing Madara to use his Susano'o or Naruto one-shotting Delta.
I guess it just goes to show that Naruto and Sasuke weren't really at their best during the Momo fight. It also clearly demonstrates that the Chō Odama Rasengan is a massive AP buff, since we have other impressive showings such as it forcing Madara to use his Susano'o or Naruto one-shotting Delta.
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Manga = Creates 3 Chakra Pills from Gyuki/B
Anime = Creates 3 Chakra Pills from Gyuki/B
Manga = Eats 3 Pills from Gyuki/B
Anime = Eats at least 1 Chakra Pill from Gyuki/B
Manga = Not shown
Anime = Seemingly creates 3 Chakra Pills from Naruto, before continuing to absorb more Chakra from Naruto.
Manga = Eats 4 Chakra Pills
Anime = Eats 4 Chakra Pills
In the Manga, Momo eats all the Chakra Pills (3 Pills) he created from Gyuki/B's Chakra during the stadium attack, and created more from Naruto's Chakra (4 Pills) for the final clash.
In the Anime, Momo seems to eat only one pill from the three pills he created from Gyuki/B's Chakra. (3 - 1 = 2 Pills)
Then after capturing Naruto, he seems to have created a total of two more pills from Naruto's Chakra to have a total of four in the final clash. (2 + 2 = 4 Pills)
You do realize that Momo ate all the remaining Chakra Pills after he got pissed off by Boruto hitting him with a Vanishing Rasengan
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There is nothing that actually tells us that those 3 pills are from Naruto's chakra, when he shows those 3 pills he states "Before i came here, I absorbed multiple jutsus" and then proceded to open his hand with those pills and said he would adquire all the power that took ninjas years of trainning by simple eating the pills and he also states that by eating those pills he would get a power far superior to Naruto.Manga = Creates 3 Chakra Pills from Gyuki/B
Anime = Creates 3 Chakra Pills from Gyuki/B
Manga = Eats 3 Pills from Gyuki/B
Anime = Eats at least 1 Chakra Pill from Gyuki/B
Manga = Not shown
Anime = Seemingly creates 3 Chakra Pills from Naruto, before continuing to absorb more Chakra from Naruto.
Manga = Eats 4 Chakra Pills
Anime = Eats 4 Chakra Pills
In the Manga, Momo eats all the Chakra Pills (3 Pills) he created from Gyuki/B's Chakra during the stadium attack, and created more from Naruto's Chakra (4 Pills) for the final clash.
In the Anime, Momo seems to eat only one pill from the three pills he created from Gyuki/B's Chakra. (3 - 1 = 2 Pills)
Then after capturing Naruto, he seems to have created a total of two more pills from Naruto's Chakra to have a total of four in the final clash. (2 + 2 = 4 Pills)
You do realize that Momo ate all the remaining Chakra Pills after he got pissed off by Boruto hitting him with a Vanishing Rasengan
There is no reason to believe those pills are naruto's power
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Absorbed techniques don't turn into chakra pills, they're stored and then used later with their power amplified (and at least in the manga, he can only use those techniques once). Chakra pills seem to be only produced out of raw chakra, so I think those last few pills could've only been procured from Naruto's chakra.
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Yet that was what he said, and he only made a bijuu dama because he ate Bee's chakra fruit despite not having any bijuu dama stored since the one he absorbed from bee he sent it back to bee. ITs obvious that eating the chakra fruit allows them to use the jutsu contained in whatever he absorbed it from, so technically yes he can store jutsu in chakra pills.
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No mate, the chakra pill's purpose was to amp himself, which is why the Biju Dama was amplified dramatically in size and power (to the point of being able to knock out Naruto), when the standard amp for an absorbed and reflected technique is around 2x iirc.
Although I will grant you that it's possible you're right about the pills granting Jutsu if they behave like chakra fruits, since Momo gained Kinshiki's abilities by eating his chakra fruit.
Well, either way this doesn't change much since in both cases, Momo only has access to Naruto's power after eating the pills.
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nUh Uh! mOomoO ObvIoUs absOrb nArdO chAkrA intO hIm bOdy
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The full dialogue instead of your butchered version:
The jutsu he was referring to were obviously the ones he absorbed from Killer B and Boruto's Ninja Tool and Momo wasn't saying that the pills he currently had with him were created from the jutsu he had absorbed.
He was gloating and explaining that by using Chakra Pills in general they were able to gain power and use whatever jutsu without undergoing any training.
Also, the pills he created from B/Gyuki were used to create the Divine Tree that they bound Naruto with.
So those Chakra Pills were obviously from Naruto since he initially showed only three to Naruto then in the final clash he showed and ate four Chakra Pills and was now capable of using his own Rasengan
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He even planned to use Naruto to bring a new divine tree its more likely that he was gonna sacrifice whatever chakra he absorbed to the tree
Thats pretty much what i said but mine its a translation i made based on the subtitles of another language. Regardless there is nothing there that helps you.
As far as we know he could have absorbed more since we dont even saw Hinata fight them so we clearly dont have the full picture. And seems meaningless to mention jutsus he already "wasted" while showing pills in his hand
I pretty much talked about it.
He used them to make the bijuu dama
That wasnt rasengan. Momoshiki only learned rasengan because of being in Boruto's body
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Yeah people don't talk about the fact that Momo is an addict enoughY'all got anymore of them Rinne-Crack?
, I guess all Otsutsuki are in a sense. Kaguya's withdrawal literally turned her paranoid and insane, canonically.
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So what are you guys more in line of, Momoshiki consuming Naruto's chakra before he fought Six Paths Naruto and Sasuke, or when we see him consume pills before the Rasengan clash
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Bruh...
He was generalizing the functions of the Chakra Pills, and their ability to bypass training for any Jutsu
When Momo's talking about the Jutsu or Jutsu in general: Talks about the length of time needed in mastering them
When Momo's talking about the Chakra Pills: Talks about how they grant power/Jutsu effortlessly
He's doing a comparison between the Ninja method and Otsutsuki method of gaining power and more abilities
In this part, Momo isn't talking about the Jutsu he absorbed nor is he talking about Naruto specifically.
He's asking about how long it takes Ninja to master Jutsu in general because he's doing a comparison
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Why not just make a CRT with Suigetsu since both of you seem convinced enough by your notion
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Sincerely i dont think any of what we discussing really matters, either way it wont really change the amplification of power.
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So it's like Momoshiki < 50% Base Naruto < Fused Momoshiki = 50% SPSM Naruto =< Even less than 50% Base Naruto's Choodama Rasengan (one shot Fused Momoshiki)
Base Naruto < Delta <= SPSM Naruto <<< SPSM Naruto's Choodama Rasengan (one shotted Delta with it even with a massive amount of its Chakra absorbed)
Base Naruto < Delta <= SPSM Naruto <<< SPSM Naruto's Choodama Rasengan (one shotted Delta with it even with a massive amount of its Chakra absorbed)
