BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Arc7Kuroi]

I’m just gonna ask for the Gremmy Galaxy thing to be thread banned if mrks gonna act up, ik a lot of staff who would like that

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

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Does anyone know the reason why the gremmy galaxy feat is an outlier? He could theoretically replicate it at anytime, he just cant considering:

1. He had no reason to use it again, as kenpachi broke out of it
2. All of his other attacks could have a similar ap, which would make sense
3. he's ******* dead lmao

Wait until the anime. Until then, that shit is against rules.

It's less than a month until then, anyways. Just let Arc cook.

 

[YukaSama4]

Pretty sure it will be covered in the next part of the anime so wait for a few months

 

[Purgy]

The anime won't change anything as Gremmy's feat was already agreed to be legitimate, it's just an outlier.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

The anime won't change anything as Gremmy's feat was already agreed to be legitimate, it's just an outlier.

even offsite tbh, it's really hard to justify gremmy tiers being ****** galaxy level if characters before that were only like, what, planetary at best? it's really weird cause the gap between a regular human and current bleach high tiers is as big as the gap between them and galaxy level. For a non-god tier like kenpachi at that point, it's just weird

 

[AKUTO123]

I want to be honest to say contrary to this is definitely some kind of ignorance in my opinion the character that makes success has the ability to warp reality to their will and that ability literally comes from the man who created the universes. It's funny that it's an outlier for a man playing reality to create a galaxy, because in fact characters that are referred to as being stronger than gremmy on a normal basis don't have rw ability (apart from yhwach), and it shouldn't really matter if their success is smaller. This achievement was made by Reio's brain, not by Hanataro or Ganju.

 

[AKUTO123]

In summary now we are don't accept reio can create a Galaxy with him realty warping

 

[YukaSama4]

It's not proven/directly stated that Gremmy was Reio's brain even in CFYOW, but well even if he was, that isn't a good argument you can't say that since he is Reio's brain, Reio could create a galaxy, so Gremmy can.

 

[Blallooo]

Do people really believe this shit ? That Barragan solos the sternritters, Hallibel defeating any non elites and Stark beating Pernida...

 

[skippy]

Re reading tybw made me believe Candice is the weakest bambi or atleast the newest sternritter.

 

[Naeblis495]

Candice was dodging and cooking a weakened Zaraki. Sure he was a beat up a bit, but it's still Zaraki, we know that even on death door, he is still a menace to society.

Stat wise, i'd say Giselle is the weakest as i don't remember her having any kind of notorious feat.

 

[SilentBob34]

Re reading tybw made me believe Candice is the weakest bambi or atleast the newest sternritter.

Naw, Kubo is just inconsistent with his portrayals about the 4.

 

[Blallooo]

Candice was dodging and cooking a weakened Zaraki. Sure he was a beat up a bit, but it's still Zaraki, we know that even on death door, he is still a menace to society.

Stat wise, i'd say Giselle is the weakest as i don't remember her having any kind of notorious feat.

Also she survived true shikai ichigo's getsuga jujishou

 

[Purgy]

Do people really believe this shit ? That Barragan solos the sternritters, Hallibel defeating any non elites and Stark beating Pernida...

To be honest, this isn't that far fetched if you use the whole "Barragan >> Grimmjow" thing from CFYOW and wank Respira to no limits.

Not that I agree with it at all, but it's definitely an argument that can be made.

 

[YukaSama4]

Not to mention that if you argue Shunsui didn't get stronger then you will definitely have a good argument because Kubo said Shunsui had to use his shikai to its fullest potency to be able to beat Stark

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Giselle and Liltotto are stated to be the strongest of the Femritter

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Not to mention that if you argue Shunsui didn't get stronger then you will definitely have a good argument because Kubo said Shunsui had to use his shikai to its fullest potency to be able to beat Stark

Knowing Shunsui character I can't imagine him training & getting stronger. Beside there is no indication. Though Lille & other elites still Outhaxes Stark.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Is there any evidence Shunsui stayed the same level of strength?

 

[Myxenete]

Is there any evidence Shunsui stayed the same level of strength?

The most common aguement for, that I've seen anyway, is that O-Hana mentions she hasn't seen him in a long time

 

[YukaSama4]

Is there any evidence Shunsui stayed the same level of strength?

I think his Zanpakuto said that he plays with her once in a while meaning he doesn't do some spiritual training

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

The most common aguement for, that I've seen anyway, is that O-Hana mentions she hasn't seen him in a long time

That means he hasn’t used his Bankai in a while.

I think his Zanpakuto said that he plays with her once in a while meaning he doesn't do some spiritual training

That just means he doesn’t go into his mental world frequently.

 

[Blallooo]

To be honest, this isn't that far fetched if you use the whole "Barragan >> Grimmjow" thing from CFYOW and wank Respira to no limits.

Not that I agree with it at all, but it's definitely an argument that can be made.

Novels are litterally books, they're full of informations, lore dumps and dialogue heavy so it's far easier to create inconsistencies ans that Grimmjow statement is legit peak Narita inconsistency. Like for one bogus statement like this you can use any ramdom scaling to disprove It.
Novels statements that are so inconsistent should be take with a a ton of salt
If we take them litterally it's pointless to even debate because any statement can be proven wrong by other 10

 

[Blallooo]

Not to mention that if you argue Shunsui didn't get stronger then you will definitely have a good argument because Kubo said Shunsui had to use his shikai to its fullest potency to be able to beat Stark

He also said they (he) can't defeat Robert without Bankai and Robert entire career was getting soloed by Shikai Byakuya in 1v3 ,Shikai Shunsui is just not that strong. Besides matchup exist, Shunsui and his games hard counters Lille who's a long range fighter who can attack in only one single direction with a small range. Had he fought Askin he would be negged by gift bed or Askin would insta adapt to his reiatsu, if he fought Pernida he'd die instantly and so on. Like Starrk being stronger than so many sternritters is simply contraddicted by him needing full power to barely knock out for a bit love and rose while non elites decimate the same captains (remind that Bambi >>>>>>> Shinji and Sajin and Mask >>>>> rose and Kensei)

 

[Purgy]

Novels are litterally books, they're full of informations, lore dumps and dialogue heavy so it's far easier to create inconsistencies ans that Grimmjow statement is legit peak Narita inconsistency. Like for one bogus statement like this you can use any ramdom scaling to disprove It.
Novels statements that are so inconsistent should be take with a a ton of salt
If we take them litterally it's pointless to even debate because any statement can be proven wrong by other 10

I never said I agree with it...I said I can understand why someone might agree with it.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Baraggan's Respira being > CFYOW Grimmjow isn't even inconsistent. The only characters that are stated to be beyond Respira, are end of SAFWY Zaraki, and by extension those stronger than him, of which CFYOW Grimmjow isn't included.

 

[Blallooo]

Baraggan's Respira being > CFYOW Grimmjow isn't even inconsistent. The only characters that are stated to be beyond Respira, are end of SAFWY Zaraki, and by extension those stronger than him, of which CFYOW Grimmjow isn't included.

Yeah but ikomikidomoe implies that Barragan before becoming an arrancar was was much stronger than Grimmjow and that sounds very weird. Both because the same ikomikidomoe was punked by the same Grimmjow along NaNaNa and Luppi and both because It doesn't make sense for barraga to be this strong without respiria and the natural boost when he became an arrancar

 

[zylieo]

Yeah but ikomikidomoe implies that Barragan before becoming an arrancar was was much stronger than Grimmjow and that sounds very weird. Both because the same ikomikidomoe was punked by the same Grimmjow along NaNaNa and Luppi and both because It doesn't make sense for barraga to be this strong without respiria and the natural boost when he became an arrancar

Deadass in the BBS game Ikomikidomoe is obviously referring to a level of power. I don’t know what you’re waffling about.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yeah but ikomikidomoe implies that Barragan before becoming an arrancar was was much stronger than Grimmjow and that sounds very weird. Both because the same ikomikidomoe was punked by the same Grimmjow along NaNaNa and Luppi and both because It doesn't make sense for barraga to be this strong without respiria and the natural boost when he became an arrancar

No he doesn't. In fact CFYOW says that Baraggan had naturally evolved into an Arrancar. And it states that Iko stalemated Baraggan's Respira. So when Iko talks about his fights with Baraggan, he's talking about Respira, since that's what gave him a good fight.

Baraggan doesn't use his statistics to fight anyway, he only uses his giga hax Respira. Y'all need to stop reading like this is dragonball and realize that not everything is about your literal power level.

 

[KingogKings777]

No he doesn't. In fact CFYOW says that Baraggan had naturally evolved into an Arrancar. And it states that Iko stalemated Baraggan's Respira. So when Iko talks about his fights with Baraggan, he's talking about Respira, since that's what gave him a good fight.

Baraggan doesn't use his statistics to fight anyway, he only uses his giga hax Respira. Y'all need to stop reading like this is dragonball and realize that not everything is about your literal power level.

I blame Kenpachi vs Ichigo.

 

[zylieo]

Matter of fact, It seems like Ikomikidomoe wants to emphasize that he is not just an ordinary “Hollow” and believes him and Barragan possess the abilities that set him apart and make him more unique than what Grimmjow perceives him as

 

[Ped2018]

No he doesn't. In fact CFYOW says that Baraggan had naturally evolved into an Arrancar. And it states that Iko stalemated Baraggan's Respira. So when Iko talks about his fights with Baraggan, he's talking about Respira, since that's what gave him a good fight.

Baraggan doesn't use his statistics to fight anyway, he only uses his giga hax Respira. Y'all need to stop reading like this is dragonball and realize that not everything is about your literal power level.

But if we take this statement as referring to his literal power level, how much of a problem that would be for scaling?

 

[Reio35]

No he doesn't. In fact CFYOW says that Baraggan had naturally evolved into an Arrancar. And it states that Iko stalemated Baraggan's Respira. So when Iko talks about his fights with Baraggan, he's talking about Respira, since that's what gave him a good fight.

Baraggan doesn't use his statistics to fight anyway, he only uses his giga hax Respira. Y'all need to stop reading like this is dragonball and realize that not everything is about your literal power level.

Barrgan stated aizen gave him more power. I do believe he was an arrancar before meeting aizen Because his appearance is still the same post aizen amping him. The novels directly stated ikomodomei has power relative to barrgan

 

[Reio35]

Crazy how mf accept a amp ginjo being on ichigos level but not barrgan being ikomodomei level

 

[YukaSama4]

Ngl I don't accept both

 

[Ped2018]

Crazy how mf accept a amp ginjo being on ichigos level but not barrgan being ikomodomei level

One doesn't condratic anything in the story, the other is gonna create scaling problems beyond belief AND has an explanation for why Baraggan is hyped up (Respirra)

 

[Ped2018]

Ngl I don't accept both

Ginjo has always been that guy, cope

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

But if we take this statement as referring to his literal power level, how much of a problem that would be for scaling?

It's blatantly contradicted

Barrgan stated aizen gave him more power. I do believe he was an arrancar before meeting aizen Because his appearance is still the same post aizen amping him. The novels directly stated ikomodomei has power relative to barrgan

Crazy how characters also get weaker if they don't train or do anything for 100s of years as implied with Baraggan. Either way, if you think Espada Respira > past Respira, it doesn't change anything of what I said.

Crazy how mf accept a amp ginjo being on ichigos level but not barrgan being ikomodomei level

Reio has been addicted to copium for over a year ever since I upgraded Ginjo, it's actually sad and pathetic.

 

[KingogKings777]

Reio has been addicted to copium for over a year ever since I upgraded Ginjo, it's actually sad and pathetic.

Ginjo's upgrade isn't even a big deal never got the fuss over it since it required him to get emotion amp to produce 1 attack equal to Ichigo's attack.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Ngl I don't accept both

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Deadass in the BBS game Ikomikidomoe is obviously referring to a level of power. I don’t know what you’re waffling about.

Btw I really don't see big Contradiction in scaling Barragan above CFYOW Grimmjow. Like only thing that scales to Barragan is Soi fon Bankai which has no anti feats. Screw other characters chain scaling. Going by how Barragan defeated. He doesn't have any anti feats

Also Iko was talking SP in one scenario. I do think Barragan is stronger than CFYOW Grimmjow. Well I won't push that shit in wiki anyway.

Ginjo's upgrade isn't even a big deal never got the fuss over it since it required him to get emotion amp to produce 1 attack equal to Ichigo's attack.

We can just apply that to Stark who was emotionally down and scale Stark > Barragan > CFYOW Grimmjow