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oh is two not sufficient enough? also LordGriff is in favor of the DR being dropped
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Dragon Ball universal space time number downgrade
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This is a major thread changing the ap of all the chars in super and gt, 2 is not enough
Plus we would need evaluation on all of the proposals to conclude this properly, if 3 staffs agree on the hell proposal for example, we would still need evaluation for the other proposals as well, you get what i mean?
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DDM disagreed with Hell and Kaioshin Realm but hasn’t given a proper response to DOSSL and Demon Realm iirc though I think demon realm is self explanatory on why it should be removed
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he did, he said that he agree on 3 space times
he used hell as if it wasn't another space time, hence why he still said only 3 space times, ask his for clarification if you want, i will not listen to people talking for an admin instead of asking said admin for clarification himself
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@DarkDragonMedeus Sorry to tag you but we're a bit confused on what your stance is on which locations are to be removed from Universe 7's cosmology as separate universe-sized space-times. What's your verdict?
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Also from the first page alone, he said 3 space-times is the minimum and was arguing in favor of Hell staying at the very least
So aren't you also speaking for an admin to achieve a desired result?
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exactly, he said 3 timelines should be the given minimum, he never told us what he agreed on removing, he should be removed
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"Living Universe is still considerably multitudes above baseline 3-A, taking that into consideration, Kaioshin Realm could still meet that 3-A size marking. Hell is actually larger than Heaven and it's like bigger than the Living Universe by a large margin; it is what takes up most of Otherworld's space. But I don't know full context on other details but as others said, 3 timelines sounds like a given minimum."
he also said that hell is in the same physical space as the afterlife, so that wouldn't count as another space time based on what he said, i would much prefer if we stop discussing about what he said and just call him here
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About DOSSL I already refuted Omega and DDM agreed with me on another topic of being low 2-C or 2-C (besides agreeing that it should be a low dimension 2-C or if not 2-C according to him)
But let's wait for the answer, I would really like him to talk about it.
But let's wait for the answer, I would really like him to talk about it.
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But as we said, we don't have a concrete answer, so he should just be taken down for the time being until he responds.
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Sure I’m fine with asking clarification it makes things simpler but so far from what I’m gathering hes saying Hell should be Universe sized but since Clover pinged him it would be best to let him clarify
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and i showed counter points
in another thread, which this thread is presenting counter points to and he has not comment on them if he still agrees or not, whatever he agreed in the other thread matters not to this one
i will not take down, i will put him at neutral tho, but he is not disagreeing with the thread at all tho
and also saying that it is in the same physical space as the afterlife, which as said many times here would make hell not a different space time
of course, thank you for being the one person to understand
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I wasn't getting notifications and I forgot who I pretty much agreed with later down the line. But vaguely recall at least 3 Low 2-C structures per each of the universes being a minimum given the Other World and Demon World stuff.
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And about the dimension of the swirling lights that you agreed with me in another thread and even in the question? Hell was also discussed here and it is based on being a space-time / of Universal size (because of a Big Bang explosion that happened during the movie and even in the databook mentions this)
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Essentially we have the Living World, Otherworld, Kaioshin Realm, Hell, Dimension of Strange Swirling Lights, Demon Realm, and Grand Kai World as candidates for separate space-times
Which of these do you believe are separate space-times within Universe 7?
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I thought Hell was part of Other World, though I know Demon Realm is separate though. I think I was neutral about Strange Swirling Lights or Kaioshin Realm. But Grand Kai's planet, isn't that also part of Other World in Toei Continuity?
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Novel DBS Brolly
With that momentum, space-time distorts, and the two of them are fighting within a cracked dimensional wall, colliding with even greater intensity. It's a collision of unprecedented power against power.
So we did things like making magma squirt due to the ferocity of their fight, and also having them end up in another dimension at one point.
In addition to the fights, many novelties appeared in the film, such as voices in the background narrating the clashes, applause from the spectators and a world almost from another dimension.
Official Dragon Ball article where it says the CG about them making a different three dimensional place trying to capture something that is a different dimension or something super dimensional. A battle in a different dimension and calling the place superdimensional. Is referring to dimension in the form of mathematics
I want you to do something new that takes advantage of the characteristics of CG.'' It's going to be a technical story, but there is software called "Unity" that is good at constantly moving things around with lots of real-time information. It's software often used in games, but this time we're using it to battle in a place that doesn't actually exist, like a different dimension. Yokoo: If you give the software information about what kind of atmosphere it should have, it will create a CG world that makes you think, "How about something like this?" Seeing this, we were also surprised: "Wow, it will be like this!" Different dimensions are expressed in mathematical formulas and converted into 3D. The techniques I used in other works were developed in this work, but not yet
Being referred to as a superdimensional being according to the film's directors, confirmed by the anime comics, according to this information it appears to be a 4D structure
That's pretty much all I have about the swirling light dimension, the directors of DB call it superdimensional and refer to it in mathematical form.
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What do you think, Clover?
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My stance is still that the Demon Realm is the only one that should be removed
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At least as far as Hell goes, it appears to be very much separate, as in the DBZ anime and in GT, it's shown as only being accessible via a portal, rather than being able to be physically traveled to.
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The Cosmology is the same continuity wide
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I agree with that too.
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The consensus for the most part is that the Kaioshin and Grand Kai Realms are Low 2-C officially and then you have the Living Realm and the After Life (which is massive compared to the rest.) Hell is shown in GT and the Anime to have dimensional barriers and is the entire bottom of the After life separated by the dimensional cloud layer on top shown in the Daizenshuu and in the Anime and DBS Manga. DOSSL is shown to be a Super Dimension according to the scans Luffy sent and the previous thread. So at this point Demon Realm is the only one that doesn't have evidence of being Universal in size or a separate dimension.
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the demon realm is pretty much stated to not be universal in size
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Grand Kai's planet, is above the other world, it is connected with another world, but it is only reachable by plane, to get out of it is different, Goku was able to go to hell from there.
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again, if you are saying it is physically in the afterlife to be the bottom of it, then you are saying that it isn't another space time since it would be physically conected to the afterlife
i still don't see how super dimensional proves anything but dimensionality for it
the planet is not the other universal space time, the dimension where he took goku and co is
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Just to say, the arguments for all these dimensions have counter arguments in the op, counter arguments that were not completely covered by the oposition, just making this clear
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I think the idea's moreso that the Afterlife in itself is comprised of multiple dimensions instead of Hell not being a part of the Afterlife altogether. It's counterpart, the Living World, already is too, being comprised of multiple dimensions (the universe and demon realm).
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yeah, but they wouldn't be physically conected in any way for hell to be the "all the lower portion" of the afterlife, since it is another space time, it simply can't have any physical connections like that
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I think we need a blog about all the dimensions and what part they play, so we don't have more problems and explain how each one works
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True, tho idt it really matters, the Daizenshuu already confirms that it's one of the major thirds the Afterlife's split into
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the part that is talking about the separation is not talking about size at all, but simply the separation of what each area of the afterlife is, unless you want to say the emma's palace is 1 third of the afterlife as well
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Only Emma's table is the size of a solar system, confirmed in the databook, but can you imagine the size of her castle?
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Emma's table?
is goku bigger than a planet in size now?
also font for such a statement?
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Let me find it here, Goku is not the size of a planet, don't cause unnecessary bait.Emma's table?
is goku bigger than a planet in size now?
also font for such a statement?
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What bait? if emma's table is the size of a solar system, then goku is bigger than a planet via pixel scale with it, the series contradicts this notion completely by the very first scene we have of the table
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I think the only thing left in contention is hell at this point?
anyways for anyone coming in
Living Realm, Kaioshin Realm, Grand Kaio Planet, and the Afterlife (containing Heaven)
are all the accepted Universes in DB regardless of this what happens with this thread so Dragon Ball is either:
4 Universes (What the OP is arguing)
5 Universes (Adding the DOSSL or Hell)
6 Universes (Adding both the DOSSL and Hell) which is the major consensus
with Staff Approval from Lord Griff
We all officially concluded that the Demon Realm doesn't have any sufficient evidence of being a Low 2-C dimension in Dragon Ball so we canned it.
anyways for anyone coming in
Living Realm, Kaioshin Realm, Grand Kaio Planet, and the Afterlife (containing Heaven)
are all the accepted Universes in DB regardless of this what happens with this thread so Dragon Ball is either:
4 Universes (What the OP is arguing)
5 Universes (Adding the DOSSL or Hell)
6 Universes (Adding both the DOSSL and Hell) which is the major consensus
with Staff Approval from Lord Griff
We all officially concluded that the Demon Realm doesn't have any sufficient evidence of being a Low 2-C dimension in Dragon Ball so we canned it.
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