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Dragon Ball universal space time number downgrade

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CraigTucker said:
I believe we already explain this point, Omega already agreed with hell having some sort of portal and it's serperate. Kind of late
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Yeah, i never disagreed in the first place, i am just saying in virtue of hell being a separated space time, we cannot use the cloud layer to determine its size since it isn't "bellow" that in a physical sense
 
As you can see, all that cloud is a kind of dimensional barrier separating hell and the world of the living (so they can't unite)
 
omegabronic said:
Yeah, i never disagreed in the first place, i am just saying in virtue of hell being a separated space time, we cannot use the cloud layer to determine its size since it isn't "bellow" that in a physical sense
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Tbh the cloud acts as barrier or portals to enter those realms. It's also worth mention that you need to go on different level of planes to enter those realms
 
omegabronic said:
Yeah, i never disagreed in the first place, i am just saying in virtue of hell being a separated space time, we cannot use the cloud layer to determine its size since it isn't "bellow" that in a physical sense
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Clouds are dimensional barriers separating another world from hell, and that same cloud separates the living Universe from uniting with the world of the living.
 
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CraigTucker said:
Tbh the cloud acts as barrier or portals to enter those realms. It's also worth mention that you need to go on different level of planes to enter those realms
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Yeah, but in virtue of it being a separated space time, you can't really say that hell is literally "bellow" that layer of clouds, hell is another space time yes, but the question here is for its size
 
omegabronic said:
Yeah, but in virtue of it being a separated space time, you can't really say that hell is literally "bellow" that layer of clouds, hell is another space time yes, but the question here is for its size
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I could make the argumentation that hell is bigger than Heaven(Which heaven is the size of the living world)
 
omegabronic said:
Yeah, but in virtue of it being a separated space time, you can't really say that hell is literally "bellow" that layer of clouds, hell is another space time yes, but the question here is for its size
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I think problem about hell is solved, soon it will be the size of the Universe, if not bigger with the calculation.

I think it should be taken out of the Op, along with the dimension of the swirling lights that are low 2-C spacetime.
 
CraigTucker said:
I could make the argumentation that hell is bigger than Heaven(Which heaven is the size of the living world)
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Then by all means bring it

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
I think problem about hell is solved
soon it will be the size of the Universe, if not bigger with the calculation.
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The calculation of the afterlife will change nothing on hell since hell is not in the afterlife, since it is another space time

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
I think it should be taken out of the Op, along with the dimension of the swirling lights that are low 2-C spacetime.
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These still have the problem of not being proven to be universal in size, so not for now, let us wait to see what other staff agrees

CraigTucker said:
Which other realms he disagreed?
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To clarify, i still do not agree with it being low 2-C

I now edited the op to reflect the new arguments
 
Anyways finish reading Omgea proposal. Honestly put me in a disagreement towards every realm except kaioshen realm since that realm only has statements of seperate spacetime and only have stars in it. Just a pocket dimension tbh
 
CraigTucker said:
Which other realms he disagreed?
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He disagrees with the demonic realm and the dimension of the lights, I already explained to him the reason for being low 2-C and including the Medeus already commented on this, that the dimension of the swirling lights qualifies.

The demon realms are the reverse side of the universe, per the description only this is accepted to be a low 2-C size according to vsbttles standards, according to Hermes in his translation ( the demon world is an alternate dimension), but she's in the Universe, Omega forgot to read the databook that explains why the demon realms qualify for that, but I don't care anyway taken from it, although the work shows it contrary to the Op, meaning it is another spacetime of size low 2-C
 
omegabronic said:
Then by all means bring it


The calculation of the afterlife will change nothing on hell since hell is not in the afterlife, since it is another space time


These still have the problem of not being proven to be universal in size, so not for now, let us wait to see what other staff agrees


To clarify, i still do not agree with it being low 2-C

I now edited the op to reflect the new arguments
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You are very difficult to debate, I already proved you to the contrary that he qualifies for tier 2, you still have it, I give up having a healthy debate with you.
 
CraigTucker said:
Anyways finish reading Omgea proposal. Honestly put me in a disagreement towards every realm except kaioshen realm since that realm only has statements of seperate spacetime and only have stars in it. Just a pocket dimension tbh
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The demon realm also has statements for it to be very small tho, by in any case, counted

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
You are very difficult to debate, I already proved you to the contrary that he qualifies for tier 2, you still have it, I give up having a healthy debate with you.
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And i showed counter arguments for it, just because you showed your evidence doesn't mean that it is infalible or that everyone should automaticaly believe it without questioning, but you do you
 
omegabronic said:
American tableboarding rpg game, this was brought before and was already removed from the verse page a long time ago, that is not reliable canon at all
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Even then, the fact hell is shown on the map to be wider than heaven prove its bigger in sense and it spans across the entire circumference of the Macrosom
 
CraigTucker said:
Even then, the fact hell is shown on the map to be wider than heaven prove its bigger in sense and it spans across the entire circumference of the Macrosom
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The map was decided to not be in scale in size here, however it appears in the map is not relevant since the map's scale completely contradicts the serie's
 
At this point we all universally agree with the Demon Realm being removed from the U7 Cosmo count since not enough supports it and OP brought up fair points. I think as a safe compromise we scale the U7 Cosmos to 5 Universes with SSJ Gogeta and SSJ Broly hitting the 5 and all under them being 4 Universes

Hell is pretty much confirmed Universal and is separated by the barriers represented in Toei and GT (Also Goku had to be taken there in Super so there's that) so it's fine and the Kaioshin realm literally only requires the Afterlife to be 10x the Living Realm for it to go through which is kinda a no brainer we just want to know how much bigger is the afterlife since its finite now for speed and power scaling up 3-As and MFTLs
 
AwkguyDB said:
At this point we all universally agree with the Demon Realm being removed from the U7 Cosmo count since not enough supports it and OP brought up fair points.
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yeah i believe this is a given

AwkguyDB said:
Hell is pretty much confirmed Universal
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when?

AwkguyDB said:
and is separated by the barriers represented in Toei and GT (Also Goku had to be taken there in Super so there's that) so it's fine
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to note, this thread is not tackling any of them being space times in any way, well, outside of possibly the demon realm, but not the rest

AwkguyDB said:
and the Kaioshin realm literally only requires the Afterlife to be 10x the Living Realm for it to go through which is kinda a no brainer we just want to know how much bigger is the afterlife since its finite now for speed and power scaling up 3-As and MFTLs
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yeah, the kaioshin realm is also a given
 
AwkguyDB said:
Lol Yeah I am not sure what people are agreeing to at this point besides the Demon Realm I think the only thing the OP wants more clarification on is just Hell at this point
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Yea its best for omega to drop the couple realms except for Kaioshen realm and demon realm.
 
AwkguyDB said:
Lol Yeah I am not sure what people are agreeing to at this point besides the Demon Realm I think the only thing the OP wants more clarification on is just Hell at this point
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huh, no? the op's suggestions are still what they were
 
omegabronic said:
hell, the dimension of swirling lights and the demon realm are still with no solid proof of being universal in size, which is the point of this thread
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Luffy explain the dimesnion of swirling lights and the demon realm to be a solid universal size spacetime, Hell is debatable but it still expand towards the macrosom
 
I already answered the point of the swirling lights, it qualifies for tier 2, you can ask Medeus if he qualifies or not, he understands about Tier 2 stuff better than me and most of the time he agreed so stop denying the obvious.
 
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