Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[SlendVeny]

I don't understand Naruto scaling sometimes. Base Hashirama's Wood Golem~Kurama~Perfect Susanoo despite the fact that we know PS~SM Wood Golem

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Did Madara have Rinnegan during their original fight?

 

[SlendVeny]

1/10th Kakashi is Low 7-B+ (5.1 MegaTons). If that somehow scales to like LoW Sasuke a shit ton of characters would be in tier 7. For example the Sound 4 members in their base forms should be stronger than LoW Sasuke but with CS2 they'll become at least 10x stronger than before. So they end up in 7-B+ again, or even just straight up 7-A since there's a huge gap between base S4 members and LoW Sasuke, this is also not considering the boost from CS1.

Jonin > CS2 Sound 4

Base Sound 4 > 1/10th Jonin

CS1 S4 > Base

CS2 S4 is 10x CS1

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Strongest Versions only (no Juubi Jinchūriki):
1. WM Obito
2. Itachi
3. Nagato
4. Konan
5. Sasori
6. Deidara
7. Kisame
8. Kakuzu
9. Hidan

Yes, I ignored Zetsu (because f him), and no I will not elaborate further

switch deidara and sasori around and itachi and nagato and this is pretty much my list.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

switch deidara and sasori around and itachi and nagato and this is pretty much my list.

 

[Godernet]

Arc doesn’t get to see his family until this gets passed so do him a favor and drop that FRA

 

[Stryker861]

itachi and nagato and this is pretty much my list.

nagato over itachi is so based

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Arc doesn’t get to see his family until this gets passed so do him a favor and drop that FRA

^

 

[Ped2018]

Hmm, this may be dumb, but since idk much about Naruto scaling i have to ask, is the power of the Jinchuriki base form also added to their transformed states?? Like, when Bee is fully transformed, is this the power of Bee + Hachibi, or is this Hachibi alone?

 

[Kaydee1648]

Hmm, this may be dumb, but since idk much about Naruto scaling i have to ask, is the power of the Jinchuriki base form also added to their transformed states?? Like, when Bee is fully transformed, is this the power of Bee + Hachibi, or is this Hachibi alone?

Good question
I've also Wondered when Naruto uses kurama in KCM2 is it just kurama or kurama+Naruto base chakra

 

[BlastX]

Yes, it's just that generally the Bijuu is essentially the bulk of their power so it's hard for that to make a difference.

 

[Ped2018]

Good question
I've also Wondered when Naruto uses kurama in KCM2 is it just kurama or kurama+Naruto base chakra

I think in Naruto's case it's Him+Kurama because it is just Kuramas chakra cloaking his body

 

[Kaydee1648]

I think in Naruto's case it's Him+Kurama because it is just Kuramas chakra cloaking his body

I mean like when he uses kurama avatar

 

[Ped2018]

I mean like when he uses kurama avatar

Ohh

 

[MinatoSparkle]

1/10th Kakashi is Low 7-B+ (5.1 MegaTons). If that somehow scales to like LoW Sasuke a shit ton of characters would be in tier 7. For example the Sound 4 members in their base forms should be stronger than LoW Sasuke but with CS2 they'll become at least 10x stronger than before. So they end up in 7-B+ again, or even just straight up 7-A since there's a huge gap between base S4 members and LoW Sasuke, this is also not considering the boost from CS1.

Sound Four are Hebi Sasuke level fr

Did Madara have Rinnegan during their original fight?

No

Good question
I've also Wondered when Naruto uses kurama in KCM2 is it just kurama or kurama+Naruto base chakra

The databook does talk about KCM2 Naruto as a two man cell, implying it's both their powers

 

[YoutubeForKing]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/tso-resistance.154415/

Opinions?

 

[TFO]

So wait… with the 1/10th Scaling, that means Kn1 is more than a 20x multiplier!

We getting to Bleach levels of Saucy…

 

[Ped2018]

So wait… with the 1/10th Scaling, that means Kn1 is more than a 20x multiplier!

We getting to Bleach levels of Saucy…

Bro making stuff up

 

[TFO]

Bro making stuff up

Nah bro, trust me.

 

[Ped2018]

Nah bro, trust me.

We gonna catch up to Bleach someday, trust

 

[Stryker861]

So wait… with the 1/10th Scaling, that means Kn1 is more than a 20x multiplier!

Wdym

 

[Stryker861]

We gonna catch up to Bleach someday, trust

We already surpassed it with shibai

 

[TFO]

Wdym

Depends on how “Drained” Haku was by time Naruto tapped into Kn0 because Kn0 would more than a 10x Amp for Stomping Haku, who we scale to/over Kakashi & Zabuza. Kn1 is comparable to CSM2 unless we’re saying Kn1 is a lesser amp over Kn0.

Edit: Tbf, Haku “wasn’t” fresh by time Naruto went into Kn0, so there is that.

 

[Stryker861]

Depends on how “Drained” Haku was by time Naruto tapped into Kn0 because Kn0 would more than a 10x Amp for Stomping Haku, who we scale to/over Kakashi & Zabuza. Kn1 is comparable to CSM2 unless we’re saying Kn1 is a lesser amp over Kn0.

Edit: Tbf, Haku “wasn’t” fresh by time Naruto went into Kn0, so there is that.

Oh i see what your saying. So whos gonna make the crt with the 1/10th statment, i can unless you want to

 

[TFO]

Oh i see what your saying. So whos gonna make the crt with the 1/10th statment, i can unless you want to

“Personally”, I thinks its better to nail down what the scaling would be before making the CRT. I’ve seen MASSIVE Incredulity sink a Straight-Forward CRT before.

 

[Stryker861]

“Personally”, I thinks its better to nail down what the scaling would be before making the CRT. I’ve seen MASSIVE Incredulity sink a Straight-Forward CRT before.

Ima reread land of waves through chunin exams and see if i can find any other useful statements and scaling. After that we can make a draft on the scaling

 

[Padaruyos]

If KN0 Naruto is stronger than Kakashi that means KN0 is a minimum 10x multiplier.

Naruto < Sasuke <(10x) Kakashi <= KN0 Naruto

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Oh i see what your saying. So whos gonna make the crt with the 1/10th statment, i can unless you want to

I mean LoW Kakashi literally scales nowhere. Unless someone wants to calc the big water style he used against Zabuza, cause he's definitely not City level+ at that point.

If KN0 Naruto is stronger than Kakashi that means KN0 is a minimum 10x multiplier.

Naruto < Sasuke <(10x) Kakashi <= KN0 Naruto

KM0 has a varying amp depending on his emotions

 

[TFO]

I mean LoW Kakashi literally scales nowhere. Unless someone wants to calc the big water style he used against Zabuza, cause he's definitely not City level+ at that point.

KM0 has a varying amp depending on his emotions

LoW Kakashi should Bare Minimum Scale over Genma & Raidou, unless you want to make the assertion Kakashi wouldn’t have even been above a Exhausted and low on chakra Tokubetsu Jonin.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

LoW Kakashi should Bare Minimum Scale over Genma & Raidou, unless you want to make the assertion Kakashi wouldn’t have even been above a Exhausted and low on chakra Tokubetsu Jonin.

Uhhhh that doesn't really work cause if Kakashi>Genma>CM2 Sound Four member, that'd also mean 1/10th Kakashi>Base Sound Four member, despite them slamming SRA Sasuke, who's leagues above LoW Sasuke. It makes sense for them to be stronger than a rusty Kakashi tbh, considering they're Hokage guards and Shizune thought it was impossible that they lost. But honestly, even though I normally balk at this, it might just be an outlier given the incredible disparity presented between Genin and Jonin level characters for most of the series. Hell, even Jirobo is more than 50x stronger than LoW Sasuke.

 

[Stryker861]

Uhhhh that doesn't really work cause if Kakashi>Genma>CM2 Sound Four member, that'd also mean 1/10th Kakashi>Base Sound Four member, despite them slamming SRA Sasuke, who's leagues above LoW Sasuke. It makes sense for them to be stronger than a rusty Kakashi tbh, considering they're Hokage guards and Shizune thought it was impossible that they lost. But honestly, even though I normally balk at this, it might just be an outlier given the incredible disparity presented between Genin and Jonin level characters for most of the series. Hell, even Jirobo is more than 50x stronger than LoW Sasuke.

It does NOT make sense for the s4 to be stronger than a rusty kakashi when the s4 for themselves thought fighting regular jonin was a high diff fight and that was with a 4v2 advantage

 

[MinatoSparkle]

But honestly, even though I normally balk at this, it might just be an outlier given the incredible disparity presented between Genin and Jonin level characters for most of the series. Hell, even Jirobo is more than 50x stronger than LoW Sasuke.

 

[Stryker861]

I feel like we can make it work, im going to think about it for a bit

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Honestly I think Zabuza’s demon aura should be an amp, since it’s tied to resolve, and we know a ninja is strengthened by their resolve.

 

[TFO]

Uhhhh that doesn't really work cause if Kakashi>Genma>CM2 Sound Four member, that'd also mean 1/10th Kakashi>Base Sound Four member, despite them slamming SRA Sasuke, who's leagues above LoW Sasuke. It makes sense for them to be stronger than a rusty Kakashi tbh, considering they're Hokage guards and Shizune thought it was impossible that they lost. But honestly, even though I normally balk at this, it might just be an outlier given the incredible disparity presented between Genin and Jonin level characters for most of the series. Hell, even Jirobo is more than 50x stronger than LoW Sasuke.

It makes 0 sense for Tokubetsu Jonin (Not even Jonin Proper, despite their Rolls under Minato) when exhausted and Low on Chakra to be Superior to “Rusty” Kakashi, whom maintains a higher rank then them.

Even if that is what you want to argue, despite no “Rusty” Ninja ever being shown to be Massively Weaker then the last time they trained (Actually proven w/ Naruto & Sasuke & Tsunade), I can give you “Rusty” Kakashi not scaling to “Peak” Raidou and Genma, but to suggest when exhausted and Low on Chakra they’re still superior is a non-starter.

Their fight against S4 shouldn’t be considered an Outlier as that is their first fight in the series and not contradicted by any of their other showings. That just means CSM2 isn’t a linear Amp. Same arc, Kiba states CSM 2 Sakon (Stronger than Jirobo) has 10x more Chakra, not that he is 10x Stronger. And we already know, more Chakra doesn’t necessarily mean a 1:1 increase in strength.

Therefore, we should really be looking into the Consistency of CSM2 Scaling because we have contradicting statements and showings. Again, CSM2 Sakon whom is stronger than Jirobo, is stated to have 10x more Chakra but is not shown to be 10x stronger than Kiba, which contradicts Jirobo.

 

[Padaruyos]

Why the hell are Tokubetsu Jonin assigned as Hokage guards??? Lmao.

 

[TFO]

Why the hell are Tokubetsu Jonin assigned as Hokage guards??? Lmao.

Idfk, Kishimoto was on sum…

 

[Stryker861]

Why the hell are Tokubetsu Jonin assigned as Hokage guards??? Lmao.

tokubetsu sounds cooler

 

[TFO]

Honestly I think Zabuza’s demon aura should be an amp, since it’s tied to resolve, and we know a ninja is strengthened by their resolve.

That presents a logic issue in the war arc. Even if we say it is, that amp should not logically be applied to Zabuza after his Feelings and Emotions are Suppressed by Kabuto because how can a ninja gain a mental amp when their mental state & conscious is suppressed?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

It makes 0 sense for Tokubetsu Jonin (Not even Jonin Proper, despite their Rolls under Minato) when exhausted and Low on Chakra to be Superior to “Rusty” Kakashi, whom maintains a higher rank then them.

Even if that is what you want to argue, despite no “Rusty” Ninja ever being shown to be Massively Weaker then the last time they trained (Actually proven w/ Naruto & Sasuke & Tsunade), I can give you “Rusty” Kakashi not scaling to “Peak” Raidou and Genma, but to suggest when exhausted and Low on Chakra they’re still superior is a non-starter.

I mean Rusty Tsunade was being reacted to by Kabuto. But sure that's fair.

Their fight against S4 shouldn’t be considered an Outlier as that is their first fight in the series and not contradicted by any of their other showings. That just means CSM2 isn’t a linear Amp. Same arc, Kiba states CSM 2 Sakon (Stronger than Jirobo) has 10x more Chakra, not that he is 10x Stronger. And we already know, more Chakra doesn’t necessarily mean a 1:1 increase in strength.

No, it is 1:1 with strength. And anyways there's a direct statement for Jirobo.

Therefore, we should really be looking into the Consistency of CSM2 Scaling because we have contradicting statements and showings. Again, CSM2 Sakon whom is stronger than Jirobo, is stated to have 10x more Chakra but is not shown to be 10x stronger than Kiba, which contradicts Jirobo.

How is he not shown to be 10x stronger? Kiba and Akamaru used a move they hadn't before to fight CM2 Sakon.

 

[Stryker861]

i just calced a feat from kakashi during LOW and it was town level (25 kilotons) so theres that at worst to scale this kakashi to @GokuSparkle