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Celestialsapiens HDE needs a revision
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Can someone please summarize the currently proposed reasonings?
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In the Official MoA QnA that if celestial sapiens are Extra-Dimensional (with the context being Axiomatic Dimensions), MoA answered yes, they're Extra-Dimensional.
Further supported by another secondary source which states Celestial sapiens transcend the very plane of existence. Previously it was issue that was brought up that plane of Existence maybe is referring to 3D plane but In the context of this verse , Our or Humans plane of reality/Existence refers to 4D spacetime. as stated by paradox so it supports them being 5D as well.
Forge of Creation (The Place where Celestialsapiens are born ) is beyond Team Alien Force's comprehension.
Further that CPs were able to breach Contumelias Extra-Dimensional barrier physically which is Higher Dimensional Manipulation not range which further supports them being higher Dimensional.
We allow WoG and secondary sources as long as they're consistent among themselves, do not contradict the source material and has been implied (even if direct Statement is not there).
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Is this thread about whether or not they are HDE or what number of HDE?
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The latter.
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Number, 5D HDE.
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In the QnA they also say Alien X is above all dimensions and then also say he can die to a tier 2 attack
Actually I watched the clip but the Dr never says its about the time and space. Its also plane of reality
CPs can also do that with range as we discussed. Theres no way touching a 5D object gives 5D HD
Sadly this QnA one is not. They also used a headcanon character I believe
Actually I watched the clip but the Dr never says its about the time and space. Its also plane of reality
CPs can also do that with range as we discussed. Theres no way touching a 5D object gives 5D HD
Sadly this QnA one is not. They also used a headcanon character I believe
I think they wanted to argue for 6D then changed it to 5D
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The creature and paradox were kicked out of spacetime through a hole in a fabric of Spacetime, after coming into this plane of Existence he was causing wreck havoc in the timestream.
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? Affecting a higher Dimensional object (breaching, wrapping) is a HD manp not range, it's literally a definition of Dimensional Manipulation. For range, there must be a qualitative superiority.
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Effecting a higher dimensional object can either be range, AP or HD manipulation but it is NOT higher dimensional existence which the OP is arguing for.
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i'll let the staff decide.
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Good call
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This HD manp is supporting evidence as implication for WoG and transcending spacetime. Nothing more, nothing less and I suppose I made it clear in my previous comment.
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And I replied why the WoG is really unreliable and in every other verse we would disregard it. The spacetime was already rejected last time
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Anyway, leaving it to staff;
Current reasoning.
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"the very plane of existence" is a subjective term for every verse. In what context is this verbiage used in the series? 3-D or 4-D?
We can say that the Contumelia have 5-D HDE. In regards to the Barrier, whether they mean, Extra-dimensional to themselves or to who they are talking to, is also subjective. I would put the Barrier at the same level as the Annialargh. At least 5-D, possibly 6-D.
Now the question is, does AX's interaction with the Barrier justify the same existence? Are we of the precedent that AP and a being's Existence act independently of each other?
We can say that the Contumelia have 5-D HDE. In regards to the Barrier, whether they mean, Extra-dimensional to themselves or to who they are talking to, is also subjective. I would put the Barrier at the same level as the Annialargh. At least 5-D, possibly 6-D.
Now the question is, does AX's interaction with the Barrier justify the same existence? Are we of the precedent that AP and a being's Existence act independently of each other?
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I dont think anyone here still thinks that touching feat is HDE, Reiner already said the main focus and point is the WoG
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The plane of reality/existence refers to 4D spacetime as stated by paradox since his experiment was breaking a hole in spacetime which is considered 4D here.
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I think I can see Alien X having HDE 5D from the Contumelia since they are the biggest race and etc. But is what they consider 5D the same as what the wiki considers?
Why do naljians have that 26D thing that I think is not accepted (since Alien x is not1-C 1-B)
Why do naljians have that 26D thing that I think is not accepted (since Alien x is not
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He was causing havoc on earth which would then impact the future.
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Paradox used it as 4D, "The trans-dimensional creature came into our plane of reality", he and that creature was kicked out of spacetime continuum in that episode.
Yeah, the barrier was affected by Alien X dna so it would give them HD manp, Manipulating higher Dimensional object and being higher Dimensional makes more sense if implied than being lower D and Manipulating higher D, it can act as supportive evidence. They as well are superior race than anyone in the verse, with WoG being supportive it should be fine.
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He said he doesn't know any context about the series.
But in case it is accepted, why aren't the Najilians? In case it is accepted, we already know that there is a 5th Dimension, the Najilians only said how many there are.
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Bosonic string theory, they're 26D but compactified so it's not useful for AP.
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So why aren't the contumelios like that? Unless you say that there are two types of dimensions at the same time on the back, the Bosonic and the type of dimensions that we consider.
Why wouldn't the Najilians be talking about the same kind of dimensions that the Contumelians talk about?
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We don't have naljians page coz and they were never stated to be 26D but just higher Dimensional beings who are aware of atleast 26D.
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Is there any proof of bosonic string theory though? Just because 26-D is in bosonic string theory doesn't mean statements of 26-D are automatically bosonic string theory. You'd have to prove the presence of the theory.
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This would be useful for Alien X as it scales to cosmology (as far as I know), so it doesn't matter if the Najilians are 26D or not, what matters is what the cosmology is.
So I'm asking why the types of dimensions that the Najilians talk about aren't the same concept of dimensions that the Contumelions talk about? This is important as a quick DT assessment finds the 5D of Tales true by wiki standards.
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Green is smocking smth so nvm him.
Also guys, Either compactified or non compactified, higher Dimensions are always treated like one (they have extra D but too small), we just don't give them Tier 1 rating if compactified.
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Bruh 26D AP is derailing.
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"Alien X is a member of a race so powerful that they have transcended our very plane of existence."
Yes, they are literally talking about their power. Not of its existence.
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You can be powerful by transcending the Plane of Existence and be higher Dimensional. Being powerful and transcending plane of Existence has nothing to discredit here. Like.. IDK what.
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It changes the context of the quote since Alien X already has a higher dimensional power/AP
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We go from Evidence to P&A not the other way around.
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Okay but when the Evidence is vague as **** we gotta look at the wider context
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?uh... ? But it doesn't states that they can Destroy higher Dimensional cosmology or whatever you are asserting but simply that they are so powerful that they have transcended the very plane of Existence. And also states later on that they can Destroy mountains. There is no mention that they can destroy 5D structures that you're asserting and no implication as well.
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I didnt say that nor was that my intention. I will let Firestorm decide the entire thing
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Thankfully no one said that
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