Celestialsapiens HDE needs a revision

[Reiner04]

Extradimensional means more than 3 dimensions in this context and they're talking to Ben so 5 dimensions makes the most sense.

Basically this ^. I don't know how hard it is to grasp.

 

[DemonicDude]

Entire MoA ain't getting unreliable tag just because one of their official QnA has been contradicted. Duncan ain't getting the tag of never being used

But if he's unreliable then this would hurt the verse
So best we can do is make a CRT to remove Duncan overall moving forward. I saw an entire list of Duncan statements being false and contradicted.
In the long run this will protect the verse

 

[Reiner04]

But if he's unreliable then this would hurt the verse
So best we can do is make a CRT to remove Duncan overall moving forward. I saw an entire list of Duncan statements being false and contradicted.
In the long run this will protect the verse

That's the point, we don't do that currently, either in long run or short, we go with what is being done.

 

[Aachintya31]

Anyways , i am calling more staff since this is now going in circles.

 

[ShionAH]

That's the point, we don't do that currently, either in long run or short, we go with what is being done.

What? A lot of verses ignore some devs because they are unreliable and remove their feats to be safe.

 

[TheShape03]

He is not ******* omnipotent, are we really arguing legit omnipotent characters in 2023?

Omnipotence = Infinite Power. According to most of the definitions that can be found on the internet.

You don't necessarily have to be Tier 0 to be technically "omnipotent". For us, a High 3-A character would be omnipotent.

 

[Greenshifter]

Basically this ^. I don't know how hard it is to grasp.

If we’re agreeing then did @Aachintya31 go rogue?

 

[Greenshifter]

Shut up about omnipotence people, it has no bearing on this thread. If you wanna argue the WoG makes no sense just say that the Naljian Destructor is just a child’s toy

 

[Reiner04]

Omnipotence = Infinite Power. According to most of the definitions that can be found on the internet.

You don't necessarily have to be Tier 0 to be technically "omnipotent". For us, a High 3-A character would be omnipotent.

They aren't omnipotent then, if they're weaker than anyone. Omnipotent can refers to many things and not to be taken literally is not smth new to this site. I don't know how it is being argued to this length.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

What? A lot of verses ignore some devs because they are unreliable and remove their feats to be safe.

What other verses do is irrelevant. They have their own circumstances and stuffs. We only 100% deny WoG when it contradicts the source material, is not supported within the source material/nor alluded to or it comes from leading vs debating questions.

 

[ShionAH]

What other verses do is irrelevant. They have their own circumstances and stuffs. We only 100% deny WoG when it contradicts the source material, is not supported within the source material/nor alluded to or it comes from leading vs debating questions.

Then it seems like we cannot use these. They contradict eachother and the show (With the dimension stuff and omnipotence) They also literally have a headcanon character in them (Irrc)

 

[TheShape03]

Entire MoA ain't getting unreliable tag just because one of their official QnA has been contradicted. Duncan ain't getting the tag of never being used just because of many contradicted answers he has given, entire guidebook ain't getting discredited just because single out of all of information has been found wrong. No.

Even when contradicting himself SEVERAL TIMES?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Then it seems like we cannot use these. They contradict eachother and the show (With the dimension stuff and omnipotence) They also literally have a headcanon character in them (Irrc)

That's to be determined. Iirc, we do use these still for our profiles, so currently some things are accepted.

 

[Reiner04]

Even when contradicting himself SEVERAL TIMES?

This Official QnAs set only has one Answer contradicted among 5, so we still use it (yeah miss me with omnipotent stuff).

 

[ShionAH]

That's to be determined. Iirc, we do use these still for our profiles, so currently some things are accepted.

Rephrase? You are saying staff are still deciding which stuff are enough to disregard WOG?

 

[DemonicDude]

This Official QnAs set only has one Answer contradicted among 5, so we still use it (yeah miss me with omnipotent stuff).

Until Greenshifter constricts the rest too

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Rephrase? You are saying staff are still deciding which stuff are enough to disregard WOG?

No. I am saying these things are case-by-case.

 

[Reiner04]

Rephrase? You are saying staff are still deciding which stuff are enough to disregard WOG?

Unless the scan in particular contradicted, take it guidebook or any other stuff from official media, we allow official stuff. Just because a single information out off entire guidebook or official merchandise is wrong, we don't discredit it entirely.

 

[ShionAH]

No. I am saying these things are case-by-case.

Ooh we shall wait for @Firestorm808 then. Though I still disagree with the CRT

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Ooh we shall wait for @Firestorm808 then. Though I still disagree with the CRT

that's why I called him first things first

 

[ShionAH]

Unless the scan in particular contradicted, take it guidebook or any other stuff from official media, we allow official stuff. Just because a single information out off entire guidebook or official merchandise is wrong, we don't discredit it entirely.

Look. If the authors dont know shit about dimensions and throw the word around, contadict themselves several times, make a tier 2 anti feat, add a fan character as canon (or whatever), call it above dimensions (which is like H1-B) then call it multidimensional (which is like 4D+)

Its time to stop

 

[Aachintya31]

Look. If the authors dont know shit about dimensions and throw the word around, contadict themselves several times, make a tier 2 anti feat, add a fan character as canon (or whatever), call it above dimensions (which is like H1-B) then call it multidimensional (which is like 4D+)

Its time to stop

You should realise this thread is not completely dependent of WOG.
So yeah Stop.

 

[ShionAH]

You should realise this thread is not completel dependent of WOG.
So yeah Stop.

If people stop arguing for 6D with Wog then sure.
For the general CRT seems more like Range+AP to me. Otherwise people like Goku would get HDE lol, Disagree FRA

 

[Reiner04]

Anyway, agree to disagree regarding entire WoG stuff.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I will leave this here and go

• When a statement from a character, guidebook, or even word of god contradicts what occurs in the series, they won't be used. For example, if an author says that a character from his work is incapable of shattering planets, even though it has destroyed galaxies on-screen, we will always go with the latter, rather than the former. The statement needs to be consistent with what has been revealed within the fictional franchise itself. Otherwise, it will be considered invalid.
• Author statements will only be accepted when they clarify what has been shown or implied in the series itself, and will be rejected when they contradict what has been shown to the audience. Statements that technically do not contradict anything shown in the series will still be rejected if there is no evidence that they are accurate.

 

[Reiner04]

I will leave this here and go

Yeah, it's fairly has been implied, AX are beyond comprehension and have interacted with Extra-Dimensional barrier, lives outside of Spacetime continuum and transcend our plane of Existence.

 

[Robo432343]

He is not ******* omnipotent, are we really arguing legit omnipotent characters in 2023?

exactly bruh

his profile literally says that he is omnipotent

 

[Reiner04]

exactly bruh

his profile literally says that he is omnipotent

Stated to be Omnipotent in fiction is common thing that only depends on context in which it being used, Celestial sapiens are entire species that is strongest in the verse and so can be regarded as omnipotent. If I call someone omnipotent then that means he is anything but weaker than me or anyone I know. That doesn't mean he is omnipotent, Omnipotent Statements in Fiction mostly doesn't mean to be taken literally and only be accepted for scaling stuff as greatest powers or strongest in the verse. That said, Agree to disagree with Omnipotent stuff.

 

[Barbar01]

There are 3 contradictory things in that QnA.

1) Saying that a Celestialsapien cannot survive the destruction of a timeline by itself.

2) Say that Alien X is not Omnipotent.

3) Also, there they say that it is not limited by dimensions, and in another comment they say that it is Multi-dimensional (which if I understand correctly, it means that it is limited by dimensions, but it simply has many dimensions)

Are the same authors doing this?

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Shion fighting for his life to keep Maxwell match

Looks simple enough tbh. Contumelia stuff checks out and extra-dimensional WoG stuff is supported by it as well

 

[ShionAH]

Yeah, it's fairly has been implied, AX are beyond comprehension

4D

and have interacted with Extra-Dimensional barrier,

Alien X didnt do it, they used his range to do it

lives outside of Spacetime continuum

Resistance

and transcend our plane of Existence.

4D

 

[ShionAH]

Shion fighting for his life to keep Maxwell match

At this point I dont even care bout that. I just dont want wanks to go through

 

[Reiner04]

4D

Alien X didnt do it, they used his range to do it

Resistance

4D

"Our plane of Existence/reality" has been used for spacetime continuum in ben 10 episode paradox, so transcending it would be anything but still 4D. Also, all HDE needs is implication from the source material, WoG will be allowed afterwards.

 

[ShionAH]

"Our plane of Existence/reality" has been used for spacetime continuum in ben 10 episode paradox, so transcending it would be anything but still 4D.

Doesnt change the fact that the card was talking about his RW

Also, all HDE needs is implication from the source material, WoG will be allowed afterwards.

If Alien is really 6D how did they get his DNA?

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

If Alien is really 6D how did they get his DNA?

 

[ShionAH]

No actually. His DNA should be unreachable by this logic

 

[Reiner04]

Doesnt change the fact that the card was talking about his RW

? What's your point that plane of Existence is referring to 3D? Because humans are 3D? Then ben must be 4D for his plane of Existence being 4D. How terms are used in the verse is important, the assertion we are making about terms is how writers verse treats it but the assertion you're making is solely depends on that I disagree regardless, my point that Our plane of Existence is 4D and so the verse approves it.

If Alien is really 6D how did they get his DNA?

He is already HDE, Omnitrix was still able to get it, he has Alien x DNA Because it can get it? What else there is to think and what's the reason for it shouldn't? How Omnitrix being capable of getting Alien X/Extra-Dimensional being DNA is relevant?

 

[Aachintya31]

No actually. His DNA should be unreachable by this logic

If Alien is really 6D how did they get his DNA?

The verse has established on multiple ocassions that Living beings and DNA can be beyond usual life forms with the existence of purely mechanical Aliens , inorganic Aliens ,Artificial Aliens and even pure energy based life forms. so this is moot.

 

[Reiner04]

The verse has established on multiple ocassions that Living beings and DNA can be beyond usual life forms with the existence of purely mechanical Aliens , inorganic Aliens ,Artificial Aliens and even pure energy based life forms. so this is moot.

Echo Echo just being literal living sound waves.

 

[ShionAH]

? What's your point that plane of Existence is referring to 3D? Because humans are 3D? Then ben must be 4D for his plane of Existence being 4D.
How terms are used in the verse is important, the assertion we are making about terms is how writers verse treats it but the assertion you're making is solely depends on that I disagree regardless, my point that Our plane of Existence is 4D and so the verse approves it.

**** it. This is going in circles we will see staff opinions, I genuinly hate ben 10 because of these last couple CRTs