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Undertale: General CRT

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All of you calm the hell down, no need to act aggressive over this. If I see any toxic comments I will be deleting them

As for the CRT, everything looks fine though the law hax I don't really see much beyond just 4th wall breaking on the mechanics given Sans as a character's like that.
 
That doesn't really mean law hax, again Sans breaking the 4th wall talking about how it's not going to be your turn is just him breaking the 4th wall and abusing the mechanics of the game.
 
Theglassman12 said:
That doesn't really mean law hax, again Sans breaking the 4th wall talking about how it's not going to be your turn is just him breaking the 4th wall and abusing the mechanics of the game.
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He is not breaking the fourth wall- The turns and mechanics are inside the game. I dont see your point
 
4th wall breaking sounds better than a random unclaimed assumption that those are laws of the universe that are being manipulated.
 
Theglassman12 said:
All of you calm the hell down, no need to act aggressive over this. If I see any toxic comments I will be deleting them

As for the CRT, everything looks fine though the law hax I don't really see much beyond just 4th wall breaking on the mechanics given Sans as a character's like that.
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What about the Regen shit? Is that Low or Mid Godly?
 
Honestly, I don't see how it could be Law Manipulation, maybe resistance.

Let's think that game mechanics are a real universal Law in the world of Undertale and not just something in the game (because not only Sans talks about it).

What exactly did Sans manipulate? I'll talk about the argument given by the OP, which was Sans preventing Frisk from attacking him. Did he manipulate any laws? In my opinion no, he just used the Law in his favor. According to game mechanics, everyone has their own turn to do their thing, so Sans, knowing that, just didn't use his turn. He chose not to attack, not to do anything at all, so his turn would never end.

Imagine you playing an RPG game, and in a fight when it's your turn, you simply drop the controller and to do other things. Since you are not doing anything it will never be your opponent's turn. If your console and game had an infinite lifespan, it would stay on until the end of time. So I ask, have you manipulated any laws? No, you're just taking advantage of her.

I don't know if you understand the reasoning.

What I can see is a limited resistance to Law for Sans and Frisk/Chara(?), as they ignore an aspect of game mechanics to do something. Sans ignores the game mechanics to use his bones on the player's turn to deal damage. And Frisk moves the square where the battles take place to be able to reach the attack button to attack and kill Sans, even being on his turn. Or perhaps this could fall under manipulation of the law? I don't know if this is more manipulation or resistance.

Well, just my opinion. I'm not voting for anything.
 
@ShionAH Yes he is, him commenting about how in one of the turns he's going to die is him breaking the 4th wall, plus him just staying still and not doing anything isn't him manipulating the laws, he's just not doing anything, that's not him manipulating the laws.

@StrymULTRA Mid-Godly is fine.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@ShionAH Yes he is, him commenting about how in one of the turns he's going to die is him breaking the 4th wall, plus him just staying still and not doing anything isn't him manipulating the laws, he's just not doing anything, that's not him manipulating the laws.
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Bro- Those things are canon to the lore and are inside the game. Theres no 4th wall here. He is messing with the laws of the fight system which is canon and not game mechanics or 4th wall, by standing there and taking his turn
 
Phsccarvalho said:
What I can see is a limited resistance to Law for Sans and Frisk/Chara(?), as they ignore an aspect of game mechanics to do something. Sans ignores the game mechanics to use his bones on the player's turn to deal damage. And Frisk moves the square where the battles take place to be able to reach the attack button to attack and kill Sans, even being on his turn. Or perhaps this could fall under manipulation of the law? I don't know if this is more manipulation or resistance.
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If anything that is a weakness of Sans, given he cannot hold it for long and Chara just used the opportunity to attack him in his turn.
 
Some evaluations, while I have a moment:

Regarding Nonexistent Physiology: In a very basic sense, sure.

Regarding Abstract Existence: If this is being fully proposed, I am against it, aye. That much seems unsubstantiated.

Regarding the proposed "Unknown" rating: Neutral. I think leaving it as "At least 8-A, likely far higher" is fine, idrc.

Regarding Extra Hax for Photoshop Flowey: Text Manip seems substantiated, as does Data Manip. Existence Erasure is perfectly fine. I'm against Plot Manip for something so miniscule, and Information Manip seems an unnecessary moniker in the face of what I think are more accurate descriptors.

Regarding Law Manip: Neutral. I get both sides of the argument here, not feeling strongly one way or the other.
 
Sans015 said:
Mid-Godly requires the mind to be erased from existence as well. Frisk and Flowey keep their minds after they lose soul and body.
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I legit do not care anymore if is Low or Mid to be honest.

There's Zeref's Profile which kinda proves your point though.
 
StrymULTRA said:
If anything that is a weakness of Sans, given he cannot hold it for long and Chara just used the opportunity to attack him in his turn.
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How do you hold it? He wasn't holding anyone.

He just knows that there is a turn-based game mechanic. That everyone has their turn, their turn. And what he chose is to do nothing, just stay on his shift forever since he's not doing anything. It would be the same thing if in an RPG in the final battle against a boss, when you go to your turn, you have to go to dinner or go to the bathroom and let go of the controller. Until you do something, it will never be your opponent's turn. Sans only knows about this law/mechanic and abuses it to stop Frisk. He is not ignoring or wanting any laws, as there is no time limit for you to stay on your turn.

Meanwhile, Frisk made her way to attack, even though it wasn't her turn, on her turn. This law of game mechanics has been broken.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
How do you hold it? He wasn't holding anyone.

He just knows that there is a turn-based game mechanic. That everyone has their turn, their turn. And what he chose is to do nothing, just stay on his shift forever since he's not doing anything. It would be the same thing if in an RPG in the final battle against a boss, when you go to your turn, you have to go to dinner or go to the bathroom and let go of the controller. Until you do something, it will never be your opponent's turn. Sans only knows about this law/mechanic and abuses it to stop Frisk. He is not ignoring or wanting any laws, as there is no time limit for you to stay on your turn.
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Me when for some reason everybody ignores the other parts where he destroys laws that I listed above:

sans can attack in menu, keep fighting after being spared, killing after spare, menu bones, option bones, box manip etc
 
Phsccarvalho said:
How do you hold it? He wasn't holding anyone.

He just knows that there is a turn-based game mechanic. That everyone has their turn, their turn. And what he chose is to do nothing, just stay on his shift forever since he's not doing anything. It would be the same thing if in an RPG in the final battle against a boss, when you go to your turn, you have to go to dinner or go to the bathroom and let go of the controller. Until you do something, it will never be your opponent's turn. Sans only knows about this law/mechanic and abuses it to stop Frisk. He is not ignoring or wanting any laws, as there is no time limit for you to stay on your turn.

Meanwhile, Frisk made her way to attack, even though it wasn't her turn, on her turn. This law of game mechanics has been broken.
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Issue is that Frisk can attack him only when he feel asleep, when he was awake they could not do anything at all. If Frisk had said resistance, they wouldn't need to wait Sans sleeping.
 
StrymULTRA said:
I legit do not care anymore if is Low or Mid to be honest.

There's Zeref's Profile which kinda proves your point though.
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You know what proves my point?

The regeneration page which states that mind, soul and body has to be erased completely from existence. But no, you refused to accept that when it was stated, verbatim, that it was an obligation.

But no, I'm right "because a profile proves my point", sure.
 
Well whatever then. I'll still specify it being something towards both Soul and Body, given that it's consciousness based.
 
ShionAH said:
Me when for some reason everybody ignores the other parts where he destroys laws that I listed above:
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I talked about them.

It was in my first text. Sans manipulates or resists gameplay mechanics to use his bones to deal damage to the Player. Ignoring the "Turns" thing. What I'm saying is that taking his turn isn't breaking the law or manipulating it, he just knows the law exists and uses it to his advantage.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I talked about them.

It was in my first text. Sans manipulates or resists gameplay mechanics to use his bones to deal damage to the Player. Ignoring the "Turns" thing. What I'm saying is that taking his turn isn't breaking the law or manipulating it, he just knows the law exists and uses it to his advantage.
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You didnt respond to the others. Like his spare, his undodgeable attack, his ultimate move which moves the box which YOU agreed to be law manip. Check and mate 🗿
 
Soul and body are not by default interconnected. This should be noted and kept in mind.
 
StrymULTRA said:
Issue is that Frisk can attack him only when he feel asleep, when he was awake they could not do anything at all. If Frisk had said resistance, they wouldn't need to wait Sans sleeping.
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This can be a point for Sans, because even if he chooses to do "nothing", he can still use his powers to stop Frisk from moving the square.

However, possible manipulation or resistance to game mechanics still applies to Frisk. Because if Sans doesn't really do anything, Frisk can still move the square and attack him even though it's not his turn.

ShionAH said:
You didnt respond to the others. Like his spare, his undodgeable attack, his ultimate move which moves the box which YOU agreed to be law manip. Check and mate 🗿
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Why would I mention them when I agree that Sans can have limited Law manipulation? It must be because I didn't specify that I don't agree with what was presented in the OP, not later.

I just said that Sans taking your turn wouldn't be limited law manipulation, and I gave an example that you showed as something that could be used for limited law manipulation or resistance, or something like that.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Why would I mention them when I agree that Sans can have limited Law manipulation? It must be because I didn't specify that I don't agree with what was presented in the OP, not later.
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Wait you agreed with law hax??
Phsccarvalho said:
I just said that Sans taking your turn wouldn't be limited law manipulation, and I gave an example that you showed as something that could be used for limited law manipulation or resistance, or something like that.
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You literally talked about frisk moving the box was law hax- Sans does it way better
 
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