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Soul invulnerability frames, and his attacks being intangible makes her forcefield useless.
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Sans vs Queen
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Da3ggman
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Then what the hell was Pizza Box going on about above when he mentioned her HP? That's what I was basing my vote on. If we don't know her exact HP value, then I'm changing my vote to incon.
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oh I said the HP value
again I never knew it wasn't Cannon
I mean Undertale has it cannon so I just assumed
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you can see it in ingame and in data
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you cannot see specific HP values in game, it's simplified to a 0-100% scale. data doesn't mean anything and is assumed to be not canon.
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ok then Incon FRA
DaMonkeMan
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Queen FRA.
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No sans would delete, how his damage is outputted is that he does 1 damage a frame, UT runs at 30 FPS so thats 30 damage a second. Sans spawns 1654 bones throughout his fight, have every bone on you for a second and thats 48K damage total.
This is without KR, Basters, or TK.
With KR it converts 6 HP to KR which will eventually drain, totaling at 7 damage a frame. Have a every bone on you for a second and that's 107,510 damage.
Without KR a blaster deals 15 damage, Sans summons over 206 throughout his fight, thats 3090 total, the Blaster Spinner at the end of the fight alone is enough to kill Queen and this is without KR
Consider that unlike Frisk, Queen doesn't dodge and is also a larger target.
"All Queen needs to do is hit him once with her own danmaku that Sans hasn't shown good dodging to"
Sans canonically stomped on flowey multiple times who literally has an undodgeable attack pattern
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you can technically count the damage you do
Da3ggman
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Ah yeas, that unavoidable attack that always takes like an hour to actually hit something. Also, we have never seen any of his fights with Flowey, so we can't base his danmaku ability on what attack Flowey could have used on him.
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the move isn't that bad because it doesn't 100% obstruct everything and you can hear the heads before they explode and can't sans just teleport away or something?
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But it's still unavoidable my guy, and why wouldn't Flowey use it against Sans? especially since he's seen using in all of his encounters with us.
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nope, queen's one is the same principle as frisk's one, sans can do the same
Da3ggman
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Maybe because in the time it takes to use it, Sans would already throw his ass through a ******* wall?
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Using sans' fight with flowey as evidence that he has good danmaku dodging skill, despite the fact the entire fight happened off screen and we've never seen regular flowey truly fight isn't good evidence.
Da3ggman
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DaMonkeMan
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Does she have higher resistance
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tbh, if things get really hard sans can just time stop to dodge as a last resort
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Queen has attacks that can obscure sans' vision, and sans' first attack required a full hand down, and back up motion before any of his deadly magic actually shows up, giving Queen plenty of time to use any of her THOUGHT BASED magic against him.
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no, it is the same as frisk's
Da3ggman
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He has never used that in a battle setting to dodge an attack.
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he literally didn't use that as a last resort though.
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and sans can teleport out of it
which sans can dodge with his superior reactions and then use his own thought based magic on her
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It isn't that slow and reminder he said Sans costed him a lot of resets
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not in character.
he uses a hand movement first, not thought based.
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the obstruction spawns on you, he can just teleport away
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because he has never needed to, there is no reason to assume that he wouldn't if he really needed
he had no opportunity to do so, by the time frisk broke the rules of the fight mechanic in undertale they blitzed him and killed him
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why wouldn't he use it? if he finds himself surrounded by popups that block his view why wouldn't he teleport away?
Da3ggman
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What? That's just a straight up lie bro. It being slow is what allows Toriel to save you in the opening of the game lmao.
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Show me a single time sans used his teleportation to move himself out of harms way.
Then don't assume he would. thats too big of an assumption.
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I think its
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no reason to believe that he wouldn't if he needed to, again, there was no moment in undertale that he needed to use it
"which sans can dodge with his superior reactions and then use his own thought based magic on her"
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It's still unavoidable my guy and the pellets descend towards asgore faster when we beat him. he only did it slower because he enjoys our suffering, he was literally laughing
DaMonkeMan
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How if it SPAWNS ON HIS BODY.
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any reason to assume that he wouldn't even if needed? again he had no reason nor room to use it in undertale so he didn't do it
that is a logical assumption of what he would do if he found it necessary, to say that he would never use it at all even when needed is the big assumption
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well, considering he's been slashed at and shot at with bullets, you'd think that'd be a perfect time to teleport out harms way.
which he doesn't.
his starting move isn't thought based, he has to throw his hand up to summon his first attack.
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it doesn't tho? what are you talking about?
DaMonkeMan
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I'll reply when I get home.
Da3ggman
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My guy, if I throw an attack that's unavoidable, but it takes a month to hit something, its not a good attack. It leaves plenty of time for Sans to interrupt the attack, thus allowing him to escape unharmed.
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