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BFDI Series Discussion Thread

James_Plays_4_Games said:
I thought a good plan would be to add the profiles that were already being worked on first. It is a large amount and they were being worked on before the decision of references being very important was made, so I think staff members won't mind if we add references after that.
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Yeah but I was more asking because I’m making a profile for profiley rn would we just use video titles?
 
James_Plays_4_Games said:
Ooh, I already prepared a profile for Profile Picture... Sorry if that's disappointing. Anyway, just using video titles is how I'd like the references to be, but it's best to discuss that with other people too.
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Alr .w.

I can note somethings like how I’m a bit iffy to directly comparing them to the contestants given they haven’t done anything to show that they are pretty of be

I actually compared them to the bugs for strength and gave them class 1 LS for supporting the weight of flower

Speed could be compared since they blitzed the remaining contestants in all of the challenges notably reaching the highest mountain
 
CuteAnimeNekoGirl99 said:
I can note somethings like how I’m a bit iffy to directly comparing them to the contestants given they haven’t done anything to show that they are pretty of be
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To be fair, given how they’ve been able to constantly vastly perform better than the remaining contestants in challenges especially doing them before they could even react, I’d say they could scale to them. After all, they did kill the bugs which have (downscaled) durability from the contestants and can harm them.
 
CuteAnimeNekoGirl99 said:
Alr .w.

I can note somethings like how I’m a bit iffy to directly comparing them to the contestants given they haven’t done anything to show that they are pretty of be

I actually compared them to the bugs for strength and gave them class 1 LS for supporting the weight of flower

Speed could be compared since they blitzed the remaining contestants in all of the challenges notably reaching the highest mountain
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Scaling Profily to the bugs would end up giving them the same stats as the other contestants anyway, since the bugs have killed all the season 1 contestants except David. Since all the contestants are roughly in the same league, the profiles simply usually list them as comparable to the ones that have their own destruction feats if they don't already have their own. This makes the profiles easier to make. I like your way of trying to find specific instances where a character was directly shown to be comparable to another character, but I find that this way gets me very lost when looking at Pokémon profiles, so I don't want people who don't know about BFDI to feel the same way.
 
Psychomaster35 said:
To be fair, given how they’ve been able to constantly vastly perform better than the remaining contestants in challenges especially doing them before they could even react, I’d say they could scale to them. After all, they did kill the bugs which have (downscaled) durability from the contestants and can harm them.
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James_Plays_4_Games said:
Scaling Profily to the bugs would end up giving them the same stats as the other contestants anyway, since the bugs have killed all the season 1 contestants except David. Since all the contestants are roughly in the same league, the profiles simply usually list them as comparable to the ones that have their own destruction feats if they don't already have their own. This makes the profiles easier to make. I like your way of trying to find specific instances where a character was directly shown to be comparable to another character, but I find that this way gets me very lost when looking at Pokémon profiles, so I don't want people who don't know about BFDI to feel the same way.
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Yeah I'm not saying Profily wouldn't have the same stats although I think Psychomaster is correct with his scaling since they just ratio with their challenge skills

still kinda iffy on ls scaling tho
 
CuteAnimeNekoGirl99 said:
Yeah I'm not saying Profily wouldn't have the same stats although I think Psychomaster is correct with his scaling since they just ratio with their challenge skills

still kinda iffy on ls scaling tho
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Again, if Profily has consistently been proven to be superior to the remaining contestants, then even if they lacks any LS feats themselves, they would still scale to the contestants anyways. In fact, even armless contestants would scale to other contestants given there were moments where they were able to struggle evenly with them, such as Foldy struggling with Flower in Get To The Top In 500 Steps
 
Psychomaster35 said:
Again, if Profily has consistently been proven to be superior to the remaining contestants, then even if they lacks any LS feats themselves, they would still scale to the contestants anyways. In fact, even armless contestants would scale to other contestants given there were moments where they were able to struggle evenly with them, such as Foldy struggling with Flower in Get To The Top In 500 Steps
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alright .w. that seems correct uvu
 
There has been another content revision thread made by me since the last one, and only one person has posted a message there so far, it needs more input. I am very patient, but I don't deserve to be stuck in a limbo of waiting for months just for someone to successfully make an incorrect revision within a day that sets me back to more lengthy waiting.
 
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Pokemonfan807 said:
What would the huang brothers think regarding bfdi profile stats on this wiki agree or disagree
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They probably don't prepare most of the plot of BFDI with the celestial statistics of the character in mind, but they have deliberately made it so that characters are capable of affecting celestial bodies, so they'd probably find that it makes sense for the characters to have the kind of rankings that they have within the context of the VS Battles Wiki. Also, I know that Cary finds science interesting, especially when it's made fun, so he'd probably enjoy how Psychomaster35 calculated events like the Have Cots relocating the Sun.


I noticed right now that my previous message linked to the wrong thread. I fixed it now, and I would appreciate it if focus were to be put on that thread. I'll even link it again here.
 
So, we got an official release date for TPOT 3 being in a few days (Probably the 30th at the very least or later).

Given that Teardrop had joined TPOT 2, I wouldn't be surprised if both
Eggy and Foldy
get eliminated as a twist. I'm neutral on the latter, but I really hate the former.

Also, since Satomi and Pokey have been fired from JnJ since July of last year, I have a feeling that their characters will be killed off just like BFB 16's original intention so the series can continue, or maybe a surprise twist such as another split that will cause more apeshit amongst the people will happen since the crew most likely can't handle 42. Maybe an introduction of 3, referencing the 3rd episode of TPOT?
 
Psychomaster35 said:
Also, since Satomi and Pokey have been fired from JnJ since July of last year, I have a feeling that their characters will be killed off just like BFB 16's original intention so the series can continue, or maybe a surprise twist such as another split that will cause more apeshit amongst the people will happen since the crew most likely can't handle 42.
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Aw, I didn't know that Satomi and Pokey have been fired. I haven't found out why Pokey left, but I looked up that the reason Satomi left was for reasons regarding scripting episodes, so I think it's likely that Jacknjellify will still let her voice act. Finding good replacements for voice acting would probably be a nuisance, and it would take time for many people to get familiar with the voices of plenty of characters being a bit different if it happens, so simply letting a voice actress continue contributing in that specific way is an efficient course of action. BFDI is unreliable at properly finishing seasons, so I'm pretty sure Jacknjellify will try its best to prevent another split from happening.
 
So anyways, about the episode:

Aaaaaaand... Foldy’s out. ****, it should’ve been Eggy.

As for the challenge itself which was to build an amusement park attraction, it was overall an interesting concept. Too bad that scene where Two tests out he Strongest Team On Earth‘s attraction got wasted, because I would’ve expected better from that scene especially since Two has limitless power. Though, I like how Are You Okay’s idea was an outright reference to Zeeky Boogy Doog (Except it wasn’t trash this time unlike that episode) where they use an invention to have Puffball create a roller coaster in her mind to make it real. Everyone else’s attraction was alright.

Team8s and The S! is up for elimination, which makes it the first time 2 teams are up for elimination. I was pretty much correct there was going to be a double elimination thrown in at some point, although it wasn’t for this episode, rather the next one (Damn it, I still would’ve liked to watch Eggy get eliminated...). I voted Donut to be safe, and as for who I think will be out on each team, it will be Gaty(?) and Winner. Gaty because everyone else on Team8s is fan favorites and Winner because it’s literally like Loser’s case where fans would want to see a scenario of how Clock would react if Winner got out.

As for new abilities:
 
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Psychomaster35 said:
So anyways, about the episode:

Aaaaaaand... Foldy’s out. ****, it should’ve been Eggy.

As for the challenge itself which was to build an amusement park attraction, it was overall an interesting concept. Too bad that scene where Two tests out he Strongest Team On Earth‘s attraction got wasted, because I would’ve expected better from that scene especially since Two has limitless power. Though, I like how Are You Okay’s idea was an outright reference to Zeeky Boogy Doog (Except it wasn’t trash this time unlike that episode) where they use an invention to have Puffball create a roller coaster in her mind to make it real. Everyone else’s attraction was alright.

Team8s and The S! is up for elimination, which makes it the first time 2 teams are up for elimination. I was pretty much correct there was going to be a double elimination thrown in at some point, although it wasn’t for this episode, rather the next one (Damn it, I still would’ve liked to watch Eggy get eliminated...). I voted Donut to be safe, and as for who I think will be out on each team, it will be Gaty(?) and Winner. Gaty because everyone else on Team8s is fan favorites and Winner because it’s literally like Loser’s case where fans would want to see a scenario of how Clock would react if Winner got out.

As for new abilities:
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I wouldn't have been bothered by either Eggy or Foldy getting eliminated, but I noticed that Foldy has been the least interesting character on The Strongest Team on Earth recently, so I guess this is kind of good.

The character interactions were fun this episode. The challenge was nice, but I care more about the dialogue most of the time.

I think Saw is more likely to be eliminated next episode than Gaty, since people seem to find it annoying when Saw yells "eight". I don't think Winner will get eliminated next episode just for people to see Clock's reaction when there are already signs of an interesting story arc where Clock will try to not have bias towards Winner. I think Clock is more likely to get eliminated, similar to how Match got eliminated during BFB. Anyway, I voted for Yellow Face to be saved. I find him very funny and I'm sure many other people are going to vote for most of the other contestants that I like, while some people find Yellow Face too loud yet shallow, so I should be worried about Yellow Face the most.

As for VS Battles Wiki abilities stuff that you listed.
  • I'm pretty sure that's always how that ability worked. When Two eliminated Pie during the previous episode, it seemed clear to me that the action of clapping itself wasn't what made Pie disappear, but the fact that Two's hands made Pie not visible from their perspective. Now it's confirmed that Two doesn't need to clap along with covering the target, and can use other parts of their body.
  • Correct, and it's also fourth wall awareness for seeing the team logo. Basketball acknowledged the intro in the previous episode too, so there's more fourth wall awareness. (I'm mentioning this because her being an object character should have nothing to do with her knowledge of the fourth wall, contrary to what the Object Physiology page claims, so when that misinterpretation gets eliminated, don't forget to put fourth wall awareness of Basketball's profile.)
  • Correct, and since Golf Ball built technology capable of altering reality, this is more evidence for her being an extraordinary genius, so it should be added to her Intelligence section as well. I also think that this can be optional equipment for Puffball.
  • Correct.
  • What makes you think it was Winner causing that? Winner was reacting to the event, while Two was the one who announced that the Sun was setting, so if this is anyone's ability, it's Two's. It's more likely that it was Two speeding up the sunset in response to Winner saying that the Sun would set in an hour instead of very shortly. I think it's even more likely that it was just the show pranking the both of them plus the audience, but it wouldn't be bad to put the ability on Two's profile. I think the ability is telekinesis, since the event had more to do with the position of celestial bodies than what time it was.
  • An ability addition that you didn't write. You may have been disappointed about Two's test of strength, but it counts as statistics amplification, since Two's limitless power primarily has to do with abilities rather than physical strength, but they can use their limitless power to charge a physical attack.
 
James_Plays_4_Games said:
I wouldn't have been bothered by either Eggy or Foldy getting eliminated, but I noticed that Foldy has been the least interesting character on The Strongest Team on Earth recently, so I guess this is kind of good.

The character interactions were fun this episode. The challenge was nice, but I care more about the dialogue most of the time.

I think Saw is more likely to be eliminated next episode than Gaty, since people seem to find it annoying when Saw yells "eight". I don't think Winner will get eliminated next episode just for people to see Clock's reaction when there are already signs of an interesting story arc where Clock will try to not have bias towards Winner. I think Clock is more likely to get eliminated, similar to how Match got eliminated during BFB. Anyway, I voted for Yellow Face to be saved. I find him very funny and I'm sure many other people are going to vote for most of the other contestants that I like, while some people find Yellow Face too loud yet shallow, so I should be worried about Yellow Face the most.

As for VS Battles Wiki abilities stuff that you listed.
  • I'm pretty sure that's always how that ability worked. When Two eliminated Pie during the previous episode, it seemed clear to me that the action of clapping itself wasn't what made Pie disappear, but the fact that Two's hands made Pie not visible from their perspective. Now it's confirmed that Two doesn't need to clap along with covering the target, and can use other parts of their body.
  • Correct, and it's also fourth wall awareness for seeing the team logo. Basketball acknowledged the intro in the previous episode too, so there's more fourth wall awareness. (I'm mentioning this because her being an object character should have nothing to do with her knowledge of the fourth wall, contrary to what the Object Physiology page claims, so when that misinterpretation gets eliminated, don't forget to put fourth wall awareness of Basketball's profile.)
  • Correct, and since Golf Ball built technology capable of altering reality, this is more evidence for her being an extraordinary genius, so it should be added to her Intelligence section as well. I also think that this can be optional equipment for Puffball.
  • Correct.
  • What makes you think it was Winner causing that? Winner was reacting to the event, while Two was the one who announced that the Sun was setting, so if this is anyone's ability, it's Two's. It's more likely that it was Two speeding up the sunset in response to Winner saying that the Sun would set in an hour instead of very shortly. I think it's even more likely that it was just the show pranking the both of them plus the audience, but it wouldn't be bad to put the ability on Two's profile. I think the ability is telekinesis, since the event had more to do with the position of celestial bodies than what time it was.
  • An ability addition that you didn't write. You may have been disappointed about Two's test of strength, but it counts as statistics amplification, since Two's limitless power primarily has to do with abilities rather than physical strength, but they can use their limitless power to charge a physical attack.
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JustANormalLemon said:
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  • Alright, the blocks can be equipment of Two. They already have the ability to create them though, so not much of an addition here.
  • I'm not fond of making scaling chains to cartoon characters based on events like that.
  • Eggy wouldn't have a way of knowing whether or not Pie was still alive or not, so her choice of language doesn't imply anything. I think we should wait until we see where the eliminated contestants go.
  • Good attention to detail. I was only looking at Basketball during that scene, so I missed it. We can use this as more evidence of text being physically present.
  • Yes, the enhanced senses should apply to Snowball as well.
  • I understand where you get that impression, but we didn't actually see anyone other than Snowball and Basketball react to the logo, so I don't think this should be used as evidence for the other characters being fourth wall aware. (This is written in the case that the removal of the Object Physiology page gets accepted of course, since currently all object characters are considered capable of breaking the fourth wall just because plenty of them have shown this.)
  • It's true that the Brain Wave wouldn't be very useful as optional equipment for Puffball, but she still used it independently, so I thought it'd be okay. Now that I think about it, it was more like Golf Ball assigning a role to Puffball for using the invention, so I guess never mind about adding it to Puffball's profile.
 
James_Plays_4_Games said:
  • What makes you think it was Winner causing that? Winner was reacting to the event, while Two was the one who announced that the Sun was setting, so if this is anyone's ability, it's Two's. It's more likely that it was Two speeding up the sunset in response to Winner saying that the Sun would set in an hour instead of very shortly. I think it's even more likely that it was just the show pranking the both of them plus the audience, but it wouldn't be bad to put the ability on Two's profile. I think the ability is telekinesis, since the event had more to do with the position of celestial bodies than what time it was.
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It couldn’tve been Two’s doing because based on their reaction when the sun was randomly rising back up, even they were surprised. If anything now that I think about it, it might not even be either of the two’s doing in causing the sun to instantly go down, back up, and down again as it’s probably just the show ******* around with the laws of physics as usual.
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Not only was that not Two’s doing, but that’s just another one of those PIS moments of character’s dying to lower tier things, so I don’t think that’s viable.

Also, it’s Nickel, not Nick Le. I feel highly offended by that now.

And another thing:

Should Bottle’s durability get downgraded? She was only assumed to have her durability the same as her AP but now she’s more consistently shown to be shattered by even tipping over onto a hard surface.
 
Psychomaster35 said:
Should Bottle’s durability get downgraded? She was only assumed to have her durability the same as her AP but now she’s more consistently shown to be shattered by even tipping over onto a hard surface.
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Bottle's durability should've always been ranked like how Balloony's durability is treated. Same with Eggy and Foldy. If they have some occurrences of surviving other contestants, then they can be like Ice Cube, where her durability varies. These characters are portrayed as easily destroyable when hit the wrong way.
 
I wouldn’t mind having the durability Bottle’s limbs scaled to her AP while her body is below average.

Eggy doesn’t really have much anti-feats of her being a glass cannon outside of her being crushed by a bowling ball during her RC voting introduction.

Foldy also doesn’t have any anti-feats outside of being physically torn by Woody and shredded by the propeller of X’s basket. In fact, she could harm Flower in BFB 11 and withstand that.

Unrelated sidenote, why is Peppersalt suddenly spamming likes of my old comments from last year on this thread?
 
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Psychomaster35 said:
I wouldn’t mind having the durability Bottle’s limbs scaled to her AP while her body is below average.

Eggy doesn’t really have much anti-feats of her being a glass cannon outside of her being crushed by a bowling ball during her RC voting introduction.

Foldy also doesn’t have any anti-feats outside of being torn physically torn by Woody and shredded by the propeller of X’s basket. In fact, she could harm Flower in BFB 11 and withstand that.

Unrelated sidenote, why is Peppersalt suddenly spamming likes of my old comments from last year on this thread?
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Yes, that's what I meant, as Balloony is treated like that too, and I wrote that Bottle's durability should be treated like Balloony's. That's also what I mean with Eggy and Foldy.

Does Eggy have any durability feats though? Her introduction was of her dying so it could be established that she's fragile. It's not a random moment like Pin getting crushed by a tree in the middle of a challenge. (I believe that happened to Pin so she could be written out of the scene where WOAH Bunch needed to get out of the spike pit, since she was limbless at the time and wasn't "used to it" like Yellow Face.)

Foldy has those anti-feats, plus being casually unfolded by Ruby. Foldy fought Flower with her leg, which shouldn't be below average, and Flower ended up pushing Foldy by her paper body after. At best, her durability would be "at most Solar System level" instead of fully scaling to the solar system level power of the contestants. Though, for the sake of ranking characters who have the same portrayal consistently, I think her durability should be below average like with Ice Cube and Balloony.

(Maybe Peppersalt43 forgot about BFDI on the VS Battles Wiki and is catching up right now.)
 
James_Plays_4_Games said:
Does Eggy have any durability feats though? Her introduction was of her dying so it could be established that she's fragile.
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Except this was the only time we’ve actually seen her die by blunt force trauma, and it’s possible that the one who threw that bowling ball at her might’ve just been strong enough to one-shot her which wouldn’t be enough.
No, that scene of her dying from being crushed by blocks in TPOT 3 doesn’t count ‘cause it’s once again PIS that people are dying from them since they’ve preformed more impressive feats than that
She might not have any other feats of durability outside of that one scene, so she should just be kept as until more episodes come out.

James_Plays_4_Games said:
plus being casually unfolded by Ruby
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That’s not really being done out of AP, rather it was a way to incapacitate her. For all we know, the propeller blades she got killed by might have been the level of her AP which was why she died.
 
Psychomaster35 said:
Except this was the only time we’ve actually seen her die by blunt force trauma, and it’s possible that the one who threw that bowling ball at her might’ve just been strong enough to one-shot her which wouldn’t be enough.
No, that scene of her dying from being crushed by blocks in TPOT 3 doesn’t count ‘cause it’s once again PIS that people are dying from them since they’ve preformed more impressive feats than that
She might not have any other feats of durability outside of that one scene, so she should just be kept as until more episodes come out.


That’s not really being done out of AP, rather it was a way to incapacitate her. For all we know, the propeller blades she got killed by might have been the level of her AP which was why she died.
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My point is that the time being her introduction and it being her dying made the event more important than times that characters died to random objects. Context is more important than, if not as important as, the events themselves, so we can determine their validity. Context makes all the difference in determining whether a feat is a fake out joke or a purposeful event. Eggy's introduction being her dying to a random object was supposed to make the viewers feel like she's easy to break, so whoever threw it probably isn't an important detail when we don't know who threw it. The whole point of me comparing it to Pin dying to a tree is to show that, while Pin dying to a tree was just for a plot-induced reason, Eggy dying in her introduction was to convey to the audience that she's easy to break. Since it doesn't contradict anything we've seen of her, this anti-feat should take priority. Also, I remembered that Book's definition of Eggy is that she cracks too easily.

If Foldy's paper body wasn't so frail, then she wouldn't have this weakness. Why would we scale random objects to the contestants? Sure, the baskets are one of the few exceptions, being super durable like the jawbreakers due to being able to endure contestant interactions such as using them as a weapon, and the propeller was fast enough to let a basket fly away from G̸̫̈́͛A̷̟̳̗̓̈͋B̶̜̝͊̚0̶̠͐͠͝P̵̡̫̍̂̇ for a while, but we know nothing about the power of this item, other than that it can tear Foldy, who has proven to be frail every other time her durability was put to the test. Due to this, I think this is an anti-feat for Foldy instead of a feat for the propeller.
 
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Teardrop has Weapon Mastery for the Laser thing in TPOT 2 but wouldn't Eraser at least be somewhat proficient in using it (unless TD has other examples of Weapon Mastery, if not then I see no real reason why not to include it for Eraser as well)
 
Board3659 said:
Teardrop has Weapon Mastery for the Laser thing in TPOT 2 but wouldn't Eraser at least be somewhat proficient in using it (unless TD has other examples of Weapon Mastery, if not then I see no real reason why not to include it for Eraser as well)
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Just being able to wield a gun alone is not enough to warrant Weapon Mastery. They actually need to have some skill in using it. In Eraser’s case, all he was doing was recklessly shooting lasers while missing Teardrop every time he tries to hit her.
 
Psychomaster35 said:
Just being able to wield a gun alone is not enough to warrant Weapon Mastery. They actually need to have some skill in using it. In Eraser’s case, all he was doing was recklessly shooting lasers while missing Teardrop every time he tries to hit her.
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true ... though I do question if TD is enough to have Weapon Mastery anyway since she only like shoot 2-3 contestants accuratly
 
Psychomaster35 said:
Given they were all accurate shots and Teardrop has some form of decent combat experience based on her fight with Marker (especially hitting him to the ground with her own finger laser with just one accurate shot), I’d say it’d be enough for her to have Weapon Mastery.
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idk that feels more like combat experience and basing it on other episodes she feels more likely closer to having high combat experience

while proficient IDK if mastery yet imo since she only used it once
 
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