6D Silver Bubbles

[WIngs_Of_Despair]

"The reason we do not return the fire dew to the Bubble World is because there are no silver lamps"
It literally mean for fire dew

I don't think this is a direct quote. But are you implying that the silver lamps are another way to refer to Fire Dew? Because this is false, we already established that Bbble Worlds have fire dew but no silver lamps.

But they keep say "immposible to prove the bubble world existence". This is not mean bubble world is invisible for them, but for how superior they are for bubble

Yeah, but that's not what that means. It also isn't what they said. They said they couldn't prove the existence of Militia World. They weren't talking about Bubble Worlds as a whole. Obviously, they know and can prove that Bubble Worlds in general exist. But when you can't see inside the bubble then obviously you can't tell them apart or verify a specific world because you can't see that world. It's like if I had a box with a mystery gift inside. I can talk about the box all I want, and you can see that the box exists, but you couldn't prove the existence of anything inside the box without looking inside. If I told you there was a pokemon card in the box but you aren't allowed to look inside and you said "I can't prove the existence of that pokemon card." You wouldn't be saying that pokemon cards are nonexistent from your perspective. You're just acknowledging that you can't verify information you can't perceive.

 

[Robo432343]

I don't think this is a direct quote. But are you implying that the silver lamps are another way to refer to Fire Dew? Because this is false, we already established that Bbble Worlds have fire dew but no silver lamps.


Yeah, but that's not what that means. It also isn't what they said. They said they couldn't prove the existence of Militia World. They weren't talking about Bubble Worlds as a whole. Obviously, they know and can prove that Bubble Worlds in general exist. But when you can't see inside the bubble then obviously you can't tell them apart or verify a specific world because you can't see that world. It's like if I had a box with a mystery gift inside. I can talk about the box all I want, and you can see that the box exists, but you couldn't prove the existence of anything inside the box without looking inside. If I told you there was a pokemon card in the box but you aren't allowed to look inside and you said "I can't prove the existence of that pokemon card." You wouldn't be saying that pokemon cards are nonexistent from your perspective. You're just acknowledging that you can't verify information you can't perceive.

Damn.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

If you lose the fire dew, the world will be destroyed.
The amount of fire dew is directly related to the amount of magic power in the entire small world.

If there is no fire dew World will perish.

"But if that's the case, how did you get here? There's no way you'll be able to go out to the silver sea without evolving. Simply because you have less fire dew...?"

Without Evolution into Silver Bubble Bubble World won't be recognised it's existence. Yeah I found it funny how opposition party is so hung up on an light and ignoring the context. Also Militia World is an Silver Bubbles. It does has little fire dew. The people Ignoring the fact Statement states Militia World fire dew is equivalent to Bubble world as it's impossible to measure. But Militia World does has small amount of fire dew. Which Is completely different from what exists in Bubble World.

"However, how did it evolve without fire dew in the first layer world...? Normally, it should perish as it is..."

Funny as first scans states here from Silver Sea inhabitants Bubble World should have been destroyed compared to Silver Bubbles existence as it's world doesn't have the same amount of fire dew as Silver Bubbles. In other words the World shouldn't have existed. It's the same as non existent.

It just shows for Silver Bubbles inhabitants Bubble World shouldn't Exists as it's stated it should be perished as it is now. Nowhere in the hell it's talking about silver Lamps or something else.

For them bubble world existence is non existent so they say "normally it should perish as it is" which also can be said "it shouldn't have existed"

But Militia World is a Silver Bubble of course it would have too little fire dew unlike bubble world which should have not exist as for Silver Bubbles inhabitants POV.

 

[WIngs_Of_Despair]

Without Evolution into Silver Bubble Bubble World won't be recognised it's existence. Yeah I found it funny how opposition party is so hung up on an light and ignoring the context. Also Militia World is an Silver Bubbles. It does has little fire dew. The people Ignoring the fact Statement states Militia World fire dew is equivalent to Bubble world as it's impossible to measure. But Militia World does has small amount of fire dew. Which Is completely different from what exists in Bubble World.

This is a massive pivot. But substantiate your claims. Where's the scan that says you aren't recognized as existing until you become Silver Bubble? Also if you're claiming that the Silver Bubble Militia World has Bubble World levels of Fire Dew then it destroys your entire premise of more Fire Dew inside the world making Silver Bubbles more "real." If a Silver Bubble can have the same amount of Fire Dew as a Bubble World then the amount of Fire Dew in the world itself doesn't actually matter and it's entirely a matter of layers themselves. I hope you realize that this is literally the opposite position of what you've been arguing up until now.

Funny as first scans states here from Silver Sea inhabitants Bubble World should have been destroyed compared to Silver Bubbles existence as it's world doesn't have the same amount of fire dew as Silver Bubbles. In other words the World shouldn't have existed. It's the same as non existent.

It just shows for Silver Bubbles inhabitants Bubble World shouldn't Exists as it's stated it should be perished as it is now. Nowhere in the hell it's talking about Solved Lamps or something else.

For them bubble world existence is non existent so they say "normally it should perish as it is" which also can be said "it shouldn't have existed"

But Militia World is a Silver Bubble of course it would have too little fire dew unlike bubble world which should have not exist as for Silver Bubbles inhabitants POV.

Saying something "should have been destroyed" is the opposite of saying it doesn't exist. It's literally saying that it not only currently exists but also did before (you can't generally destroy that which doesn't exist in the first place).

This is nonsensical. They never say Bubble Worlds in general shouldn't or don't exist. Simply that moving to deeper layers without fulfilling certain requirements would cause it to be destroyed. Which is not the same thing. I should be destroyed if I entered a black hole, as I'm not able to withstand the conditions of that environment. But me not being able to exist in certain environments isn't the same as not existing in my current state. As for the silver lamps, obviously not every statement is directly related to silver lamps and I never claimed they were. Those were mostly relevant in regard to the nature of their lack of ability to perceive Bubble Worlds, and how it isn't related to how "real" the world is as you claimed before.

You're presupposing that they view them as nonexistent. That's the only reason that interpretation makes sense to you. You haven't actually shown them viewing Bubble Worlds in this way.

I'm honestly a bit confused here. You claimed earlier that more Fire Dew=more real world. Yet you claim that when Militia World became a Silver Bubble it had the same amount of dew as a Bubble World. Which doesn't make any sense. Is Militia World also nonexistent? According to your most basic premise they should be equally "real" but this whole comment suggests the opposite. I can only assume that you're making further reaches as this discussion goes on in an attempt to get something that will stick, regardless of whether it even makes logical sense in your original framework.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

This is a massive pivot. But substantiate your claims. Where's the scan that says you aren't recognized as existing until you become Silver Bubble? Also if you're claiming that the Silver Bubble Militia World has Bubble World levels of Fire Dew then it destroys your entire premise of more Fire Dew inside the world making Silver Bubbles more "real." If a Silver Bubble can have the same amount of Fire Dew as a Bubble World then the amount of Fire Dew in the world itself doesn't actually matter and it's entirely a matter of layers themselves. I hope you realize that this is literally the opposite position of what you've been arguing up until now.

Saying something "should have been destroyed" is the opposite of saying it doesn't exist. It's literally saying that it not only currently exists but also did before (you can't generally destroy that which doesn't exist in the first place).

This is nonsensical. They never say Bubble Worlds in general shouldn't or don't exist. Simply that moving to deeper layers without fulfilling certain requirements would cause it to be destroyed. Which is not the same thing. I should be destroyed if I entered a black hole, as I'm not able to withstand the conditions of that environment. But me not being able to exist in certain environments isn't the same as not existing in my current state. As for the silver lamps, obviously not every statement is directly related to silver lamps and I never claimed they were. Those were mostly relevant in regard to the nature of their lack of ability to perceive Bubble Worlds, and how it isn't related to how "real" the world is as you claimed before.

You're presupposing that they view them as nonexistent. That's the only reason that interpretation makes sense to you. You haven't actually shown them viewing Bubble Worlds in this way.

I'm honestly a bit confused here. You claimed earlier that more Fire Dew=more real world. Yet you claim that when Militia World became a Silver Bubble it had the same amount of dew as a Bubble World. Which doesn't make any sense. Is Militia World also nonexistent? According to your most basic premise they should be equally "real" but this whole comment suggests the opposite. I can only assume that you're making further reaches as this discussion goes on in an attempt to get something that will stick, regardless of whether it even makes logical sense in your original framework.

"It should have destroyed as it is" is also can interpreted "it shouldn't have Existed" you are taking things out of context. Writting long paragraphs doesn't mean your interpretation is correct.

 

[Robo432343]

Writting long paragraphs doesn't mean your interpretation is correct.

bro when did despair say that

 

[WIngs_Of_Despair]

"It should have destroyed as it is" is also can interpreted "it shouldn't have Existed" you are taking things out of context. Writting long paragraphs doesn't mean your interpretation is correct.

Those are two entirely different statements with very distinct meanings. What context suggests that your interpretation is correct? I literally can't take things out of context because I'm just reading the scans as they're sent to me. You're the only one in a position to cherry-pick here, I'm at your mercy in that regard, but you don't see me making throwing around accusations of dishonesty.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

bro when did despair say that

I didn't said he said that. I was just pointing out there are too many irrelevant things he is bringing up.

 

[Robo432343]

Nah bruh it looks pretty relevant to me

 

[WIngs_Of_Despair]

I didn't said he said that. I was just pointing out there are too many irrelevant things he is bringing up.

The only things I wrote directly addressed what you said and why they were flawed. Unless analogies count as irrelevant tangents now.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Those are two entirely different statements with very distinct meanings. What context suggests that your interpretation is correct? I literally can't take things out of context because I'm just reading the scans as they're sent to me. You're the only one in a position to cherry-pick here, I'm at your mercy in that regard, but you don't see me making throwing around accusations of dishonesty.

1. Dude you are sole arguments is based silver lamps which doesn't make sense as already pointed out on luna and Evansmana case. Which is literally nitpicking.
2. If the world is non existent then there won't be anything to scale. my point was it exists for silver sea its non existent in a way it doens't exists
3. Militia World is different World and evolved in a different way than other Silver bubbles.
4. Sensing Existence of Silver Bubbles not gonna explain sensing Existence of things inside the bubble world. Narratively Bubble World existence isn't going to proven until they are born in the Sea as Silver Bubbles.

"There is no way you can go out into the sea" if they already existed in the sea why didn't they said how did your Silver lamp activated ? Because that's your cherry picking. Narrative you can't go out into the sea without evolution. Nowhere stated you need silver lamps to Evolve.

"But if that's the case, how did you get here? There's no way you'll be able to go out to the silver sea without evolving. Simply because you have less fire dew...?"

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Nah bruh it looks pretty relevant to me

Dude. That guys sole arguments is based on Silver Lamps. The scans states you can't go out into the sea without evolution. If they already in the sea why wouldn't they have said you will not be able to light up your lamps instead?

"But if that's the case, how did you get here? There's no way you'll be able to go out to the silver sea without evolving. Simply because you have less fire dew...?"

Opposition party argument are just nitpicking the single word out of context.

 

[Fixxed]

I don't think this is a direct quote. But are you implying that the silver lamps are another way to refer to Fire Dew? Because this is false, we already established that Bbble Worlds have fire dew but no silver lamps.

I dont say that. I say silver lamps is for fire dew is to govi back the fire dew, it literally like the scan say

Yeah, but that's not what that means. It also isn't what they said. They said they couldn't prove the existence of Militia World. They weren't talking about Bubble Worlds as a whole. Obviously, they know and can prove that Bubble Worlds in general exist. But when you can't see inside the bubble then obviously you can't tell them apart or verify a specific world because you can't see that world. It's like if I had a box with a mystery gift inside. I can talk about the box all I want, and you can see that the box exists, but you couldn't prove the existence of anything inside the box without looking inside. If I told you there was a pokemon card in the box but you aren't allowed to look inside and you said "I can't prove the existence of that pokemon card." You wouldn't be saying that pokemon cards are nonexistent from your perspective. You're just acknowledging that you can't verify information you can't perceive.

Is the scan say "is impossible to prove the existence inside the world/bubble"??
They directly say "is impossible to proof the existence of BUBBLE WORLD"
There are no statement like "prove inside of it". So your assumption is irrelevant

 

[WIngs_Of_Despair]

Dude you are sole arguments is based silver lamps which doesn't make sense as already pointed out on luna and Evansmana case. Which is literally nitpicking.

It's not, have you been reading my comments? I know they're long, but that's because I actually do address multiple topics. The one you wrote off earlier had very little to do with lamps in fact, and it was only to clarify to what specific arguments they were relevant.

If the world is non existent then there won't be anything to scale. my point was it exists for silver sea its non existent in a way it doens't exists

I know what your point is. You just haven't proven the premise. Nothing you sent indicates that they view the Bubble Worlds as nonexistent.

Militia World is different World and evolved in a different way than other Silver bubbles.

Not sure why this matters in regard to your established premises. How it came to be a Silver Bubble is less important than the fact that it is one and apparently doesn't have more FIre Dew than a typical Bubble World. Which contradicts the premise of Silver Bubbles being more real via having more Fire Dew.

Sensing Existence of Silver Bubbles not gonna explain sensing Existence of things inside the bubble world. Narratively Bubble World existence isn't going to proven until they are born in the Sea as Silver Bubbles.

What? This first sentence makes no sense to me. As for the second one, I already covered this. Since they can't perceive Bubble Worlds then they obviously can't verify the existence of a world until it becomes perceptible to them. Which is when it evolves into a Silver Bubble.

"There is no you can go out into the sea" if they already existed in the sea why didn't they said how did your Silver lamp activated ? Because that's your cherry picking. Narrative you can't go out into the sea without evolution. Nowhere stated you need silver lamps to Evolve.

This quote you're using sounds like them talking about people traversing the sea, not worlds joining other worlds in the Silver Sea. This quote literally isn't about worlds so I don't see what point you're making. Unless you think that I think people have silver lamps? But nice to know that you finished this up with a nice strawman. I never said you need a silver lamp to evolve. That would be nonsensical seeing as how Bubble Worlds don't have silver lamps and only gain them after evolving into Silver Bubbles. That's the entire reason they can't see inside the Bubble Worlds in the first place.

Dude. That guys sole arguments is based on Silver Lamps. The scans states you can't go out into the sea without evolution. If they already in the sea why wouldn't they have said you will not be able to light up your lamps instead?

Please stop straw-manning me. It's unpleasant. I never denied the concept of evolution being a part of moving between different parts of the sea. Also, they are in the sea. Why are you claiming that they aren't? Both Bubble Worlds and Silver Bubbles are within the Sea. You sent scans directly saying this.

Opposition party argument are just nitpicking the single word out of context.

What word? Also please explain how I'm taking things out of context when I'm working off o scans that you provide and contextualize them for me.

 

[WIngs_Of_Despair]

I dont say that. I say silver lamps is for fire dew is to govi back the fire dew, it literally like the scan say

I'm not sure what this is supposed to say.

They directly say "is impossible to proof the existence of BUBBLE WORLD"
There are no statement like "prove inside of it". So your assumption is irrelevant

They don't. The quote is that they can't prove the existence of Militia world. Aka the world inside the bubble. I know you read the quote, because I saw you quote it properly earlier. Here it is again to jog your memory.

Because it was a bubble world, it would have been impossible to prove the existance of Militia world

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It's not, have you been reading my comments? I know they're long, but that's because I actually do address multiple topics. The one you wrote off earlier had very little to do with lamps in fact, and it was only to clarify to what specific arguments they were relevant.


I know what your point is. You just haven't proven the premise. Nothing you sent indicates that they view the Bubble Worlds as nonexistent.


Not sure why this matters in regard to your established premises. How it came to be a Silver Bubble is less important than the fact that it is one and apparently doesn't have more FIre Dew than a typical Bubble World. Which contradicts the premise of Silver Bubbles being more real via having more Fire Dew.


What? This first sentence makes no sense to me. As for the second one, I already covered this. Since they can't perceive Bubble Worlds then they obviously can't verify the existence of a world until it becomes perceptible to them. Which is when it evolves into a Silver Bubble.


This quote you're using sounds like them talking about people traversing the sea, not worlds joining other worlds in the Silver Sea. This quote literally isn't about worlds so I don't see what point you're making. Unless you think that I think people have silver lamps? But nice to know that you finished this up with a nice strawman. I never said you need a silver lamp to evolve. That would be nonsensical seeing as how Bubble Worlds don't have silver lamps and only gain them after evolving into Silver Bubbles. That's the entire reason they can't see inside the Bubble Worlds in the first place.


Please stop straw-manning me. It's unpleasant. I never denied the concept of evolution being a part of moving between different parts of the sea. Also, they are in the sea. Why are you claiming that they aren't? Both Bubble Worlds and Silver Bubbles are within the Sea. You sent scans directly saying this.


What word? Also please explain how I'm taking things out of context when I'm working off o scans that you provide and contextualize them for me.

I already did pointed out why your interpretation is wrong. I guess I will wait for staffs. Funny part you ignored the context of me saying Bubble worlds exist in the sea but in a way that their existence is nothing. Yeah sure whatever keep on ignoring. I will directly address that to Staffs.

 

[Fixxed]

I'm not sure what this is supposed to say.

Is mean the context of silver lamp is for fire dew, it not have any connected to superiority of world, like view as nonexistence

They don't. The quote is that they can't prove the existence of Militia world. Aka the world inside the bubble. I know you read the quote, because I saw you quote it properly earlier. Here it is again to jog your memory.

The world inside the bubble??? Bruh the bubble's name is militia world, not militia world that inside the bubble. Where you get that???

 

[Georredannea15]

Is mean the context of silver lamp is for fire dew, it not have any connected to superiority of world, like view as nonexistence

still conjecture

 

[MaxLevel_King]

I already did pointed out why your interpretation is wrong. I guess I will wait for staffs. Funny part you ignored the context of me saying Bubble worlds exist in the sea but in a way that their existence is nothing. Yeah sure whatever keep on ignoring. I will directly address that to Staffs.

Nothing you've said thus far has proved their "interpretation" wrong. Every point they've argued is supported directly by the scans in your post, leaving no room for misinterpretation. However, every point you've tried to make isn't supported by any scans and instead twists what was actually said in order to fit your narrative. Both of you are arguing off of the same scans, but what this boils down to is one person actually following what's said in the scans while another person (you) is taking things from the scans that aren't there.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Nothing you've said thus far has proved their "interpretation" wrong. Every point they've argued is supported directly by the scans in your post, leaving no room for misinterpretation. However, every point you've tried to make isn't supported by any scans and instead twists what was actually said in order to fit your narrative. Both of you are arguing off of the same scans, but what this boils down to is one person actually following what's said in the scans while another person (you) is taking things from the scans that aren't there.

Only one nitpicking the words is you. And don't reply to me until a staff evaluates it. You have a bad habit of twisting others words & circling around with same Arguments. Your previous Downgrade thread & this thread alone shows that

This is my last reply to you on this thread Until a Staff evaluates.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I think it will continue like an infinite loop ,

Lol. I am dying with Silver Lamp nitpicking arguments.

until the employee comes.

I will ask fire storm to take a look at this wait.

 

[Georredannea15]

@DontTalkDT We need your opinion

 

[RaveeCPN]

@DontTalkDT We need your opinion

Only staffs can tag others

 

[Georredannea15]

Only staffs can tag others

ergen fanı olsana sen ya

 

[CodeCCLL]

Why does my name appear twice in " Agree"? Fix this please.Also are there scans about silver lamps? I'm confused here about the relevance between Bubbles-Silver Lamps - Silver Bubbles.

 

[MaxLevel_King]

Why does my name appear twice in " Agree"? Fix this please.Also are there scans about silver lamps? I'm confused here about the relevance between Bubbles-Silver Lamps - Silver Bubbles.

Silver Bubbles have Silver Lamps while Bubble Worlds don't. Silver Bubbles are perceivable because of the silver light they emit, but as Bubble Worlds lack this silver light, they can't be perceived.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Why does my name appear twice in " Agree"? Fix this please.Also are there scans about silver lamps? I'm confused here about the relevance between Bubbles-Silver Lamps - Silver Bubbles.

Don't buy whatever Max King says he is just nitpicking on his own Belief.

I'll let elde debate with you but what I'll somethings what I did say were wrong (my bad) except the fact that:
-Limited Order and Silver Lamp (which gives off silver light/shine) is a characteristic of the Silver World
-The Silver Light is how other silver world inhabitants know you exist and they can percieve you and you can percieve them
How does a world get a silver light????
The answer is obvious... Bubble world (viewed as non-existent) evolves into Silver world (due to fire dew). Silver world is more real than bubble world and they give off the Silver light which as I say make you perceivable.

Fire Dew = Worlds Reality.

Opposition party just desperate enough to ignore both Silver bubbles and Bubbles are different. LMAO silver sea inhabitants literally calls bubble world as Unborn World.

 

[Fixxed]

Why does my name appear twice in " Agree"? Fix this please.Also are there scans about silver lamps? I'm confused here about the relevance between Bubbles-Silver Lamps - Silver Bubbles.

I already explain that, look at my reply to Wlngs_of_despair. Silver lamps is just way for fire dew to back in the silver bubble, or way for silver bubble to absorb fire dew. Bubble not have it so the fire dew is just spread out without coming back

 

[Georredannea15]

I already explain that, look at my reply to Wlngs_of_despair. Silver lamps is just way for fire dew to back in the silver bubble, or way for silver bubble to absorb fire dew. Bubble not have it so the fire dew is just spread out without coming back

Your explanation doesn't matter. "Scans" are important.

 

[RaveeCPN]

Your explanation doesn't matter. "Scans" are important.

Everything we have already claimed is in the scans in the OP. And it is you who are claiming that these are not true and yet you are not presenting a scan.

So, yes. Scans are more important than explanations. And therefore, could you please provide a scan for everything you claim otherwise?

 

[Georredannea15]

Everything we have already claimed is in the scans in the OP. And it is you who are claiming that these are not true and yet you are not presenting a scan. So, yes. Scans are more important than explanations.

Some of the arguments said are available in the OP but not in the verse. Most arguments in the OP are just "conjectures".(Ergen fanı ol )

Also, there is no need to submit a scan to refute the argument. Scanning must be submitted to refute the feat.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Some of the arguments said are available in the OP but not in the verse. Most arguments in the OP are just "conjectures".(Ergen fanı ol )

Also, there is no need to submit a scan to refute the argument. Scanning must be submitted to refute the feat.

What you doing is argument from incredulity. So I guess we don't even have to consider your refutes

 

[Georredannea15]

What you doing is argument from incredulity. So I guess we don't even have to consider your refutes

3/10 of the scale is explained in the verse, 7/10 is your assumptions. I don't need a scan to say that, but you do need a scan to debunk that.

 

[MaxLevel_King]

Don't buy whatever Max King says he is just nitpicking on his own Belief.

Opposition party just desperate enough to ignore both Silver bubbles and Bubbles are different. LMAO silver sea inhabitants literally calls bubble world as Unborn World.

Nobody is denying that Bubble Worlds and Silver Bubbles are different. Them being different simply doesn't prove that one is viewed as nonexistent. Their difference is irrelevant, because what allows Bubbles to be perceived is the silver light they emit and that alone. There is nothing stated otherwise in the story.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

3/10 of the scale is explained in the verse, 7/10 is your assumptions. I don't need a scan to say that, but you do need a scan to debunk that.

Your arguments are from incredulity. So their weight is same as nothing.


Do I need to send the link from Oxford Dictionary so that you can understand what's incredulity means ? You literary committed fallacy and You even admitted You don't want to believe.

 

[MaxLevel_King]

Everything we have already claimed is in the scans in the OP. And it is you who are claiming that these are not true and yet you are not presenting a scan.

So, yes. Scans are more important than explanations. And therefore, could you please provide a scan for everything you claim otherwise?

The problem is that the arguments you guys are making aren't actually supported by what's in the scans.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

The problem is that the arguments you guys are making aren't actually supported by what's in the scans.

Nobody is denying that Bubble Worlds and Silver Bubbles are different. Them being different simply doesn't prove that one is viewed as nonexistent. Their difference is irrelevant, because what allows Bubbles to be perceived is the silver light they emit and that alone. There is nothing stated otherwise in the story.

So if You have Toy Car and real Car you gonna say both are real and you can travel in both ?

 

[Fixxed]

So if You have Toy Car and real Car you gonna say both are real and you can travel in both ?

Well that is kind of false equivalence. More correct is, car in imagination with real car, or real car and no car at all

 

[Georredannea15]

Your arguments are from incredulity. So their weight is same as nothing.

like your arguments XDXDXD

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Well that is kind of false equivalence. More correct is, car in imagination with real car, or real car and no car at all

I was talking about mechanism. Both are different in physiology.

I was about to give examples of birth & Unborn but really I think we shouldn't Talk about that kinda example i guess