It is. Your argument is that Volundrs allow humans to damage planetary gods yet there is no evidence that the same volundrs are planetary.
No, my argument is that your understanding of how Volund works is wrong. IDC what you scale it as, I already made my point about the scaling my first post which was liked. After that it was correcting you on your understanding of Volund.
Volundr functions by linking 2 people, be it human and a valkyrie or 2 gods (Buddha or Zerofuku). The only real argument you can make for them achieving the perfect power or fusion or whatever. E.g combining both the power of a human and power of a valkyrie + its divinity.
It’s not the only argument. Funny thing is that they do perfectly fuse, they literally have to match wavelengths or they won’t be able to fuse.
Ah yes, except for when they do damage Gods like Thor. We only know Gods are incredibly powerful, not powerful enough to view all of them as fodder. Even Thor himself considered Lu Bu a rival because of his strength.
That’s because they’re strengths are increased because of Volund, that is why they damage gods. Yeah, the same Lu Bu who had a Volund, a stronger and more durable weapon than normal, which is clearly shown in the series. This is literally shown in the series, Jack's fight displays it the best, turning a regular pebble into a Volund and it being strong and durable enough to crater a building, the argument of "Volund doe not amp" is wrong.
Zeus blood comes from a divine source, so it must give divinity unless there is a statement that it lost it. And what stick and rock are you referencing? And why couldn't it gain its divinity through touching something?
Zeus blood grants a “true Hero” godly strength to the person who drinks it no divinity. The stick/club he jabbed into the ground and had a rock attached to it. Because that’s not his ability, we have a person with that ability and its Jack.
Or better yet, why couldn't strong feats be performed by a divine being using a normal weapon? And even then, I guess Gods are extreme fodder and not planetary if they get damaged by a rock.
Damn, its almost like I was saying that the entire time. That the gods have been damaged by non “divine” weapons because their opponent’s strength and no because of “divinity”. Damn they must be fodder, imagine getting hurt by a rock which hit you with strength beyond human capabilities, its crazy how that works.
Then he shouldn't be able to copy the speed of techniques if he can't copy the strength since both are physical prowess.
He copies also the physical prowess or else he couldn't have copied the speed. Techniques themselves are just that, martial arts moves called divine because they are from a god.
So, fodder Gods being harmed by regular humans? Aight, sounds about right and that they have been underestimating them.
We never see the method of how he destroyed it. But Ig the gates are fodder. Unless you have scans for that.
Buddha lollipops after all. But IG then Gods are fodder if their statements don't align with feats, or merely scale to casual Buddha.
Adam copies the technique not the strength and speed. At the end we see that Adam while blind is still fast enough to grab Zeus and strong enough to hold him in hold. A continued to damage him while blind. By your logic Adam would be too slow to grab him and too weak to hold and damage, which isn’t the case. Adam’s strength is not copy-based its only techniques he copies.
Yes, lower tier/fodder gods, who as re still beings stronger than most of humanity are defeated by the most exceptional of humans that exist. But yeah, there are some super strong humans like Qin, Lu Bu and Adam who can harms gods without the use of a Volund. Although still weaker need them for the rag gods.
I guess a lollipop handle/stick is “divine”. But yeah, its almost like a genre of manga that limits it settings kinda can’t have people displaying their best destructive capacities, so relies on giving statements to portray their characters levels.
They are much more powerful yet have no feats. Literally the only statement is shattering the earth in an unknown way which you can technically be continental, multi-continental or moon level. If divine is truly flowery language then Gods are simply still fodder because they have 0 good feats to back up even 1 Planetary statement.
With no feats to back them up? Yeah, no. At best they deserve unknown or "at least". There is only 1 semi-valid statement after all and to scale the entire verse with feats that don't even reach island level besides maybe the creation of a storm is outlier as hell.
I do not care if it's a tournament if even the Gods flashbacks and greatest moments don't support planetary statements. And they arent even deciding the fate of planets at all, just humanity.
Its almost like the constant need for a displaying such level feats of destructive capacity destructive capacity because ethe authors have limited themselves into a setting that is not suitable for it and use the statements to convey their strengths, while also using the backstories as ways to engage an audience with a character instead of just blowing up shit so that manga wouldn’t be bland and have actual substance. You also forget about difference destructive capacity and attack potency, where a character can be a certain level without the need of them displaying feats on that level.
So, then they are just weak and get damaged by flying rocks. Ok.
Almost like there’s a difference between being hit with a rock by a normal human and being hit by a rock by someone who can output star level forces. (The star level is an example, don’t take seriously since I feel like you’d think I’m saying their star level).
He just calls humans strong. He admits humans are strong, not only the humans that they have fought. And if volund increases the strength then it's simply "at least" from their current showings.
My guy, I’m sure you can understand who he is referring to when he says “humans are strong”. Surely, it’s the humans who have fought and had their strengths increased, rather than the Billions of REGULAR humans in the stand and throughout history that did nothing. If not, yikes.
The entire argument for planetary level RoR is a single myth statement from Thor. Nothing else works, not even close. Zeus is just praised for being strong by Shiva, flowery in the end. Since he has not showcased planetary feats or range. Then Shiva is already addressed and his planetary statements makes the least amount of sense. And lastly Hajun, who's Helheim destruction shows buildings being destroyed, not the planet or the realm. Even going as far as Hades saying Helheim was rebuilt with building in the background. So yeah, even if I concede the divine argument you have 0 feats to back up a single planetary statement from a myth about Thor. If Planetary was truly intended then the author could have expressed it through Jormungandr yet opted for defending weak Gods hiding behind brick walls from titans.
So, in conclusion Record of Ragnarok Gods are extremely weak and have no showings of planet level destruction or creation, even if we take them literally we don't know the context or the method. Even when being serious and stating they aren't holding back + fighting for their lives and honor, they do not destroy anything much and even in flashbacks when author could show planetary destruction or feats, he doesn't. Opting for more grounded feats and fights.
Addressed this before and so have others.
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To break things down for you. Not every verse is going to give you feats, in those cases we look for other methods to scale such as statements. There is nothing wrong with that, when looking at these statements we also look at the setting of the verse, how its structured, what has the author written and if their are any contradictions. As many people known, tournament manga are notorious for providing statements for characters but nothing showing feats because the authors back themselves into a corner were they can't.
A statement with zero fan calc feats doesn't make the statement invalid. Sometimes statements is all we have and have to deal with it. The games the game.
