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Dragon Ball Super - Super Hero Key and profile additions (SPOILERS!!)

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FluffyCreatureZ said:
Hold on, there is a bit of circular scaling going on. The gamma's scale to SSB Goku and Vegeta. Orange piccolo scales to their instinct forms not blue forms. There's no evidence that SSB Goku and Vegeta are at least low 2-C.
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I think the Gamma (forgot which one) with his suicide attack would be atleast low 2-C not both of them just the one with the suicide attack
 
Also in the fight it seemed like SSJ Gohan was about even with the gamma he was fighting and used PU to overpower him if there’s any disagreements with SSJ Gohan low 2-C let me know
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
We excluded any mentions of Ultra Instinct cuz we don't know if its happened in the last three years

We decided to differentiate between Broly Movie SSB and a present day SSB because the Saiyan duo have been training for a while. Its been three years, after all. And since they've been gone, Hedo should not have any data on their current power

It was to remedy a contradiction set by the movie itself and WOG: Piccolo says the Gammas are on par with Goku and Vegeta but then WOG said Orange Piccolo is on par with them
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No we know orange piccolo scales to the instinct forms because cell max and gohan scale above everyone else and piccolo is relative to them which means toriyama's statement refers to peak Goku and Vegeta. Piccolo's statement should refer to Casual Goku and Vegeta so their SSB forms.
 
That's overloading the statement considering we don't know if they've even used their ToP forms in the last three years of the anime continuity

And given how Super Saiyan Blue was treated in the Broly movie, its most reasonable to assume those are their strongest accessible levels as of right now
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
That's overloading the statement considering we don't know if they've even used their ToP forms in the last three years of the anime continuity

And given how Super Saiyan Blue was treated in the Broly movie, its most reasonable to assume those are their strongest accessible levels as of right now
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The fact that their most accessible form is SSB means that piccolos statement applies to it.
3 years passing is only proof of their instinct forms getting more mastered than before and there's no proof their blue forms surpassed them. Orange piccolo scales and SSB doesn't.
 
No it isn't. There's not the slightest hint that those events have even happened yet, so we shouldn't assume they have
 
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DarkDragonMedeus said:
Quite a bit to go over, but basically.

We do have had some evidence of Goku having some Low 2-C upscaling in base form from the Broly movie. In wrath state, Broly basically just gets stronger with each second that passes, which Goku initially matched the same level of Broly that stomped SSB Vegeta. But Goku, Vegeta, and Broly have all been training on Beerus' planet to the point where they all grew much stronger, in in their recent sparring match. Both fought in just their base forms and Vegeta was shown to have surpassed Goku. That's always been a comment trend in Super, Vegeta surpasses Goku a bit, then later Goku grows to the point where even base Goku is above SSG or SSB Vegeta. And then back and forth. Broly also observed the entire fight and was impressed, and Goku also still considered Broly to be very strong even in the base state and while they were sparring. Which implies he is within the Low 2-C ballpark. So them being Low 2-C in base forms seems consistent now as of the new movie.

But then some other upgrades are for Gohan and Piccolo. They both have been getting stronger since the ToP, Piccolo kept on continuing to train. And he got even stronger upon Shenron's wish granting that replicated an amp a Namekian Grand Elder can do to people. He fought Gamma 2 at one point before the amp. But then there is the fight with Cell Max in which Gohan, Piccolo, and Gamma 2 where the biggest contributors. Gamma 1 was also pretty strong and Android 18, Krillin, and Pan were kind of sideline underdogs.

But Cell Max had a lot of statements about him being very strong to the point where they would have struggled even if Goku and Vegeta were around. And author notes mentioned that if Cell Max had the chance to fully mature, he would have been even stronger than Broly was at his peak. Though he wasn't fully developed and his mind was much weaker, but would still be quite high up in the Low 2-C scaling chain. Gamma 2 was able to do some heavy damage with his suicide attack, Piccolo in his Orange Namekian form also fought very well against Cell Max though at one point he faked his death because he wanted Gohan to get motivated. But after Gohan transformed into the new form Gohan Beast, Piccolo got back up and used his arm expansion to restrain Cell Max while Gohan Beast finished him off with a charged up Special Beam Cannon. Low 2-C absolutely applies to Gohan Beast, and Orange Piccolo, and Gamma 2's suicide attack. Forgot what the takes were for the Ultimate Gohan form, Gamma 2 normally, Gamma 1, and Piccolo's improved base form.
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Okay. That seems reasonable to me.
 
Can somebody write the EXACTLY worded titles for the pages thar you need unlocked please, so my automated program can handle it?
 
Thank you. I have unlocked them.

Tell us here when you are done.
 
I’m fine with most of the changes. However, there is still not enough proof that base Goku and Vegeta are Low 2-C. Even if they’ve trained for a while, there are no tangible feats they displayed which support this assumption. Besides, the fact that Goku displayed visible panic when Broly began entering his wrathful state implies that he didn’t believe he could get him under control in his base form. Honestly, I don’t even think Goku and Vegeta should get a new key. There’s barely anything that could be added, as they had a much more limited role in the movie. I also don’t agree with SSJ Gohan being Low 2-C either.
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Low 2-C base forms weren't agreed upon
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That’s good. Still, don’t see what would need to be added to their profiles. I’d like Broly’s profile to be unlocked in order to add more information to his Weaknesses section. The new movie showed that he’s improved his control, which is noteworthy to add.
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
I’m fine with most of the changes. However, there is still not enough proof that base Goku and Vegeta are Low 2-C. Even if they’ve trained for a while, there are no tangible feats they displayed which support this assumption. Besides, the fact that Goku displayed visible panic when Broly began entering his wrathful state implies that he didn’t believe he could get him under control in his base form. Honestly, I don’t even think Goku and Vegeta should get a new key. There’s barely anything that could be added, as they had a much more limited role in the movie. I also don’t agree with SSJ Gohan being Low 2-C either.
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what are your counter arguments for low 2-C ssj gohan?
 
You can’t just say low 2-C Gohan can’t happen from what we’ve seen in the movie SSJ Gohan low 2-C makes sense
 
He started using more of his power, however we know for a fact that they're Low 2-C even while holding back so that's a moot point
 
also before gohan even fought the gammas and piccolo rematched them with PU and Orange Piccolo Piccolo said it’d be hard to beat them without goku and vegeta and compared his power to them
 
It doesn’t make sense that base Piccolo would be stronger than base Goku and Vegeta. In addition, his fight with Gamma 2 in his base form was basically identical with how base Gohan's fight against Gamma 1 was. Both of them were completely overwhelmed, barely capable of landing blows on the androids while both Gammas were holding back significantly. What was the difference between those battles? Why is base Gohan 3-A while base Piccolo is Low 2-C? I just think it makes more sense for both base forms to be 3-A.
 
Base Piccolo was already stronger than Base Goku and Vegeta in the past and trains at a similar rate to them so I see nothing wrong with this

Base Gohan has no reason to scale cuz he was touted as needing to go Super Saiyan to stand a chance meanwhile Piccolo was still able to discern just by taking strikes from someone he can't possibly sense any higher power from that they're Low 2-C, meaning he was getting hit with Low 2-C strikes and survived those including a blast meant to do a lot of damage to him. It would not make any sense for him to not be Low 2-C because we're getting indication that he's still within a similar ballpark to Gamma 2. Gohan's fight against Gamma 1 had no such context
 
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