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So what is up with the Furies and Aegean scaling?
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God of War: Ragnarok Discussion Thread
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Thing is, the 7-B feat's description is kinda wonky. The spear was stated to have been forged in a tempest, not that it packs the power of a tempest. Prolly need to look for better feats.
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Fax. In fact wasn't the high end of the earth quake feat like Large Island level or something like that? And don't the multiplayer have much better weapons with crazier statements to scale everyone to?
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Which Earthquake feat? AFAIK Alecto violently shaking the Bell in Delos is 8-B at best due to its shaking nature being Magnitude 4 worthy.
Of course, there's always the Hammer of Atlas feat with the Redeemed Warrior swinging the hammer with the entire weight of the world but uh... something something outlier.
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No that was a fuckup, I was actually thinking of the Island dimension feat, I coulda swore that was calced and the high end was 6-C or High 6-C or something similar.
I mean is it tho? Especially considering now that I realize they ain't really consistent tier wise. The spear is never stated to be powered by a Mediterranean tempest, just forged in one, The moon can clearly be seen in Sparta, and now that you and maid pointed it out, The sun is clearly in the background of the Island.
What other Tier 7 feats are there in lore?
I guess scaling Demigod Kratos is the real hard part lol
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Delos?
There's the Python feat where it rises up an entire mountain from Kirra to Delphi, Delphi being 632 m above sea level and the snake unarguably having no issues falling from those heights so the potential energy goes decently into Low 7-B, even with its aging dilapidating body falling apart at places it seems to have no issues holding itself together (I say Python, it's more like 3 mechanical pythons forged out of the corpse of the original Python, Typhon's Son, who died fighting Apollo.
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No, the end part with Alecto. Kep calced it.
Yeah Kratos is Class G cause of this. Do we have more? Because even with this, 7-B still wouldn't be very consistent
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Technically that Class G would be Class T because square-cube law shenanigans.
Not too sure, most of the other feats involve storms but then there is the issue of the whole "does it scale to physicals via their magic system" thing.
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I said this too. We literally see the snake scale multiple mountains lol.
High 4-C Kratos so I can make him fight Android saga DB characters lol, but didn't the UES get accepted?
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It got accepted (Still needs a page made for it but yeah) but we still got no idea on the Furies dimension feat thingy.
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Yeah
Should probably move on this some other day.
All these years and I never noticed the sun in the background.
Well I guess Tishphone never actually physically fights, and we got evidence of Alecto's creations scaling to her physicals, so there's that. The furies profiles should be split up anyway since that was agreed in the descension thread last year
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TBF I looked at that Descension thread myself and the mere idea of scaling Alecto's beast form to a 6ft prehistoric fish that looked nothing like it is just ******* disingenuous, same thing with scaling up the gigantic minotaur to something else other than a bull. A lot of things in that thread were just badly rushed while taking a majority of the stuff in it out of context.
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Yeah that thread was wild lmfao and I almost went along with it. It was like UES stuff came outta nowhere
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There is Weakened Kratos yeeting the Colossus and that wields 8-A since it's larger than the IRL Colossus of Rhodes while using the Statue of Liberty to upscale from since they'e both of similar material composition with the in-game colossus being much larger and having heavy iron reinforcement which the IRL Colossus didn't and couldn't withstand earthquakes either. But the problem is, the Colossus is infused with Kratos's Tier 3/2 power and Kratos clearly wasn't having issues when shrunk down to size with it until after he had already killed it and taken back his godly powers into the Blade of Olympus.
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Yeah lol and you have an Island level feat when Kratos shakes the world with atlas Quake. But same problem, he's tier 3/2 at that point making this even harder.
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I guess Ignoring all consistency you'd get 5-C for Tishphone, High 4-C for Alecto and Megara?
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Wasn't it Megaera who made the Sparta dimension?
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I recall Tishphone but I can check again
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Yeah Tishphone
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Ah. I see.
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Sooooo......wat now? Do we just upgrade them to 5-C-High 4-C orrrrrr???
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Nah, we keep looking for more feats for Demigod Kratos.
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Well I guess 9-A Kratos it is then lol
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Yeah no not gonna happen. Even fodder soldiers are 8-C by tanking Zeus's lightning bolts.
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I was just bullshitting lol.
But I doubt we'd really find anything to gauge them on outside of the creation feats
But I doubt we'd really find anything to gauge them on outside of the creation feats
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Well maybe rereading the novels would help
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Yeah I'm sure there's weapons out there with better feats than the spear of Poseidon.
Although I think the hammer's the best shot.
Isn't the Greek world a giant disk? Could be calced
Although I think the hammer's the best shot.
Isn't the Greek world a giant disk? Could be calced
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It being a giant disk wouldn't necessarily alter it being the same mass as the Earth's crust at the bare minimum.
Then again, it approaches outlier levels unless you count in the moon/star dimensions as scaling to physicals, but if that goes through I guess you could indeed use the War Hammer of Atlas as a valid feat. Only problem then would be to calculate the speed of the hammer itself when it is struck.
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I remember hearing some1 say it's actually much larger than our earth, not sure if it's true tho.
Eh, I don't see why if the UES has been accepted and there seems to be no real consistent tier
Should I try to find some gameplay?
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I believe it's based on the Pegasus going Mach 14 for 6 days straight but that could be considered calc stacking, IDK. There's also the GoW Oceans being as deep to the 600+ meter tall titans as the IRL oceans are to us so...
Something something not all magic operates in the same way as that of the gods or something like that.
If you can. But I doubt it'd be faster than IRL hammer swings.
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Actually, Kep seems to have done this himself.
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Though some of the parameters are outdated now. We have confirmed heights for the Titans being 600+ meters via being of similar size to Cronos (He's 604.367 meters as per the game files, Greek Kratos being 7ft 8in or 2.341036 meters), so we can get arm length from that alone. From there on I guess we can use the time frame of an IRL swing, do some rotational KE magic and get values from there I suppose.
God of War: Atlas Swings a Hammer
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Though some of the parameters are outdated now. We have confirmed heights for the Titans being 600+ meters via being of similar size to Cronos (He's 604.367 meters as per the game files, Greek Kratos being 7ft 8in or 2.341036 meters), so we can get arm length from that alone. From there on I guess we can use the time frame of an IRL swing, do some rotational KE magic and get values from there I suppose.
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Honestly, using 44% of total height to find Atlas's arm would be a disservice given that Greek GOW was drawn with comic book proportions (Even his arm fisted exceeds 46% based from the full body shots in GOW2, it's not like his body structure would change even if he shifts sizes), but I'mma do it anyway.
Atlas is 604.367 meters. 44% that is 265.92148 meters. This is not the full length of his arm but rather the length of his arm fisted, but I don't think we'd use full length up to the finger tip in this case anyway because he'd be grabbing his hammer with his hand.
Atlas is 604.367 meters. Greek dudes seem to be 2.34 meters on average when scaling up to Kratos. It'd be safe to assume that those dudes bulked up would be 360-400 lbs. This dude is only 16 cm shorter than Kratos yet is already 330 lbs.
I'll just use the 2.18 m 330 lb dude as a lowball.
((604.367/2.18)^3) * 330= 6.20236266407e+9 lbs or 2.813344380395025e+9 kg (Class G).
This site tells me total arm is 5.77% of total mass. (5.7 is an error, forearm+hand is 2.52% and upper arm is 3.25%)
2.813344380395025e+9 * 0.0577= 1.62329970749e+8 kg.
Atlas has two extra arms so (1.62329970749e+8 * 2) + 2.813344380395025e+9= 3.13800432189e+9 kg
But we don't need that. We just need the arm. Arm mass is completely ******* irrelevant LMFAO we just need the crust mass of 2.7e+22 kg.
Inertia: Total mass * (radius^2)
Radius would be the the length of the hammer + Atlas's arm
Let's just assume the hammer length is scaled up to the size of Atlas. Sledgehammers can be a meter in length. Males are 1.71 m worldwide.
1/1.71= 0.58479532163 ratio (Weirdly fits with the Ascension videos you showed so LOL)
Atlas to hammer ratio: 604.367 * 0.58479532163 = 353.430994148 m
Length total: 353.430994148 + 265.92148= 619.352474148 m
Total mass: (2.7e+22 + 3.13800432189e+9)= Still 2.7e+22 kg. Atlas's arm makes no difference here. F.
Inertia: 2.7e+22 * (619.352474148^2) = 1.0357132e+28 kg*m^2
Angular velocity time. The videos you gave show the Redeemed Warrior strike with a 180 degree angle. Atlas would no doubt be able to do the same.
'Kay so as per that... the above video (30FPS) starts the swing at frame 471 and ends at frame 480. 9 frames.
Timeframe= 9/30= 0.3 seconds of swing timeframe.
Angular velocity: 180deg/0.3= 10.4719755 rad/sec
Rotational KE = 0.5 * l * w^2, where w is the angular velocity and l is the moment of inertia around the axis of rotation
RKE = 0.5 * 1.0357132e+28 * (10.4719755^2) = 5.6789331e+29 J (Moon level)
LMFAO.
But still, I don't think we need Atlas for this, the hammer is still straight up said to carry the weight of the world regardless of who wields it. We just need the Redeemed Warrior and their arm length.
2.341036 * .44 = 1.03 m arm length (Low ball because wacky gorilla comic book proportions, this is only arm length in fisted form, not the full length upto the tip)
Hammer length: 2.341036 * 0.58479532163= 1.3690269 m hammer
Total length: 1.3690269+1.03= 2.3990269 m. Rounding off to 2.4 m.
Inertia: 2.77e+22 * (2.4^2)= 1.59552e+23 kg*m^2
Angular velocity, same as before, 10.4719755 rad/sec
RKE: 0.5 * 1.59552e+23 * (10.4719755^2)= 8.7484173e+24 J (6-A, Continent level)
****.
DON'T ASK ME TO CALCULATE FORCE FROM THIS, LAST I RECALL YOU CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE. JUST SCALE 'EM TO THE MASS OF THE HAMMER IF NEED BE.
Atlas is 604.367 meters. 44% that is 265.92148 meters. This is not the full length of his arm but rather the length of his arm fisted, but I don't think we'd use full length up to the finger tip in this case anyway because he'd be grabbing his hammer with his hand.
I'll just use the 2.18 m 330 lb dude as a lowball.
((604.367/2.18)^3) * 330= 6.20236266407e+9 lbs or 2.813344380395025e+9 kg (Class G).
This site tells me total arm is 5.77% of total mass. (5.7 is an error, forearm+hand is 2.52% and upper arm is 3.25%)
2.813344380395025e+9 * 0.0577= 1.62329970749e+8 kg.
Atlas has two extra arms so (1.62329970749e+8 * 2) + 2.813344380395025e+9= 3.13800432189e+9 kg
But we don't need that. We just need the arm
Inertia: Total mass * (radius^2)
Radius would be the the length of the hammer + Atlas's arm
Let's just assume the hammer length is scaled up to the size of Atlas. Sledgehammers can be a meter in length. Males are 1.71 m worldwide.
1/1.71= 0.58479532163 ratio (Weirdly fits with the Ascension videos you showed so LOL)
Atlas to hammer ratio: 604.367 * 0.58479532163 = 353.430994148 m
Length total: 353.430994148 + 265.92148= 619.352474148 m
Total mass: (2.7e+22 + 3.13800432189e+9)= Still 2.7e+22 kg. Atlas's arm makes no difference here. F.
Inertia: 2.7e+22 * (619.352474148^2) = 1.0357132e+28 kg*m^2
Angular velocity time. The videos you gave show the Redeemed Warrior strike with a 180 degree angle. Atlas would no doubt be able to do the same.
'Kay so as per that... the above video (30FPS) starts the swing at frame 471 and ends at frame 480. 9 frames.
Timeframe= 9/30= 0.3 seconds of swing timeframe.
Angular velocity: 180deg/0.3= 10.4719755 rad/sec
Rotational KE = 0.5 * l * w^2, where w is the angular velocity and l is the moment of inertia around the axis of rotation
RKE = 0.5 * 1.0357132e+28 * (10.4719755^2) = 5.6789331e+29 J (Moon level)
LMFAO.
But still, I don't think we need Atlas for this, the hammer is still straight up said to carry the weight of the world regardless of who wields it. We just need the Redeemed Warrior and their arm length.
2.341036 * .44 = 1.03 m arm length (Low ball because wacky gorilla comic book proportions, this is only arm length in fisted form, not the full length upto the tip)
Hammer length: 2.341036 * 0.58479532163= 1.3690269 m hammer
Total length: 1.3690269+1.03= 2.3990269 m. Rounding off to 2.4 m.
Inertia: 2.77e+22 * (2.4^2)= 1.59552e+23 kg*m^2
Angular velocity, same as before, 10.4719755 rad/sec
RKE: 0.5 * 1.59552e+23 * (10.4719755^2)= 8.7484173e+24 J (6-A, Continent level)
****.
DON'T ASK ME TO CALCULATE FORCE FROM THIS, LAST I RECALL YOU CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE. JUST SCALE 'EM TO THE MASS OF THE HAMMER IF NEED BE.
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Welcome back 6-A GOW....
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Technically speaking, one could wank this to High 3-A because "infinite sky" LEL
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And it doesn't help that all the flowery descriptions are confirmed to be literal.
Not to mention our trusty Star containing dimension.
Wow. We'd make more progress with the world tree shenanigans at this point
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I just thought up a sorta simple and possible answer as to why Kratos could travel to different pantheons as if it's normal. There was nothing to maintain the belief system within the Greek world (little to no people or Gods) and so it simply became a dead pantheon. Being a dead pantheon means Kratos no longer has a pantheon to call home and therefore is not restricted to it meaning he can go in and out of any pantheon as if he's just a regular person using a boat or airplane going into another country.
I think Odin is playing the long game and wants Ragnarok to happen and this might also be one of the reasons why, so he and/or Asgard doesn't need a Unity Stone or anything to travel between the pantheons to go on a conquering spree and wage war. I also think there might be a chance Mimir is in on the plan with Odin.
I think Odin is playing the long game and wants Ragnarok to happen and this might also be one of the reasons why, so he and/or Asgard doesn't need a Unity Stone or anything to travel between the pantheons to go on a conquering spree and wage war. I also think there might be a chance Mimir is in on the plan with Odin.
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