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This thread is long, so I’ll just restate the final arguments for everyone’s convenience.
The current page for Arceus, uses an incomplete quote to justify that Arceus has every moveset, ability, and power of all pokemon and non-pokemon.
The complete quote references to just Arceus changing his type.
It has been argued that the plates give Arceus all powers, abilities, and moves. However none of the statements have directly said any of this. The closest statement is a single translation that says, “has the power of everything” with no other supporting detail. This same line has been translated as supreme power, power of creation. The line is most likely refer to the plate having the power of all type, as the essence of each type is in them and allows Arceus to change type.
some other contradictions to this assertion that the plates provide every single power, move, and ability in the franchise are these:
1. pokemon existed before the plates. The plates were created from the shards of the universe, but pokemon predate the universe. These pokemon had powers and abilities, and moves before the plate existed so their power doesn’t come from the plate.
2. the plates are infused with the power of giants. These giants are not said to be created by anyone, invluding Arceus so it is erroneous to claim the power of everything comes from just Arceus.
3. arceus cannot learn every move. In fact, there are moves that Arceus cannot learn that the creation trio can. This means that even pokemon that were created by Arceus have power that’s independent to him. Mew can learn any move in the franchise, and this is expressed in the games by Mew learning every teachable move. If the creators of the pokemon series expressed their belief that Arceus can use every move, they would express that by allowing Arceus to learn every teachable move but they specifically did not.
4. Arceus has only shown to have one ability in the main games, anime, and manga. Besides Pokemon Conquest, a spin-off where he was three distinct abilites, Arceus always have his one ability and has never once in canon shown to have other abilities like (speed boost, shield dust, wonder guard). Arceus has only shown to use the plates to change his type and use the general abilites of said type for ex. He changes to a water type and uses the plate to use water manipulation. He has never shown to use the plate to gain an ability like swift-swim.
5. If the theory of the plates giving everything their power is true, that theory requires all beings to remotely draw power from the plates. Yet, Arceus cannot draw power from the plates when they are not in his position. Why can every being remotely draw power from the plates but not Arceus? Its very obvious that Beings do not get their powers from the plate but are rather born with it
6. the profile is picking and choosing which abilities to give Arceus. Abilites are passive or conditional. Most cannot be turned off and on. Yet, the profile does not give Arceus abilties such as Klutz (which would prevent him from holding the plates), Slow Start, which halves his power and speed, Truant, which requires him to rest after each move. Contrary, which forces boosts to be weakeners, and other abilities. Its apparent that the idea that the plates give arceus every power in existence is used to pad Arceus profile to make him more powerful and not as a way to accurately reflect source material, or those abilities would be written as weaknesses on his profile. The counter argument that Arceus chooses which ability to use and activate is not supported by any statement or showing in the source material.
7. The one line that maybe supports the idea that pokemon get their abilities from the plates, " " has several translations that clarify that is about Arceus specifically gaining power from the plates:
8. there are no direct statements thats say every being in pokemon get all their powers from the plates. Its bases is taking a single statement and stretching it to its most highest interpretation with no supporting details and many contradictions. The sing
The current page for Arceus, uses an incomplete quote to justify that Arceus has every moveset, ability, and power of all pokemon and non-pokemon.
The complete quote references to just Arceus changing his type.
It has been argued that the plates give Arceus all powers, abilities, and moves. However none of the statements have directly said any of this. The closest statement is a single translation that says, “has the power of everything” with no other supporting detail. This same line has been translated as supreme power, power of creation. The line is most likely refer to the plate having the power of all type, as the essence of each type is in them and allows Arceus to change type.
some other contradictions to this assertion that the plates provide every single power, move, and ability in the franchise are these:
1. pokemon existed before the plates. The plates were created from the shards of the universe, but pokemon predate the universe. These pokemon had powers and abilities, and moves before the plate existed so their power doesn’t come from the plate.
2. the plates are infused with the power of giants. These giants are not said to be created by anyone, invluding Arceus so it is erroneous to claim the power of everything comes from just Arceus.
3. arceus cannot learn every move. In fact, there are moves that Arceus cannot learn that the creation trio can. This means that even pokemon that were created by Arceus have power that’s independent to him. Mew can learn any move in the franchise, and this is expressed in the games by Mew learning every teachable move. If the creators of the pokemon series expressed their belief that Arceus can use every move, they would express that by allowing Arceus to learn every teachable move but they specifically did not.
4. Arceus has only shown to have one ability in the main games, anime, and manga. Besides Pokemon Conquest, a spin-off where he was three distinct abilites, Arceus always have his one ability and has never once in canon shown to have other abilities like (speed boost, shield dust, wonder guard). Arceus has only shown to use the plates to change his type and use the general abilites of said type for ex. He changes to a water type and uses the plate to use water manipulation. He has never shown to use the plate to gain an ability like swift-swim.
5. If the theory of the plates giving everything their power is true, that theory requires all beings to remotely draw power from the plates. Yet, Arceus cannot draw power from the plates when they are not in his position. Why can every being remotely draw power from the plates but not Arceus? Its very obvious that Beings do not get their powers from the plate but are rather born with it
6. the profile is picking and choosing which abilities to give Arceus. Abilites are passive or conditional. Most cannot be turned off and on. Yet, the profile does not give Arceus abilties such as Klutz (which would prevent him from holding the plates), Slow Start, which halves his power and speed, Truant, which requires him to rest after each move. Contrary, which forces boosts to be weakeners, and other abilities. Its apparent that the idea that the plates give arceus every power in existence is used to pad Arceus profile to make him more powerful and not as a way to accurately reflect source material, or those abilities would be written as weaknesses on his profile. The counter argument that Arceus chooses which ability to use and activate is not supported by any statement or showing in the source material.
7. The one line that maybe supports the idea that pokemon get their abilities from the plates, " " has several translations that clarify that is about Arceus specifically gaining power from the plates:
English: “The powers of Plates are shared among Pokémon.”
Spanish: "Al Pokémon surgido del Huevo, las tablas agracian con su poder"
Translation: "To the Pokémon that emerged from the Egg, the plates grace with their power"
French: Le pouvoir des plaques fut conféré au Pokémon qui naquit de l’Œuf.
Translation: The power of the plates was conferred on the Pokémon that was born from the Egg.
Italian: Il Pokémon appena nato poté attingere al potere delle lastre.
Translation: The newborn Pokémon could tap into the power of the plates.
German: Als das Pokémon aus dem Ei schlüpfte, wurde ihm die Kraft der Tafeln zuteil.
Translation: When the Pokémon hatched from the egg, it was given the power of the tablets.
8. there are no direct statements thats say every being in pokemon get all their powers from the plates. Its bases is taking a single statement and stretching it to its most highest interpretation with no supporting details and many contradictions. The sing
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