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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Emirp sumitpo said:
He only downscales from the serious punch squared via spatial manip. I'm talking to early cosmic Garou before he killed Genos.

We do need to put in a blog. @TheRustyOne would you mind if I do so?
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I don't mind.

Obviously I'm in agreement with Blast being 4-A via the inverse square law. Unless someone can provide a reason on why Blast wouldn't scale when he was hit and thrown back by that energy. He was shown to be inside of the "gate/portal" thing, and was blow away by the energy when their fist met. So it clearly hit him.

IDK about Garou scaling to him.
 
Kachon123 said:
Garou tanked multiple attacks.
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That's not really a good argument for Garou scaling tho, since AP doesn't automatically scales to durability.

I still think Garou staing he surpassed Blast and Blast having to actively defend himself against Garou's attacks should make it proof.

It'd be like this:

Blast:
Attack potency: Multi-Solar System level (Able to harm an early Cosmic Awakened Garou), higher with Spatial Manipulation (Was able to contain the power of the Serious Punch Squared for a limited amount of time)

Durability: Multi-Solar System level (Survived a portion of the Serious Punch Squared)
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Garou:
Attack potency: Multi-Solar System level (Forced Blast to use his defenses against Garou, and Garou even stating he had surpassed Blast. Created a Black Hole), higher with Power Mimicry (Copied and evenly matched Saitama's Serious Punch, generating an explosion that annihilated millions of stars), even higher with Reactive Evolution (Grew exponentially in power while mimicking Saitama's limitlessly increasing strength)

Durability: Multi-Solar System level, higher with Power Mimicry (Survived several attacks from a Bloodlusted Saitama), even higher with Reactive Evolution
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We should alsoo probably insert what AP value these characters scale to on their AP sections so people don't get confused
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
That's not really a good argument for Garou scaling tho, since AP doesn't automatically scales to durability.

I still think Garou staing he surpassed Blast and Blast having to actively defend himself against Garou's attacks should make it proof.

It'd be like this:

Blast:


Garou:
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this does not work at all
Cosmic Garou's best feat he did without copying is the gamma ray burst, the 4-A feat is a massive amp he got from copying a serious punch, which happened AFTER the blast fight
in no way beside dura does it scale to blast. Additionally, the spatial manipulation would go in dura not AP, since the portals don't really output force, they just had the durability to not break when containing it.
 
ZillertheBucko said:
Cosmic Garou's best feat he did without copying is the gamma ray burst, the 4-A feat is a massive amp he got from copying a serious punch, which happened AFTER the blast fight
in no way beside dura does it scale to blast. Additionally, the spatial manipulation would go in dura not AP, since the portals don't really output force, they just had the durability to not break when containing it.
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?

The 4-A value Blast scales to is significantly below the 4-A value Saitama and Power Mimicry garou scale to. It doesn't contradict anything

Spatial Manip being dura is fair IG
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Except why? He tanks a potion of it. Therefore he scales to a portion of it. I don't understand your point
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His AP doesn't scale to his durability I meant
sure, he tanked the blast, but he never went on to show that he could dish out that same force AP wise
I agree with dura but I think it's best to leave his AP at most high 4-C (or whatever gamma ray burst was) until new scaling's shown for him in the future
 
ZillertheBucko said:
His AP doesn't scale to his durability I meant
sure, he tanked the blast, but he never went on to show that he could dish out that same force AP wise
I agree with dura but I think it's best to leave his AP at most high 4-C (or whatever gamma ray burst was) until new scaling's shown for him in the future
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Which is why I argued:

Emirp sumitpo said:
I still think Garou staing he surpassed Blast and Blast having to actively defend himself against Garou's attacks should make it proof.
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And Blast proceeded to harm Garou
 
although you could make the argument that maybe portal dura could be relative to gravity knuckle AP, in which case his AP could theoretically downscale hard from the serious punch squared, which is one route of doing things (which ironically would make him scale to a much greater AP value) but I need to find some evidence of that
 
ZillertheBucko said:
I don't remember him harming garou after he was amped to 4-A tho, or am I missing something
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I never said he harmed Garou after Garou got amped tho?

  • Blast survived a portion of the Serious Punch Squared 4-A explosion, which results in a lower level of 4-A. His durability is gotten via Inverse Square law
  • Base Garou forced Blast to defend himself against Base Garou's attacks, implying Base Garou can harm Blast's durability.
  • Base Garou's durability should be equal to his attack potency
  • Blast can harm Base Garou
 
@Emirp sumitpo I guess that seems fine.

Can someone list the whatever Foe value for Blast's Durability? 3.98942108e62 Joules is his durability with the inverse square law. The serous punch is 1.1178994e+65 joules. But I'd like to see this in Foe or whatever value. That way it's easier to understand for me.

I'm having some issues trying to figure this out. The TeraFoe value on the Serious Punch Square calc is confusing me.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
I never said he harmed Garou after Garou got amped tho?

  • Blast survived a portion of the Serious Punch Squared 4-A explosion, which results in a lower level of 4-A. His durability is gotten via Inverse Square law
  • Base Garou forced Blast to defend himself against Base Garou's attacks, implying Base Garou can harm Blast's durability.
  • Base Garou's durability should be equal to his attack potency
  • Blast can harm Base Garou
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ok, that's cool actually
still, maybe if gravity knuckle scales to portals it could end up being a higher value in 4-A
 
TheRustyOne said:
@Emirp sumitpo I guess that seems fine.

Can someone list the whatever Foe value for Blast's Durability? 3.98942108e62 Joules is his durability with the inverse square law. The serous punch is 1.1178994e+65 joules. But I'd like to see this in Foe or whatever value. That way it's easier to understand for me.

I'm having some issues trying to figure this out. The TeraFoe value on the Serious Punch Square calc is confusing me.
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Ok so changes to make:

  • Io ping pong speed
  • 5-A, possibly High 4-C now becomes 4-A
Emirp sumitpo said:
It'd be like this:

Blast:

Garou:
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Saitama doesn't have any rating changes. But we should place the AP values so people will not get confused
 
Blast and Garou would be scaling to 3.98942108e62 Joules, which is more than 200X weaker than the Serious Punch Squared.

4-A is a really big tier. Also I'm certain the TeraFoe value listed in the Serious Punch Squared calc is wrong.

The joules is fine, but I think the OP thought that TeraFoe and ZettaFoe were right after each other. Because half of 1.1178994e+65 Joules isn't 558 TeraFoe.

The calc doesn't need to be changed, the TeraFoe label they gave is just wrong.
 
Kachon123 said:
Finished the calc.

Low End (Peak Human Reactions timeframe): 8.02115312c

Mid End (Garou-Platinum Sperm Constellation timeframe: 617.01178c

High End (Shockwaves seem frozen timeframe): 275125.731c

Super High End ("Shockwaves" are light, as they were called light structures in 155): 18497547800c
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The gap between each of those ends is hilarious lmfao
 
Anyway I'd probably go with Mid or Low end.

The high ends are a bit too far fetched without further evidence.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
That's not really a good argument for Garou scaling tho, since AP doesn't automatically scales to durability.

I still think Garou staing he surpassed Blast and Blast having to actively defend himself against Garou's attacks should make it proof.

It'd be like this:

Blast:


Garou:
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Saitama was NOT bloodlusted. I would riot if this gets through
 
Matthew_Schroeder said:
Base Garou and Blast being 4-A doesn't make any sense. Garou only became that strong after copying Saitama's Serious Series.
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What can't Blast can't be over 200X weaker than Saitama and Garou (Power Copied)?

It being 4-A isn't relevant, what would matter is how close he was. 4-A is a massively sized tier.

He's scaling way below even 1% of their power output. They can effortlessly one shot him. So I don't think there is an issue of him scaling too close to them or anything.
 
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