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So have you reached any new conclusions here, and if so, what?
Also, about this...
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Honkai Impact 3rd potential upgrade?
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Not a good comparison, and also not entirely true. The Selene had also already triggered an explosion with its energy by this point due to Otto's sabotage in 1955. Additionally, it's capabilities are known because the equation for its power was quite literally located, they don't have to scan anything they have the answer available, this is nothing like assuming people can just tell exactly how much energy someone has without said energy coming from them like we've seen everytime.
You mean the beams that didn't harm her because they were blocked? Being defended against proves they're not strong now? Does this mean Goku's attacks other than like, his Kamehameha don't scale to whatever his tier is because his opponent can typically defend against ot tank some? Because that's the exact same logic.
This is another weird leap in logic "Sirin blocks these and so they must be proof he's not this tier" especially when he was going to use his actual physical fist to hit her at one point, and it could have harmed her if he landed the hit, so it's not like only his black hole can harm her.
Yes, because this is a story and people sometimes have lower end feats, even if he were multi continental or whatever, he'd still be significantly stronger than this nuke and not need to defend against it logically, so is he like tier 7 then, is that what you're trying to say by bringing it up?
This also doesn’t really matter because she survived a hit from someone she's weaker than no matter their tier, this doesn't really help as evidence against the tier. Even if he were still tier 6 she's vastly weaker than him, and survived being torn open from the inside by him, she just survives a lot in the manga, and even then, her injuries were treated as a major thing to her.
To be entirely honest here, I've spent the past however long addressing every single point you made, including by using quotes or pages from the manga, and your response has been grasping at unsubstantiated alternate explanations or whatever low end outlier you can find to argue they can't be the tier, and switching them to something new when they're addressed. Considering you've already made it clear in discord prior that you just don't like them being 4-B, I don't see much reason to continue this, as it's been made pretty evident your response to quite literally anything shown is going to be to try and respond with something else to keep this going. You're not even attempting to convince me, and I'm not going to manage to convince you no matter what I show or say clearly.
People, including staff, have agreed with the thread already, Avenger also has expressed that he still agrees with it in spite of what's been said, I think that's enough to just move on at this point rather than sit here going in a circle
The only pages with a tier 1 rating currently are, to my knowledge
Will of the Honkai
Durandal
Murata Ryusuke
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Thank you. I will lock them then.
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I think that's it for the thread then, the ratings and such are applied, pages locked again, and stuff was addressed
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Ask Ovens I suppose
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Actually, I want to acknowledge your debating skills and your in-depth knowledge of the series. You have in fact convinced me of at least supernova/star level things, and of course FTL, if not necessarily solar system. Let's say no more on this and just enjoy the new upgrades to the verse. I look forward to using them off-site.
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Not sure how it doesn't suggest anything of the sort when it says that Herrschers have enough energy to create a bubble universe that's the size of a solar system.
Microcosm in this context is reffering to the bubble universe.
That's very common for anime, plus that animation is non-canon.
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He knew it wouldn't actually detonate, he planned for Sirin to take his core.
He is using Honkai energy to do it, which he uses for literally everything else,too.
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He would usually throw out more, because it was literally him after he lost a vast majority of his powers.
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Well glad I could at least convince you of that much, good man, you asked good questions with the science stuff for speed of light and black holes and such
It would seem like there's not for now, no
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They were both basically both completely out of Honkai energy at the time. Also, even if you could take a nuke, you probably wouldn't prefer to.
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Okay. I will close this thread then, as you requested.
Thank you to everybody who helped out here.
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