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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
Egues=/=Eques

Are you okay man
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Dereck03 said:
A................... I misread sorry then.
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Fixxed said:
This is my proposal for 2A tier for every bubble

First we must know that the bubble have infinite in size, so by logic bubble can contain everything until infinite. Bubble are desribe being endless,no end from the novel and have infinite sky from the author it self
黒穹に『神々の蒼穹』が描き足される。
「どこまでも引き延ばされる黒穹に終わりはない」
　The "Azure Sky of the Gods" is added to the black sky.
There is no end to the black sky, which is stretched out forever.
背後を振り返れば、そこにあるのは果てしなく巨大な、銀の光を放つ丸い泡だ。
魔眼めを凝らしてみれば、確かに創造神ミリティアの魔力が見える。
この銀の泡が、俺たちがいた世界。
つまり、その外へ出たのだ。
　Looking back, there is an endless, gigantic, round bubble with a silver glow.
　If you look closely with your magical eyes, you can certainly see the magical power of Militia, the creator god.
　This silver bubble is the world we were in.
　In other words, we went out of it.
There are many layers in the Silver Sea, and there are countless bubbles in each layer, and there is an infinite sky in each bubble. There, it stretches on endlessly with no end, and it is where that world's gods are located.
Each god has its own world, and there is a deeper world, the world of the Chief God or the abyssal world.
Just to clarify endless is mean infinite, i get it from this thread:

And in bubble there are countless santuaries of god
「ふむ。まあ、外といっても様々だ。お前たちが生まれたのは、樹理廻庭園ダ・ク・カダーテの一つ、枯焉砂漠。樹理廻庭園には更に三つの神域があり、その外には数多無数の神域がある。そこは神々の蒼穹と呼ばれる、神族たちの国。神界の門をくぐれば、俺が生まれた魔族の国や、人間の国がある」
"Hmmm. Well, there are many ways to say outside. You were born in the Karewake Desert, one of the gardens of the Da Ku Kadate. There are three more sanctuaries in the Garden of Arboriculture, and countless sanctuaries outside of the Garden of Arboriculture. It is called the azure sky of the gods, the land of the god clans. If you pass through the gates of the divine realms, you will find the land of the demon tribe in which I was born and the land of human beings."

Santuaries is have universal size and have they own time and space, even they stated to be a different dimension. Like 3 example i whould give:

Future World Nafta
This santuaries have it own time dimension because it have own timeline of future. This santuaries is another form/shape of world and it size is equal to the size of world. To destroy it you must destroy all possibilities of future. When anos destroy it with egil grone, the mortal world (real world) is not get the effect it is mean future world nafta is different world from the mortal world. Even the god of time cannot manipulate time in this world, it mean the time is different from time in mortal world
「＜未来世水晶＞カンダクイゾルテは、この世界の数多の未来、それは世界の形に等しいでしょう。あなたの行いは、世界と自分とどちらが先に滅ぶか比べようというもの。結論は火を見るよりも明らかでしょう」
"<Future Crystal> Kandakuisorte is the numerous futures of this world, which will be equal to the shape of the world. Your deed is to compare which will perish first, the world or yourself. The conclusion will be clearer than fire."
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「ナフタは宣誓します。現在がここにある限り、未来は滅びようとも何度でも蘇る。＜未来世水晶＞を滅ぼすには、あらゆる可能性を滅ぼすしかありません」
水晶の破片がみるみる数を増して、まるで輝く砂嵐のように、この場を包み込んでいく。
「其はあり得たかもしれぬ、もう一つの世界の形。咎人よ、汝を、限局世界の刑に処す」
水晶の砂嵐が過ぎ去れば、途端に風景が変わった。
そこは見知らぬ街である。すべての建物、すべての植物、すべての人々が、水晶で作られている。
遠くに見える山や、彼方の天蓋、流れる河川までもが水晶だった。
その一つ一つから、途方もない魔力を感じる。
「ふむ。カンダクイゾルテで作られた世界か」
「ナフタは宣誓します。この世界は、すべてがあなたにとって最悪の結果になるように限局します。あなたの勝利はこの世界では選ばれません」
"Nafta takes an oath. As long as the present is here, the future will rise again and again, even if it is destroyed. The only way to destroy the <Future Crystal> is to destroy all possibilities."
　The shards of the crystal are growing in number and enveloping the place like a shining sandstorm.
"It is another form of the world that could have been. I sentence thee, O man of iniquity, to the punishment of a limited world."
　As soon as the crystal sandstorm passed, the landscape changed.
　It was a strange city. Every building, every plant, every person was made of crystal.
　Even the mountains in the distance, the canopy in the distance, and the flowing rivers were made of crystal.
　I could feel tremendous magical power from each and every one of them.
"Hm. A world made of kandaquisorte."
"Nafta swears. Nafta swears to you that this world will be limited so that everything will turn out for the worst for you. Your victory will not be chosen in this world."
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「ゆえに、その目を開き、くれぐれもうまく限局するのだな。この魔法を放ったが最後、最悪でもカンダクイゾルテの世界は滅ぶ」
言葉もなく、呆然とこちらへ顔を向ける未来神へ、俺は言った。
「限局できねば、現実の世界ごと滅び去る」
黒き粒子が砲塔を中心に七重の螺旋を描く。
水晶の地面に底の見えぬ亀裂が入る。
亀裂の先もまた見えず、それは限局世界を文字通り、二つに割っていた。
"Therefore, open your eyes and be careful to limit it well. If you unleash this magic, at the very worst, the world of Kandakuisorte will be destroyed."
　I said to the god of the future, who turned his face toward me, speechless and dumbfounded.
"If you can't limit it, the whole real world will be destroyed."
　Black particles spiraled seven times around the turret.
　A bottomless crack appears in the crystal ground.
　The end of the crack was also invisible, and it literally split the localized world in two.
「時間だ。奴ら二人の時間が恐ろしいほどの速度で流れている。だからこそ、奴ら自身の動きは遅いが、私どもには速く映る。遅くとも速い、という矛盾が成立する」
「……まさか、未来を司るナフタの限局世界で、自分たちだけ先の未来へ辿り着けるはずが……時の番神エウゴ・ラ・ラヴィアズとて、ここでは時間の操作は不可能なはず……！？」
"It's time. The two of them are moving at a frightening speed. That's why they themselves are slow, but to us they seem fast. The paradox of slow and fast is formed."
"......It is not possible that we alone can reach the future in the limited world of Nafta, who controls the future. ...... Even Eugo La Raviaz, the god of time, cannot manipulate time here. ......!

Land Of Traces
This santuaries have it own past and history, it can contain a infinite size in just one book only, there are many book in land of traces that contain every past of everything. It size is also boundless or infinite. Anos destroy it and the mortal world is not get effect, its mean land of traces is another world/different world from mortal world. Time get destorted in this world and no matter how many you rewrite time, land of traces will not change, even is useless to use time magic in this land. This mean time in land of traces are different from mortal world
天蓋が頭上を覆っている。
痕跡神の夢の中で見た、あの本の荒野だ。
果てなき大地には、どこまでも遠く巨大な棚が並び、そびえ立つ。
その中心に立っていたのは、純白の本を手にし、厳かな衣装を纏った神族。
痕跡神リーバルシュネッド。
そして、傍らに跪き、祈りを捧げるのは、教皇ゴルロアナである。
俺は荒野の大地に着地すると、まっすぐ視線を二人に向けた。
A canopy covers overhead.
　It is that wilderness of books that I saw in the dream of the god of traces.
　Huge shelves lined and towered over the endless land, far and wide.
　Standing in the center of it all, holding a pure white book in his hand and dressed in a solemn costume, was the God Tribe.
　Leibalschnedd, the god of traces.
　And kneeling beside him, praying, was Pope Gorloana.
　I landed on the wilderness ground and turned my gaze straight to them.
「時を歪めたか」
魔眼めを凝らし、その深淵を見つめながら、言う。
「然り。痕跡の大地では、未来には辿り着かぬ。我が信徒、ゴルロアナの命は過去に刻まれたまま、決して滅ぶことはない」
「ふむ。つまり、お前を先に片付ければいいわけだろう」
「然り。されど、我もまた不滅なり。この身は、痕跡の秩序。万物の過去なのだ。時を何度塗り替えようと、そこにあったという事実は変わらぬ」
すでに過ぎ去った存在、記録と記憶が痕跡神の秩序。
奴を滅ぼすには、過去を改変するのが望ましいだろうが、その秩序を司る神を相手に時間魔法で挑んでも勝ち目はあるまい。
奴は確かにここにいた。
その事実は、なにがどうあろうと変わりはしない。
"Have you distorted time?"
　He says, staring into the depths of the abyss with his evil eye.
"Yes, he said. In the land of traces, the future cannot be reached. The life of my follower, Gorloana, is etched in the past and will never perish."
"Hm. So, I guess I'll just have to get rid of you first."
"Yes. But I, too, am immortal. This body is the order of traces. I am the past of all things. No matter how many times I rewrite time, the fact remains that it was there."
　The existence that has already passed away, records and memories are the order of the god of traces.
　To destroy him, it would be desirable to alter the past, but there is no way to win by using time magic against the god who control order.
　He was certainly here.
　That fact will never change, no matter what.
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ここは時の秩序の狂った世界。
ならば、多少の本気を出しても問題あるまい。
This is a world where the time has gone mad.
　Then, there is no problem to be a little serious.
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「この大地よりも大きな足形をつけてやればいい。元の痕跡は踏みつぶされて消え、新たにつけられた足跡は、この大地に収まりきらぬ。つまり、痕跡の秩序が乱れるというわけだ」
「不可能なり。ここは世界のすべてがあまさず収まる痕跡の大地。時の始まりより、今日にいたるまでの痕跡は七億年。それを百度繰り返すだけの器が、すわなち、この大地の広さなり。それよりも大きな痕跡など、この天地に存在せぬ」
"Let them make footprints bigger than the earth. The original footprints will be crushed, and the new footprints will not fit in the earth. In other words, the order of the traces would be disturbed."
"Impossible. This is the land of traces where everything in the world fits together. From the beginning of time to the present day, there have been traces for 700 million years. The size of this land is a vessel that can repeat this process a hundred times. There is no trace greater than that in the whole of the earth."
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「……痕跡の大地が……神が作りし、無辺なる世界が……踏みつぶされ……た…………」
呆然と呟くゴルロアナに、俺は言った。
「七〇〇億年の痕跡を刻む神の大地も、俺の七歩には耐えられなかったようだな」
"...... the land of traces ...... God made, the boundless world ...... was crushed ...... was ............."
　I said to Gorloana, who muttered in dismay.
"The Land of God, which has carved seven billion years of traces, could not withstand my seven steps, it seems."

Memiya Shinto
This santuaries is another world with different dimension, this world is also contain sun in it
「太陽」
ミーシャが頭上を見上げ、手で光を遮りながら言った。
「……なにあれ……？」
「すごいぞ」
サーシャとエレオノールが声を上げ、天を見つめる。
そこは、広大な海だ。
波打つ水面が、空のように広がっており、その奥には確かに太陽らしき影が見える。
「空が海とは、また変わった場所だな」
「……あの神界の門が、この異界につながってたってことよね……？」
サーシャが、確認するように言葉をこぼす。
『ようこそ、ゼシア、エレオノール。それから、魔王アノス』
エンネスオーネがこちらを振り向き、歓迎するように言った。
少女の頭の小さな翼がファサッと動く。
『ここは、芽宮神都がきゅうしんとフォースロナルリーフ』
幼い声で、彼女は告げる。
『神々の蒼穹へ続く神域の一つなの』
「ふむ。神界の門と神々の蒼穹には、狭間があると聞いているが、この都がそうか？」
『うん。この神都の深層にもう一つの神界の門があるの。そこが神々の蒼穹につながってるよ？』
芽宮神都フォースロナルリーフといったか。
神界の門をくぐったすぐ先にあるのなら、知っていそうなものだが、聞き覚えはない。
"The sun."
　Misha looked up overhead, blocking the light with his hand and said.
"...... what is that ......?"
"It's amazing!"
Sasha and Eleonor raised their voices and stared at the heavens.
　It is a vast ocean.
　The rippling surface of the water is as wide as the sky, and behind it, there is indeed a shadow that looks like the sun.
"The sky is the sea, another unusual place."
"......That means that the gate of the divine world was connected to this other world, right ......?"
　Sasha spills the words as if to confirm.
"Welcome, Zessiah and Eleonor, and also the Demon King Anos. And Anos, the Demon King."
　Ennesone turned to me and said welcomingly.
　The little wings on the girl's head flapped.
"This is the place," she announces, her voice still childish, where the city of Memiya Shinto is located."
　In a young voice, she announces.
"It is one of the santuaries leading to the azure skies of the gods."
"Hm. I have heard that there is a chasm between the gate of the Divine Realm and the Azure Sky of the Gods, is this the case with this capital?"
"Is this the case? There is another gate of the divine world in the depths of this divine city. It is connected to the azure sky of the gods, right?"
　The city is called the Budgong divine capital Force Ronal Reef.
　If it is just beyond the gate of the divine world, I should know it, but I don't remember hearing about it.
「神界って、ここから更に遠いところよね？　神界の門をくぐったら、次元も違うんだし。神族ってそんなところから、地上を見られるの？」
"The Divine Realm is even further away from here, right?　Once you pass through the gate of the Divine Realm, the dimension is also different. Can the Gods see the earth from such a place?"

Every santuary is just microcosm of the bubble. And microcosm is microscopic, miniature, a copy of a larger place, a small unit. So that world is very limited by bubble and treated only as subsets of it
「各々の神域は、世界の縮図。世界の根源の上限が決まっているように、ダ・ク・カダーテの火露の数は決まっていて、この神域の花の数も決まっています」
"Each sanctuary is a microcosm of the world. Just as the upper limit of the root of the world is fixed, the number of fire dewdrops in da ku kadate is fixed, as is the number of flowers in this sanctuary."

So bubble is infinite in size and could contain world/universe with different time and space. The world is also just a microcosm in the bubble. So the bubble may not have infinite number of universe in it but can contain infinite number of universe in it. It mean bubble is 2A structure because can contain infinite number of universe. i made this based on this thread:
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Take a look at this. This looks solid. Argument
 
I would prefer Nightmare to respond to that, as I am not much aware of what you guys were discussing.
 
NIK_FARIS said:
About this. How does Militia world connect to all other sanctuary? I know that Militia is the creator god but what relationships does the world had over other?
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What I understand is Before Militia world came to exist there was Elensia world. After that world came to end Elensia gave birth or created Militia.

Militia born in white Void there was nothing. Militia world timeline came to exist from that point in time.

From chapter 479 we get to know Militia creates a world then four gods of juri came to exist then other gods. So what i think is Militia timeline encompasses the gods who came into existence later onwards.

I may be wrong though.

Anyone Correct me if my understanding on Bubble world. world.
 
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Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
What I understand is Before Militia world came to exist there was Elensia world. After that world came to end Elensia gave birth or created Militia.

Militia born in white Void there was nothing. Militia world timeline came to exist from that point in time.

From chapter 479 we get to know Militia creates a world then four gods of juri came to exist then other gods. So what i think is Militia timeline encompasses the gods who came into existence later onwards.

I may be wrong though.

Anyone Correct me if my understanding on Bubble world. world.
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I mean gods Sanctuaries came into existence after the creation of Real World
 
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People all over the world were looking up at the reddish silver lunar eclipse. They looked proud, kind, and full of love.
The final touch. The lunar eclipse of creation will create a new world. <No more gears of fate. The next world will be reborn with the love and kindness of all those who live here, and it will begin to turn with hope. Free the world from the grip of the Equus, and let each one of you shape it.
The earth rumbled.
It was gentle, warm, and far-reaching, and it was the world's first stirrings.
It was the world's first movement.
Sing, sing. It is the dawn of a new world.
Music began to flow.
A pure white light rose from all over the world with the gentle voice of the singer.
It builds bridges and embraces the world as if it were connecting the land that has been divided into four parts.
The red and silver light gently shone through.
The moonlight of Ra Sensia Artielt Noah mingled with <Souji So-Ai>, and everything was reborn with love and kindness.
The countless fire dew that had been restored began to shine like fireflies. The white light of <Souji So-Ai> gently envelops the fire dew.
They create a new order.
The first life to be born was the Four Arboreal Gods.
Wenzel, the god of birth; Dirufred, the god of deepening; Anahem, the god of termination; and Gyutenaros, the god of transmutation.
They return to the new world of the gods with the countless gods who are reborn one after another, enveloped in a dazzling light.
"This time to a kinder world," Misha said.
"This time, it will be a more smiling world.
Sasha said.
Ray and I exchanged glances, smiled at each other, and laid our white swords in each other's hands.
We both held the white sword in our hands, and we both smiled at each other. The light of Ra Sensia (Souji Souai) blinked even louder, and everything was reborn with the light of creation.
Everything is reborn with the light of creation.
This world is reborn.
I could see the green earth and the verdant sea. The sun was rising like the dawn.

Here Militia creates the world then other gods came into existence so i believe Militia world timeline encompasses other realms timeless


Btw After reincarnation i thinks every character from militia should get Acausality type 4 in Silver Sea for being outside of silver sea framework. Well that's what I think.
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
People all over the world were looking up at the reddish silver lunar eclipse. They looked proud, kind, and full of love.
The final touch. The lunar eclipse of creation will create a new world. <No more gears of fate. The next world will be reborn with the love and kindness of all those who live here, and it will begin to turn with hope. Free the world from the grip of the Equus, and let each one of you shape it.
The earth rumbled.
It was gentle, warm, and far-reaching, and it was the world's first stirrings.
It was the world's first movement.
Sing, sing. It is the dawn of a new world.
Music began to flow.
A pure white light rose from all over the world with the gentle voice of the singer.
It builds bridges and embraces the world as if it were connecting the land that has been divided into four parts.
The red and silver light gently shone through.
The moonlight of Ra Sensia Artielt Noah mingled with <Souji So-Ai>, and everything was reborn with love and kindness.
The countless fire dew that had been restored began to shine like fireflies. The white light of <Souji So-Ai> gently envelops the fire dew.
They create a new order.
The first life to be born was the Four Arboreal Gods.
Wenzel, the god of birth; Dirufred, the god of deepening; Anahem, the god of termination; and Gyutenaros, the god of transmutation.
They return to the new world of the gods with the countless gods who are reborn one after another, enveloped in a dazzling light.
"This time to a kinder world," Misha said.
"This time, it will be a more smiling world.
Sasha said.
Ray and I exchanged glances, smiled at each other, and laid our white swords in each other's hands.
We both held the white sword in our hands, and we both smiled at each other. The light of Ra Sensia (Souji Souai) blinked even louder, and everything was reborn with the light of creation.
Everything is reborn with the light of creation.
This world is reborn.
I could see the green earth and the verdant sea. The sun was rising like the dawn.

Here Militia creates the world then other gods came into existence so i believe Militia world timeline encompasses other realms timeless


Btw After reincarnation i thinks every character from militia should get Acausality type 4 in Silver Sea for being outside of silver sea framework. Well that's what I think.
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Is not the first moment of creation but only rebirth of world

And if world is exist first than the god, the world will only perish. So god and order must exist first
「だって、世界が最初に生まれたって、秩序が存在しなきゃその世界は崩壊するわ。偶然神が生まれるまでもつとは思えないもの」
秩序がなければ、世界は滅びる。
神なき世界が長く続かないのは自明だ。
"Because when the world first comes into being, if order doesn't exist, it will fall apart. I don't think it will last until God is born by chance."
　Without order, the world will perish.
　It is obvious that a world without God will not last long.
 
Fixxed said:
Is not the first moment of creation but only rebirth of world

And if world is exist first than the god, the world will only perish. So god and order must exist first
「だって、世界が最初に生まれたって、秩序が存在しなきゃその世界は崩壊するわ。偶然神が生まれるまでもつとは思えないもの」
秩序がなければ、世界は滅びる。
神なき世界が長く続かないのは自明だ。
"Because when the world first comes into being, if order doesn't exist, it will fall apart. I don't think it will last until God is born by chance."
　Without order, the world will perish.
　It is obvious that a world without God will not last long.
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Yeah but Militia recreates the world then other gods came exist inside the world that militia created right?
So technically their sanctuaries are built Inside the Militia world timeline. Isn't it?
 
Fixxed said:
This is my proposal for 2A tier for every bubble

First we must know that the bubble have infinite in size, so by logic bubble can contain everything until infinite. Bubble are desribe being endless,no end from the novel and have infinite sky from the author it self
黒穹に『神々の蒼穹』が描き足される。
「どこまでも引き延ばされる黒穹に終わりはない」
　The "Azure Sky of the Gods" is added to the black sky.
There is no end to the black sky, which is stretched out forever.
背後を振り返れば、そこにあるのは果てしなく巨大な、銀の光を放つ丸い泡だ。
魔眼めを凝らしてみれば、確かに創造神ミリティアの魔力が見える。
この銀の泡が、俺たちがいた世界。
つまり、その外へ出たのだ。
　Looking back, there is an endless, gigantic, round bubble with a silver glow.
　If you look closely with your magical eyes, you can certainly see the magical power of Militia, the creator god.
　This silver bubble is the world we were in.
　In other words, we went out of it.
There are many layers in the Silver Sea, and there are countless bubbles in each layer, and there is an infinite sky in each bubble. There, it stretches on endlessly with no end, and it is where that world's gods are located.
Each god has its own world, and there is a deeper world, the world of the Chief God or the abyssal world.
Just to clarify endless is mean infinite, i get it from this thread:

And in bubble there are countless santuaries of god
「ふむ。まあ、外といっても様々だ。お前たちが生まれたのは、樹理廻庭園ダ・ク・カダーテの一つ、枯焉砂漠。樹理廻庭園には更に三つの神域があり、その外には数多無数の神域がある。そこは神々の蒼穹と呼ばれる、神族たちの国。神界の門をくぐれば、俺が生まれた魔族の国や、人間の国がある」
"Hmmm. Well, there are many ways to say outside. You were born in the Karewake Desert, one of the gardens of the Da Ku Kadate. There are three more sanctuaries in the Garden of Arboriculture, and countless sanctuaries outside of the Garden of Arboriculture. It is called the azure sky of the gods, the land of the god clans. If you pass through the gates of the divine realms, you will find the land of the demon tribe in which I was born and the land of human beings."

Santuaries is have universal size and have they own time and space, even they stated to be a different dimension. Like 3 example i whould give:

Future World Nafta
This santuaries have it own time dimension because it have own timeline of future. This santuaries is another form/shape of world and it size is equal to the size of world. To destroy it you must destroy all possibilities of future. When anos destroy it with egil grone, the mortal world (real world) is not get the effect it is mean future world nafta is different world from the mortal world. Even the god of time cannot manipulate time in this world, it mean the time is different from time in mortal world
「＜未来世水晶＞カンダクイゾルテは、この世界の数多の未来、それは世界の形に等しいでしょう。あなたの行いは、世界と自分とどちらが先に滅ぶか比べようというもの。結論は火を見るよりも明らかでしょう」
"<Future Crystal> Kandakuisorte is the numerous futures of this world, which will be equal to the shape of the world. Your deed is to compare which will perish first, the world or yourself. The conclusion will be clearer than fire."
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「ナフタは宣誓します。現在がここにある限り、未来は滅びようとも何度でも蘇る。＜未来世水晶＞を滅ぼすには、あらゆる可能性を滅ぼすしかありません」
水晶の破片がみるみる数を増して、まるで輝く砂嵐のように、この場を包み込んでいく。
「其はあり得たかもしれぬ、もう一つの世界の形。咎人よ、汝を、限局世界の刑に処す」
水晶の砂嵐が過ぎ去れば、途端に風景が変わった。
そこは見知らぬ街である。すべての建物、すべての植物、すべての人々が、水晶で作られている。
遠くに見える山や、彼方の天蓋、流れる河川までもが水晶だった。
その一つ一つから、途方もない魔力を感じる。
「ふむ。カンダクイゾルテで作られた世界か」
「ナフタは宣誓します。この世界は、すべてがあなたにとって最悪の結果になるように限局します。あなたの勝利はこの世界では選ばれません」
"Nafta takes an oath. As long as the present is here, the future will rise again and again, even if it is destroyed. The only way to destroy the <Future Crystal> is to destroy all possibilities."
　The shards of the crystal are growing in number and enveloping the place like a shining sandstorm.
"It is another form of the world that could have been. I sentence thee, O man of iniquity, to the punishment of a limited world."
　As soon as the crystal sandstorm passed, the landscape changed.
　It was a strange city. Every building, every plant, every person was made of crystal.
　Even the mountains in the distance, the canopy in the distance, and the flowing rivers were made of crystal.
　I could feel tremendous magical power from each and every one of them.
"Hm. A world made of kandaquisorte."
"Nafta swears. Nafta swears to you that this world will be limited so that everything will turn out for the worst for you. Your victory will not be chosen in this world."
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「ゆえに、その目を開き、くれぐれもうまく限局するのだな。この魔法を放ったが最後、最悪でもカンダクイゾルテの世界は滅ぶ」
言葉もなく、呆然とこちらへ顔を向ける未来神へ、俺は言った。
「限局できねば、現実の世界ごと滅び去る」
黒き粒子が砲塔を中心に七重の螺旋を描く。
水晶の地面に底の見えぬ亀裂が入る。
亀裂の先もまた見えず、それは限局世界を文字通り、二つに割っていた。
"Therefore, open your eyes and be careful to limit it well. If you unleash this magic, at the very worst, the world of Kandakuisorte will be destroyed."
　I said to the god of the future, who turned his face toward me, speechless and dumbfounded.
"If you can't limit it, the whole real world will be destroyed."
　Black particles spiraled seven times around the turret.
　A bottomless crack appears in the crystal ground.
　The end of the crack was also invisible, and it literally split the localized world in two.
「時間だ。奴ら二人の時間が恐ろしいほどの速度で流れている。だからこそ、奴ら自身の動きは遅いが、私どもには速く映る。遅くとも速い、という矛盾が成立する」
「……まさか、未来を司るナフタの限局世界で、自分たちだけ先の未来へ辿り着けるはずが……時の番神エウゴ・ラ・ラヴィアズとて、ここでは時間の操作は不可能なはず……！？」
"It's time. The two of them are moving at a frightening speed. That's why they themselves are slow, but to us they seem fast. The paradox of slow and fast is formed."
"......It is not possible that we alone can reach the future in the limited world of Nafta, who controls the future. ...... Even Eugo La Raviaz, the god of time, cannot manipulate time here. ......!

Land Of Traces
This santuaries have it own past and history, it can contain a infinite size in just one book only, there are many book in land of traces that contain every past of everything. It size is also boundless or infinite. Anos destroy it and the mortal world is not get effect, its mean land of traces is another world/different world from mortal world. Time get destorted in this world and no matter how many you rewrite time, land of traces will not change, even is useless to use time magic in this land. This mean time in land of traces are different from mortal world
天蓋が頭上を覆っている。
痕跡神の夢の中で見た、あの本の荒野だ。
果てなき大地には、どこまでも遠く巨大な棚が並び、そびえ立つ。
その中心に立っていたのは、純白の本を手にし、厳かな衣装を纏った神族。
痕跡神リーバルシュネッド。
そして、傍らに跪き、祈りを捧げるのは、教皇ゴルロアナである。
俺は荒野の大地に着地すると、まっすぐ視線を二人に向けた。
A canopy covers overhead.
　It is that wilderness of books that I saw in the dream of the god of traces.
　Huge shelves lined and towered over the endless land, far and wide.
　Standing in the center of it all, holding a pure white book in his hand and dressed in a solemn costume, was the God Tribe.
　Leibalschnedd, the god of traces.
　And kneeling beside him, praying, was Pope Gorloana.
　I landed on the wilderness ground and turned my gaze straight to them.
「時を歪めたか」
魔眼めを凝らし、その深淵を見つめながら、言う。
「然り。痕跡の大地では、未来には辿り着かぬ。我が信徒、ゴルロアナの命は過去に刻まれたまま、決して滅ぶことはない」
「ふむ。つまり、お前を先に片付ければいいわけだろう」
「然り。されど、我もまた不滅なり。この身は、痕跡の秩序。万物の過去なのだ。時を何度塗り替えようと、そこにあったという事実は変わらぬ」
すでに過ぎ去った存在、記録と記憶が痕跡神の秩序。
奴を滅ぼすには、過去を改変するのが望ましいだろうが、その秩序を司る神を相手に時間魔法で挑んでも勝ち目はあるまい。
奴は確かにここにいた。
その事実は、なにがどうあろうと変わりはしない。
"Have you distorted time?"
　He says, staring into the depths of the abyss with his evil eye.
"Yes, he said. In the land of traces, the future cannot be reached. The life of my follower, Gorloana, is etched in the past and will never perish."
"Hm. So, I guess I'll just have to get rid of you first."
"Yes. But I, too, am immortal. This body is the order of traces. I am the past of all things. No matter how many times I rewrite time, the fact remains that it was there."
　The existence that has already passed away, records and memories are the order of the god of traces.
　To destroy him, it would be desirable to alter the past, but there is no way to win by using time magic against the god who control order.
　He was certainly here.
　That fact will never change, no matter what.
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ここは時の秩序の狂った世界。
ならば、多少の本気を出しても問題あるまい。
This is a world where the time has gone mad.
　Then, there is no problem to be a little serious.
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「この大地よりも大きな足形をつけてやればいい。元の痕跡は踏みつぶされて消え、新たにつけられた足跡は、この大地に収まりきらぬ。つまり、痕跡の秩序が乱れるというわけだ」
「不可能なり。ここは世界のすべてがあまさず収まる痕跡の大地。時の始まりより、今日にいたるまでの痕跡は七億年。それを百度繰り返すだけの器が、すわなち、この大地の広さなり。それよりも大きな痕跡など、この天地に存在せぬ」
"Let them make footprints bigger than the earth. The original footprints will be crushed, and the new footprints will not fit in the earth. In other words, the order of the traces would be disturbed."
"Impossible. This is the land of traces where everything in the world fits together. From the beginning of time to the present day, there have been traces for 700 million years. The size of this land is a vessel that can repeat this process a hundred times. There is no trace greater than that in the whole of the earth."
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「……痕跡の大地が……神が作りし、無辺なる世界が……踏みつぶされ……た…………」
呆然と呟くゴルロアナに、俺は言った。
「七〇〇億年の痕跡を刻む神の大地も、俺の七歩には耐えられなかったようだな」
"...... the land of traces ...... God made, the boundless world ...... was crushed ...... was ............."
　I said to Gorloana, who muttered in dismay.
"The Land of God, which has carved seven billion years of traces, could not withstand my seven steps, it seems."

Memiya Shinto
This santuaries is another world with different dimension, this world is also contain sun in it
「太陽」
ミーシャが頭上を見上げ、手で光を遮りながら言った。
「……なにあれ……？」
「すごいぞ」
サーシャとエレオノールが声を上げ、天を見つめる。
そこは、広大な海だ。
波打つ水面が、空のように広がっており、その奥には確かに太陽らしき影が見える。
「空が海とは、また変わった場所だな」
「……あの神界の門が、この異界につながってたってことよね……？」
サーシャが、確認するように言葉をこぼす。
『ようこそ、ゼシア、エレオノール。それから、魔王アノス』
エンネスオーネがこちらを振り向き、歓迎するように言った。
少女の頭の小さな翼がファサッと動く。
『ここは、芽宮神都がきゅうしんとフォースロナルリーフ』
幼い声で、彼女は告げる。
『神々の蒼穹へ続く神域の一つなの』
「ふむ。神界の門と神々の蒼穹には、狭間があると聞いているが、この都がそうか？」
『うん。この神都の深層にもう一つの神界の門があるの。そこが神々の蒼穹につながってるよ？』
芽宮神都フォースロナルリーフといったか。
神界の門をくぐったすぐ先にあるのなら、知っていそうなものだが、聞き覚えはない。
"The sun."
　Misha looked up overhead, blocking the light with his hand and said.
"...... what is that ......?"
"It's amazing!"
Sasha and Eleonor raised their voices and stared at the heavens.
　It is a vast ocean.
　The rippling surface of the water is as wide as the sky, and behind it, there is indeed a shadow that looks like the sun.
"The sky is the sea, another unusual place."
"......That means that the gate of the divine world was connected to this other world, right ......?"
　Sasha spills the words as if to confirm.
"Welcome, Zessiah and Eleonor, and also the Demon King Anos. And Anos, the Demon King."
　Ennesone turned to me and said welcomingly.
　The little wings on the girl's head flapped.
"This is the place," she announces, her voice still childish, where the city of Memiya Shinto is located."
　In a young voice, she announces.
"It is one of the santuaries leading to the azure skies of the gods."
"Hm. I have heard that there is a chasm between the gate of the Divine Realm and the Azure Sky of the Gods, is this the case with this capital?"
"Is this the case? There is another gate of the divine world in the depths of this divine city. It is connected to the azure sky of the gods, right?"
　The city is called the Budgong divine capital Force Ronal Reef.
　If it is just beyond the gate of the divine world, I should know it, but I don't remember hearing about it.
「神界って、ここから更に遠いところよね？　神界の門をくぐったら、次元も違うんだし。神族ってそんなところから、地上を見られるの？」
"The Divine Realm is even further away from here, right?　Once you pass through the gate of the Divine Realm, the dimension is also different. Can the Gods see the earth from such a place?"

Every santuary is just microcosm of the bubble. And microcosm is microscopic, miniature, a copy of a larger place, a small unit. So that world is very limited by bubble and treated only as subsets of it
「各々の神域は、世界の縮図。世界の根源の上限が決まっているように、ダ・ク・カダーテの火露の数は決まっていて、この神域の花の数も決まっています」
"Each sanctuary is a microcosm of the world. Just as the upper limit of the root of the world is fixed, the number of fire dewdrops in da ku kadate is fixed, as is the number of flowers in this sanctuary."

So bubble is infinite in size and could contain world/universe with different time and space. The world is also just a microcosm in the bubble. So the bubble may not have infinite number of universe in it but can contain infinite number of universe in it. It mean bubble is 2A structure because can contain infinite number of universe. i made this based on this thread:
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The problem with this is that the countless divine domains are contained in the azure sky, not the black sky. Therefore even if the black sky is infinite (which I agree with), if the azure sky (which is contained in the black sky) is only finite, then there can normally only be a finite number of divine domains contained within it. If the azure sky is stated by a reliable source in a nonmetaphorical way to be infinite tho, then there isn't really a problem with this.
 
imZer0Null said:
The problem with this is that the countless divine domains are contained in the azure sky, not the black sky. Therefore even if the black sky is infinite (which I agree with), if the azure sky (which is contained in the black sky) is only finite, then there can normally only be a finite number of divine domains contained within it. If the azure sky is stated by a reliable source in a nonmetaphorical way to be infinite tho, then there isn't really a problem with this.
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Isn't some Sanctuaries like time God exists outside Asure sky? I mean when Anos tried to go back in time to merge Sasha and Misha roots time God domain appears in mortal realm right ? .
 
「こちらへ。樹冠天球には、親しくしている神もいます。心を持つ彼らなら、きっと力になってくれることでしょう」
「あれ？　でも、この枝ばっかりの空、転変神ギェテナロスっていう神の神域じゃなかった？　他の神族もここにいるんだ？」
「ええ。秩序の近しい神は、その神域にて恩恵を受けることができます。樹理廻庭園ダ・ク・カダーテという巨大な神域では、その中に小さな神域を設ける神もいるのですよ」
"This way. There are gods who are close to us in the celestial sphere of the tree canopy. They have hearts, and I am sure they will help you!"
"Huh? But isn't this sky with all these branches the divine realm of a god called Gyetenaros, the God of Transfiguration? Are there other gods here?"
"Yes. The gods that are close to the order can receive benefits in their own sanctuaries. In the huge shrine called Juriwa Garden Da Ku Kadate, there are gods who establish a small sanctuaries within it."

This chapter even states there are many gods put up a small sanctuaries inside Juriwa Garden Da Ku Kadate. So gods can put up their sanctuaries anywhere.
 
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The problem with this is that the countless divine domains are contained in the azure sky, not the black sky. Therefore even if the black sky is infinite (which I agree with), if the azure sky (which is contained in the black sky) is only finite, then there can normally only be a finite number of divine domains contained within it. If the azure sky is stated by a reliable source in a nonmetaphorical way to be infinite tho, then there isn't really a problem with this.
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「神界って、ここから更に遠いところよね？　神界の門をくぐったら、次元も違うんだし。神族ってそんなところから、地上を見られるの？」
"The Divine Realm is even further away from here, right?　Once you pass through the gate of the Divine Realm, the dimension is also different. Can the Gods see the earth from such a place?"
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I dont think the all countless domain is contained by the azure sky
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黒穹に『神々の蒼穹』が描き足される。
「どこまでも引き延ばされる黒穹に終わりはない」
　The "Azure Sky of the Gods" is added to the black sky.
There is no end to the black sky, which is stretched out forever.
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And i think azure sky is infinite too, because when misha explain about the bubble, she explain first about mortal world and describe it being almost infinite size. And the next moment misha misha added the azure sky in the black sky, and black sky is describe being no end
 
imZer0Null said:
The problem with this is that the countless divine domains are contained in the azure sky, not the black sky. Therefore even if the black sky is infinite (which I agree with), if the azure sky (which is contained in the black sky) is only finite, then there can normally only be a finite number of divine domains contained within it. If the azure sky is stated by a reliable source in a nonmetaphorical way to be infinite tho, then there isn't really a problem with this.
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And i think if black sky is infinite and contain the azure sky, even if azure sky only finite, i think there is no problem for tier 2A

i mean the azure sky is can contain countless domain of god is being contained in the black sky, so the black sky is also cointain countless domain
 
Fixxed said:
I dont think the all countless domain is contained by the azure sky
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Yes. Eugora Raviaz realm exist in Mortal world
Fixxed said:
And i think azure sky is infinite too, because when misha explain about the bubble, she explain first about mortal world and describe it being almost infinite size. And the next moment misha misha added the azure sky in the black sky, and black sky is describe being no end
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Also the fact gods maintains the order of the world we can't percisely tell where they have put out their sanctuaries.
Simplistic conclusion is sanctuaries exist throughout the bubble world to maintain the order.
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Yeah but Militia recreates the world then other gods came exist inside the world that militia created right?
So technically their sanctuaries are built Inside the Militia world timeline. Isn't it?
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I think their santuaries appear with or after the god and order. I forget the chapter, but everything that should be came/created is all in the order of creation (god, order, world, everything)
 
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Well Graham true nothingness can be argued for Acausality type 5 for existing outside of complete reason and logic
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If the bubble world is considered 2-A, can Graham and Arnos be argued in fear of Acausality type 5 since they will be existing outside of a 2-A structure?

Edit: I don't know how Acausality type 5 works
 
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And i think if black sky is infinite and contain the azure sky, even if azure sky only finite, i think there is no problem for tier 2A.
i mean the azure sky is can contain countless domain of god is being contained in the black sky, so the black sky is also contain countless domain.
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IMO this is not the same as the infinite size Silver Sea case.
With the Silver Sea, we know that the area that contains the separate space-time continuums, that being the Silver Sea itself, has infinite size.
With the world, we don't know the size of the area that contains the supposedly separate space-time continuums, that being the azure sky. You are suddenly assuming that because the black sky has infinite size, it would be the same as the infinite size Silver Sea case, but the problem with this is that there is no evidence that the black sky can actually contain a divine domain as far as I know. Saying that because the azure sky (a subset of the black sky) can contain divine domains, the black sky should also be able to do so is an assumption made from overextrapolation, since I personally have not seen any evidence that even implies this.
You can ofc argue that the black sky can contain an infinite number of azure skies, and therefore countless divine domains*infinite number of azure skies=infinite number of divine domains, but that notion kinda seems a lot like headcanon IMO.

Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Yes. Eugo La Raviaz realm exist in mortal world.
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Proof?

Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Simplistic conclusion is domains exist throughout the bubble world to maintain the order.
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That is not a simplistic conclusion AT ALL.
I'll be honest with you... The above claim, along with a few other made by you earlier in this thread are almost completely baseless assumptions made from overextrapolation. Adding words like "logical" and "simplistic" also does not actually make your arguments "logical" or "simplistic".
I mean this respectfully, but stop trying to wank the verse to be more powerful.
 
imZer0Null said:
IMO, isso não é o mesmo que o estojo Silver Sea de tamanho infinito.
Com o Mar de Prata, sabemos que a área que contém os contínuos espaço-tempo separados, que é o próprio Mar de Prata, tem tamanho infinito.
Com o mundo, não sabemos o tamanho da área que contém os continuums espaço-tempo supostamente separados, que é o céu azul. De repente você está assumindo que, porque o céu ***** tem tamanho infinito, seria o mesmo que o tamanho infinito da caixa do Mar da Prata, mas o problema com isso é que não há evidência de que o céu ***** possa realmente conter um domínio divino, tanto quanto Eu sei. Dizer que, porque o céu azul (um subconjunto do céu *****) pode conter domínios divinos, o céu ***** também deve ser capaz de fazê-lo é uma suposição feita de superextrapolação, já que pessoalmente não vi nenhuma evidência que implique isso.
You can ofc argue that the black sky can contain an infinite number of azure skies, and therefore countless divine domains*infinite number of azure skies=infinite number of divine domains, but that notion kinda seems a lot like headcanon IMO.


Proof?


That is not a simplistic conclusion AT ALL.
I'll be honest with you... The above claim, along with a few other made by you earlier in this thread are almost completely baseless assumptions made from overextrapolation. Adding words like "logical" and "simplistic" also does not actually make your arguments "logical" or "simplistic".
I mean this respectfully, but stop trying to wank the verse to be more powerful.
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All I know about bubble worlds are things like:

The black sky exists in the bubble world, having infinite size and extension (Declared infinite size in the novel and by the author himself), and there where is the divine gate that leads to the blue sky of the gods, the blue sky of the gods does not have an exact size yet, but it is certain that at least there are numerous shrines, declared in the novel itself, as well as it is also declared that no matter how much it falls it will never come to an end, that because there is no end, a declaration of infinite length.

Does that mean he's at least 2-B?
 
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Proof?
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“….That’s not moonlight. That’s sunlight………”
She sounds surprised.
“The space that Eugo Ra Raviaz created was isolated from the world and when I killed him we became unable to return to the time we left. As a result, we have arrived a few hours ahead.”
“Morning sun?” Misha says.
“Yeah.”
“…….I thought yesterday was my last day……”
I laugh.
“I said there’s no such thing as impossible.”
imZer0Null said:
That is not a simplistic conclusion AT ALL.
I'll be honest with you... The above claim, along with a few other made by you earlier in this thread are almost completely baseless assumptions made from overextrapolation. Adding words like "logical" and "simplistic" also does not actually make your arguments "logical" or "simplistic".
I mean this respectfully, but stop trying to wank the verse to be more powerful.
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Can you tell me what did I wanked? Check the above scans. Space Eugo Ra Raviaz created was isolated from the world.

If it looks like it i am wanking I don't have anything else to say.
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IMO this is not the same as the infinite size Silver Sea case.
With the Silver Sea, we know that the area that contains the separate space-time continuums, that being the Silver Sea itself, has infinite size.
With the world, we don't know the size of the area that contains the supposedly separate space-time continuums, that being the azure sky. You are suddenly assuming that because the black sky has infinite size, it would be the same as the infinite size Silver Sea case, but the problem with this is that there is no evidence that the black sky can actually contain a divine domain as far as I know. Saying that because the azure sky (a subset of the black sky) can contain divine domains, the black sky should also be able to do so is an assumption made from overextrapolation, since I personally have not seen any evidence that even implies this.
You can ofc argue that the black sky can contain an infinite number of azure skies, and therefore countless divine domains*infinite number of azure skies=infinite number of divine domains, but that notion kinda seems a lot like headcanon IMO.
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I don't know man what to say If you consider this as headcanon even though there is little logical reasoning. I can name many verses who uses assumption to give Abilities and scaling which doesn't even make sense. Well I know you will say let them be. I am not saying we should use headcanon but little assumptions won't hurt anyone. I mean with respectfully you are just being too strict about the verse that's all.

Yeah sure if 2A isn't cut out for you with assumption I am fine with your assumption less 2B Bubble.
 
Dog3352 said:
All I know about bubble worlds are things like:

The black sky exists in the bubble world, having infinite size and extension (Declared infinite size in the novel and by the author himself), and there where is the divine gate that leads to the blue sky of the gods, the blue sky of the gods does not have an exact size yet, but it is certain that at least there are numerous shrines, declared in the novel itself, as well as it is also declared that no matter how much it falls it will never come to an end, that because there is no end, a declaration of infinite length.

Does that mean he's at least 2-B?
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If the bold part is referring to the statement from wn chapter 439, then I think that might've been in reference to the size of a divine domain, not the azure sky. I could be wrong tho.

In any case, I personally did not know of the "microcosm" statement from wn chapter 425 until a while ago, but since the statement says "Each divine domain is a microcosm of the world...", which implies that each divine domain has a similar structure, I personally would probably be fine with a 2-B rating for a world.
 
imZer0Null said:
If the bold part is referring to the statement from wn chapter 439, then I think that might've been in reference to the size of a divine domain, not the azure sky. I could be wrong tho.

In any case, I personally did not know of the "microcosm" statement from wn chapter 425 until a while ago, but since the statement says "Each divine domain is a microcosm of the world...", which implies that each divine domain has a similar structure, I personally would probably be fine with a 2-B rating for a world.
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I don't even know if there is any statement about the size of the blue sky of the gods, I'm still reading the novel.
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
“….That’s not moonlight. That’s sunlight………”
She sounds surprised.
“The space that Eugo Ra Raviaz created was isolated from the world and when I killed him we became unable to return to the time we left. As a result, we have arrived a few hours ahead.”
“Morning sun?” Misha says.
“Yeah.”
“…….I thought yesterday was my last day……”
I laugh.
“I said there’s no such thing as impossible.”

Can you tell me what did I wanked? Check the above scans. Space Eugo Ra Raviaz created was isolated from the world.
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Tbh, is this even a proof? That Eugo created a space isolated from the world is practically the same as melheis did, it does not indicate that the Realm exists in the world of mortals.
 
imZer0Null said:
If the bold part is referring to the statement from wn chapter 439, then I think that might've been in reference to the size of a divine domain, not the azure sky. I could be wrong tho.

In any case, I personally did not know of the "microcosm" statement from wn chapter 425 until a while ago, but since the statement says "Each divine domain is a microcosm of the world...", which implies that each divine domain has a similar structure, I personally would probably be fine with a 2-B rating for a world.
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「神界って、ここから更に遠いところよね？　神界の門をくぐったら、次元も違うんだし。神族ってそんなところから、地上を見られるの？」
"The Divine Realm is even further away from here, right?　Once you pass through the gate of the Divine Realm, the dimension is also different. Can the Gods see the earth from such a place?"

The world of the Gods located beyond the Gates of the Divine Realm, one of the four worlds divided by the large Four Worlds Wall <Beno Yeven>, which Anos once activated in exchange for his life.

Azure sky of gods is different dimension. keywords referring it's a a World. I will let you decide if that world refering to just a planet or universal sized structure based on how we treat world in MG.

I am fine with 2B if you don't want to use a single assumption.
 
Dereck03 said:
Tbh, is this even a proof? That Eugo created a space isolated from the world is practically the same as melheis did, it does not indicate that the Realm exists in the world of mortals.
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You may be right. But Pretty sure gods creates their realms not some isolated spaces like Melhies. Take NAFTA and land of traces for example those gods didn't created some isolated space like Melhies. I may be right/wrong I don't know.
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
“….That’s not moonlight. That’s sunlight………”
She sounds surprised.
“The space that Eugo Ra Raviaz created was isolated from the world and when I killed him we became unable to return to the time we left. As a result, we have arrived a few hours ahead.”
“Morning sun?” Misha says.
“Yeah.”
“…….I thought yesterday was my last day……”
I laugh.
“I said there’s no such thing as impossible.”
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So it didn't exist in the mortal world, because it's specifically stated to be isolated from the world...

Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
I don't know man what to say If you consider this as headcanon even though there is little logical reasoning. I can name many verses who uses assumption to give Abilities and scaling which doesn't even make sense. Well I know you will say let them be. I am not saying we should use headcanon but little assumptions won't hurt anyone. I mean with respectfully you are just being too strict about the verse that's all.
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Yes, just because other verse supporters wank their verses, it does not suddenly mean we can do the same to Maou Gakuin.
I know I'm rather strict regarding verse revisions lately, and trust me I've been trying to be less strict, but there is a difference between "little assumptions" and "big assumptions", and I feel like sometimes you make rather big assumptions with little supporting evidence. Big assumptions eventually lead to inaccurate ratings, and inaccurate ratings eventually leads to downplay. Shinza Banshou, Daimaou, and Umineko are all good examples of this.
 
imZer0Null said:
IMO this is not the same as the infinite size Silver Sea case.
With the Silver Sea, we know that the area that contains the separate space-time continuums, that being the Silver Sea itself, has infinite size.
With the world, we don't know the size of the area that contains the supposedly separate space-time continuums, that being the azure sky. You are suddenly assuming that because the black sky has infinite size, it would be the same as the infinite size Silver Sea case, but the problem with this is that there is no evidence that the black sky can actually contain a divine domain as far as I know. Saying that because the azure sky (a subset of the black sky) can contain divine domains, the black sky should also be able to do so is an assumption made from overextrapolation, since I personally have not seen any evidence that even implies this.
You can ofc argue that the black sky can contain an infinite number of azure skies, and therefore countless divine domains*infinite number of azure skies=infinite number of divine domains, but that notion kinda seems a lot like headcanon IMO.
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I don't get your logic

Lets make it simple. If there are bottle that can contain marbles, and the bottle is contained in a barrel. What make you think the barrel can't contain the marble too???

And tiering is based on size as far as i know, i mean even if you just have 2B-2C or even low 2C stucture and it cointained in infinite space. The space whould be infinitely bigger than the structure it cointain, so it mean it can contain infinitely more structure in it, and make it 2A structure

Even it stated the structure cointain by the bubble is only being a microcosm of it, or just a very small part in the bubble. Just a tip in 100%
 
imZer0Null said:
So it didn't exist in the mortal world, because it's specifically stated to be isolated from the world...
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Ok. My mistake on this.
imZer0Null said:
Yes, just because other verse supporters wank their verses, it does not suddenly mean we can do the same to Maou Gakuin.
I know I'm rather strict regarding verse revisions lately, and trust me I've been trying to be less strict, but there is a difference between "little assumptions" and "big assumptions", and I feel like sometimes you make rather big assumptions with little supporting evidence. Big assumptions eventually lead to inaccurate ratings, and inaccurate ratings eventually leads to downplay. Shinza Banshou, Daimaou, and Umineko are all good examples of this.
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I get you bro. That's why whenever I explain Silver Sea Hierarchy and differences between layers. I don't use author explanation because I really don't trust that. Anyway can we consider that as 2B possibly 2A if Staff agree.
 
Dereck03 said:
To put it simply, character should trascend or be unboud of causality to have Aca 5. In which no character in MG has feats for
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I really need opinion on Graham true nothingness. We know his true nothingness couldn't be even erased by Venozdonua. Do you think any possibility of Graham getting Acausality type 5. I don't wanna seen like i am wanking the verse. Let's hear your thoughts.
 
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