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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

NIK_FARIS said:
Like a metaphor to describe large amount, right? This would be hard, one way we can take the word as numerous or take it as a direct statement of hundred and thousands
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Yeah my friend told me it's either "of" or "and".

But he suggested that "of" is more fitting.

But you can argue hundreds and thousands as very large number as Militia can create bubble world which contains countless realms on universal scale
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Isn't this implies Gods are higher plane of existence who watches the mortal world like stage play?
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「神はこの世の秩序であり、＜全能なる煌輝こうき＞エクエスが差し伸べた救いの手であります。しかし、ときとして、その神が、秩序が、失われるときがやってくる。だが、それは新生の機会に他ならない。失われた神の座を埋めるべく、この世のあらゆる生命から選ばれし、神の代理たる、代行者が現れるのです」
ふむ。代行者は、滅ぼされた神の代わりというわけか。
「＜全能なる煌輝こうき＞エクエスは、生きとし生けるものに神へ至る機会を与えたもうた。それは我々にとっての光であり救済、エクエスの慈悲の心に他ならないのです」
"God is the order of the world, and the hand of salvation extended by the Almighty Ecclesiastes. But there comes a time when God and order are lost. But that is nothing but an opportunity for a new birth. To fill the place of the lost God, a substitute, a representative of God, chosen from all life in the world, will emerge."
　Hmmm. So, the substitute takes the place of the destroyed God.
"Eques, the Almighty Shining Light, has given every living creature the opportunity to reach God. It is the light and salvation for us, the mercy of Eques."

「審判は下された。創造神が選びし、超越者よ。汝こそ、神の力を手にし、秩序となる者に相応しい。傾いた天秤を調整する、神の代行者となるがよい」
"Judgment has come. O Creator God's Chosen, O Transcendent One! Thou art worthy to be the one who takes God's power and becomes the orderly. Be thou God's agent to adjust the tilted balance."

「神は秩序だ。代行者もまた同じ存在だろう。未来神ナフタが見る数多の未来は、その秩序によって構成されている。どれだけの力を持とうと秩序たる神には、秩序だった未来を、覆すことはできまい」
"God is order. The Agent would be the same being. The many futures that Nafta, the god of the future, sees are structured by that order. No matter how much power he may have, the ordered God cannot overturn the ordered future."

I think god and order is transcendent from world, that every living thing cannot reach them
 
Fixxed said:
「神はこの世の秩序であり、＜全能なる煌輝こうき＞エクエスが差し伸べた救いの手であります。しかし、ときとして、その神が、秩序が、失われるときがやってくる。だが、それは新生の機会に他ならない。失われた神の座を埋めるべく、この世のあらゆる生命から選ばれし、神の代理たる、代行者が現れるのです」
ふむ。代行者は、滅ぼされた神の代わりというわけか。
「＜全能なる煌輝こうき＞エクエスは、生きとし生けるものに神へ至る機会を与えたもうた。それは我々にとっての光であり救済、エクエスの慈悲の心に他ならないのです」
"God is the order of the world, and the hand of salvation extended by the Almighty Ecclesiastes. But there comes a time when God and order are lost. But that is nothing but an opportunity for a new birth. To fill the place of the lost God, a substitute, a representative of God, chosen from all life in the world, will emerge."
　Hmmm. So, the substitute takes the place of the destroyed God.
"Eques, the Almighty Shining Light, has given every living creature the opportunity to reach God. It is the light and salvation for us, the mercy of Eques."

「審判は下された。創造神が選びし、超越者よ。汝こそ、神の力を手にし、秩序となる者に相応しい。傾いた天秤を調整する、神の代行者となるがよい」
"Judgment has come. O Creator God's Chosen, O Transcendent One! Thou art worthy to be the one who takes God's power and becomes the orderly. Be thou God's agent to adjust the tilted balance."

「神は秩序だ。代行者もまた同じ存在だろう。未来神ナフタが見る数多の未来は、その秩序によって構成されている。どれだけの力を持とうと秩序たる神には、秩序だった未来を、覆すことはできまい」
"God is order. The Agent would be the same being. The many futures that Nafta, the god of the future, sees are structured by that order. No matter how much power he may have, the ordered God cannot overturn the ordered future."

I think god and order is transcendent from world, that every living thing cannot reach them
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You see seed of the world stated to have no form. Does that make anything about Transcenduality type?. It's stated seed surpasses all gods.
 
Not sure if you know this or not but cbr once said that Hashirama Senju can beat Madara while First Hokage can't (they're literally same person)
 
Delta333 said:
Orders made up the world, which implies they are part of it rather than transcendence
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Order made up the world, is implies they are concept of world. I think is very wrong if you says order is just part of world, because order like river you can change the world but the order is changless

「わたくしたち神は、この世界の秩序は、流れゆく川のようなもの。その水を途中で分水することはできても、本流が変わることはなく、ましてそれは堰き止められるほど穏やかな流れでもありません」
"We God, the order of this world is like a flowing river. We can divert its waters in the middle, but the main current never changes, much less is it a gentle stream that can be dammed."

We can divert its waters in the middle (world/reality), but the main current (order/what is make up the world) never changes)
 
Fixxed said:
I think is possible, because surpasses all gods is also can mean surpasses order
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Ottlulu wrote 'The birth of a Conformist'.
"There is order in the bubble world, and there are gods. They have the seeds of world will to lead the world in one direction. The seeds of world will is invisible and does not have a clear consciousness. The gods obey it, and each of them acts in a vague way, trying to lead the world to the right order. In most cases, they fail, but iln bubbles blessed with the blessing of Silver Sea, a conformist is born."
In the Militia world, the gears of Eques were probably the seeds of world will.
"The Conformist is the end result of the evolution of life. They have magic power and strength, power that surpasses that of the gods, and the power to lead the world in a better direction. As the number of conformists continues to increase, further changes will be brought to the small world. That is the birth of the World Chief God."
Ottlulu continued her explanation without hesitation.
"The existence of the Conformist strengthens the world's fire dew and brings a strong force to the order. One of the seeds of world will possessed by the gods will sprout, and the existence that can be called the will of the world, the World Chief God, will be born."
"It's a little different from the Militia world."
[...]
"With the birth of the World Chief God, the small world will change drastically. The Chief God will choose a suitable Sovereign to rule the small world. The candidates will be the Conformists."
"Do you mean a Sovereign Conformist?"
"They are the Sovereign Conformist and a conformist of an evolved world. The Chief God sniffs out those who are suitable for his world according to his order."
[...]
"The Chief God will choose a king of the world from among the conformists. This will create a Sovereign, and the bubble world will evolve into a silver bubble."
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Ottlulu wrote 'The birth of a Conformist'.
"There is order in the bubble world, and there are gods. They have the seeds of world will to lead the world in one direction. The seeds of world will is invisible and does not have a clear consciousness. The gods obey it, and each of them acts in a vague way, trying to lead the world to the right order. In most cases, they fail, but iln bubbles blessed with the blessing of Silver Sea, a conformist is born."
In the Militia world, the gears of Eques were probably the seeds of world will.
"The Conformist is the end result of the evolution of life. They have magic power and strength, power that surpasses that of the gods, and the power to lead the world in a better direction. As the number of conformists continues to increase, further changes will be brought to the small world. That is the birth of the World Chief God."
Ottlulu continued her explanation without hesitation.
"The existence of the Conformist strengthens the world's fire dew and brings a strong force to the order. One of the seeds of world will possessed by the gods will sprout, and the existence that can be called the will of the world, the World Chief God, will be born."
"It's a little different from the Militia world."
[...]
"With the birth of the World Chief God, the small world will change drastically. The Chief God will choose a suitable Sovereign to rule the small world. The candidates will be the Conformists."
"Do you mean a Sovereign Conformist?"
"They are the Sovereign Conformist and a conformist of an evolved world. The Chief God sniffs out those who are suitable for his world according to his order."
[...]
"The Chief God will choose a king of the world from among the conformists. This will create a Sovereign, and the bubble world will evolve into a silver bubble."
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Btw the lord god and misfit is beyond order too

「上限の歯車は回り始める。限界は歯車により引き上げられ、汝と私は、力の次元にて隔てられる」
秩序の上限を超えたような力で、エクエスは俺を圧し潰そうとする。
かつての世界で、秩序を超えた膂力を発揮した不適合者がいたのだろう。
それすら屠り、秩序の歯車に変えてきたということを奴は誇示したいのだ。
"The gears of the upper limits begin to turn. The limits are raised by the gears, and thou and I are separated by a dimension of power."
　Eques tries to crush me with a force that seems to exceed the upper limits of order.
　In the world of the past, there must have been a nonconformist who had demonstrated a physical strength that exceeded the limits of order.
　He wants to show off the fact that he has slaughtered even them and turned them into a cog in the wheel of order.
 
Fixxed said:
Btw the lord god and misfit is beyond order too

「上限の歯車は回り始める。限界は歯車により引き上げられ、汝と私は、力の次元にて隔てられる」
秩序の上限を超えたような力で、エクエスは俺を圧し潰そうとする。
かつての世界で、秩序を超えた膂力を発揮した不適合者がいたのだろう。
それすら屠り、秩序の歯車に変えてきたということを奴は誇示したいのだ。
"The gears of the upper limits begin to turn. The limits are raised by the gears, and thou and I are separated by a dimension of power."
　Eques tries to crush me with a force that seems to exceed the upper limits of order.
　In the world of the past, there must have been a nonconformist who had demonstrated a physical strength that exceeded the limits of order.
　He wants to show off the fact that he has slaughtered even them and turned them into a cog in the wheel of order.
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Surpasses can also mean Transcend. If we take a look at from one POV.

Hey can't we use that " you and i are seperated by dimension of power" as trying to show that Eques as Transcended the dimensions they were in. Because we know next moment where Misha re-created militia world they moved to Layer 1 as an evolved Silver bubble.
 
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There are too many statement for layers being on Transcended realities

「銀水学院パブロヘタラは、古く巨大な、そして悪しき階層制度の象徴 だ。奴らは、泡沫世界を一方的に搾取し続けている」
搾取というのは穏やかではないが､ 泡沫世界と言われてもわからぬ な。
「･･････泡沫世界とは、未進化の世界のことだ。 卿の故郷では、世界主神 が存在するだろう。 進化した世界では主神により世界の外が知覚され､ 銀水聖海を渡る術がある」
俺の反応を見て、 二律僭主がそう説明を足す。
「だが､泡沫世界では適合者が生まれず、 世界は進化せず、 世界主神が 誕生しない。ゆえに、 泡沫の住人は、 世界の外があることに気がつきよ うがないのだ」
なるほど。
ミリティアの世界は、 少々事情が違うな。
「銀水聖海に出たばかりの卿には仕組みが複雑かもしれないが、 パブロ ヘタラは泡沫世界から重要な魔力を奪っている」
それは想像に難くない。
つい最近まで、ミリティアの世界でも奪われていたものがあった。
「火露か?」
「さすがに察しがいい。 この銀水聖海では浅層の住人は、より深層の住人にすべてを奪われる。 命でさえ、いとも容易く。 泡沫世界の住人はそ れに気がつくことさえできない。 彼らにとって、 世界の外など存在せず、それが秩序であるかのように見えるからだ」
火露は世界を維持するために消費したとエクエスは言っていた。
奴も、知らなかったのやもしれぬな。 奪っていたと信じ、 その実奪われていたことを。
"The Silverwater Institute Pablo Hetalla is the symbol of an old, huge, and evil hierarchical system. They continue to unilaterally exploit the bubble world."
Exploitation is not a gentle word, but I don't understand what you mean when you say "Bubbles World".
"...... A bubble world is an unevolved world. In your homeland, there will be a World Lord God. In the evolved world, the Lord God would be able to perceive the outside of the world and have the means to cross the Silver Water Sacred Sea."
Seeing my reaction, the Second Presumption added this explanation.
"But in the bubble world, no conformists are born, the world does not evolve, and the world god is not born. Therefore, the inhabitants of the bubble world are unaware that there is a world outside of it."
I see.
The world of Militia is a little different.
"The mechanics may be complicated for a Sir who is new to the Silver Water Holy Sea, but Pablo Hetala is taking significant magical power from the bubble world."
It is not hard to imagine.
Until recently, the world of Militia was also deprived of something.
"Fire dew?"
"Very good indeed. In the Silver Water Holy Sea, the inhabitants of the lower layers are deprived of everything by the inhabitants of the deeper layers. Even life is easy. Residents of the bubble world cannot even notice it. For them, there is no such thing as outside the world, and it seems to be order."
Eques said that the fire dew was consumed to sustain the world.
He may not have known it either. He believed he was robbing them, but in fact he was being robbed.
 
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Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
There are too many statement for layers being on Transcended realities

「銀水学院パブロヘタラは、古く巨大な、そして悪しき階層制度の象徴 だ。奴らは、泡沫世界を一方的に搾取し続けている」
搾取というのは穏やかではないが､ 泡沫世界と言われてもわからぬ な。
「･･････泡沫世界とは、未進化の世界のことだ。 卿の故郷では、世界主神 が存在するだろう。 進化した世界では主神により世界の外が知覚され､ 銀水聖海を渡る術がある」
俺の反応を見て、 二律僭主がそう説明を足す。
「だが､泡沫世界では適合者が生まれず、 世界は進化せず、 世界主神が 誕生しない。ゆえに、 泡沫の住人は、 世界の外があることに気がつきよ うがないのだ」
なるほど。
ミリティアの世界は、 少々事情が違うな。
「銀水聖海に出たばかりの卿には仕組みが複雑かもしれないが、 パブロ ヘタラは泡沫世界から重要な魔力を奪っている」
それは想像に難くない。
つい最近まで、ミリティアの世界でも奪われていたものがあった。
「火露か?」
「さすがに察しがいい。 この銀水聖海では浅層の住人は、より深層の住人にすべてを奪われる。 命でさえ、いとも容易く。 泡沫世界の住人はそ れに気がつくことさえできない。 彼らにとって、 世界の外など存在せず、それが秩序であるかのように見えるからだ」
火露は世界を維持するために消費したとエクエスは言っていた。
奴も、知らなかったのやもしれぬな。 奪っていたと信じ、 その実奪われていたことを。
"The Silverwater Institute Pablo Hetalla is the symbol of an old, huge, and evil hierarchical system. They continue to unilaterally exploit the bubble world."
Exploitation is not a gentle word, but I don't understand what you mean when you say "Bubbles World".
"...... A bubble world is an unevolved world. In your homeland, there will be a World Lord God. In the evolved world, the Lord God would be able to perceive the outside of the world and have the means to cross the Silver Water Sacred Sea."
Seeing my reaction, the Second Presumption added this explanation.
"But in the bubble world, no conformists are born, the world does not evolve, and the world god is not born. Therefore, the inhabitants of the bubble world are unaware that there is a world outside of it."
I see.
The world of Militia is a little different.
"The mechanics may be complicated for a Sir who is new to the Silver Water Holy Sea, but Pablo Hetala is taking significant magical power from the bubble world."
It is not hard to imagine.
Until recently, the world of Militia was also deprived of something.
"Fire dew?"
""Very good indeed. In the Silver Water Holy Sea, the inhabitants of the lower layers are deprived of everything by the inhabitants of the deeper layers. Even life is easy. Residents of the bubble world cannot even notice it. For them, there is no such thing as outside the world, and it seems to be order."
Eques said that the fire dew was consumed to sustain the world.
He may not have known it either. He believed he was robbing them, but in fact he was being robbed.
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I could easily say that this is the best proof I've ever seen for the sea of silver to have transcendental layers, it wouldn't make sense for a being of a lower layer not to realize the existence of a being of a higher layer and simply say that the layers It simply has immeasurably higher concepts, even if the concepts were 99.9% higher it should still be able to perceive the existence of a higher layer, but when a higher layer is considered a higher dimension it makes much more sense, as beings of lower dimensions cannot perceive the existence of beings of higher dimensions.

Which is exactly what happens in the layers.
 
Dog3352 said:
I could easily say that this is the best proof I've ever seen for the sea of silver to have transcendental layers, it wouldn't make sense for a being of a lower layer not to realize the existence of a being of a higher layer and simply say that the layers It simply has immeasurably higher concepts, even if the concepts were 99.9% higher it should still be able to perceive the existence of a higher layer, but when a higher layer is considered a higher dimension it makes much more sense, as beings of lower dimensions cannot perceive the existence of beings of higher dimensions.

Which is exactly what happens in the layers.
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You see.

  1. Inaccessible layers
  2. Transcending from zero layer to layer 1 to perceive outside world and Hierarchy in Silver Sea.
Thede two alone is enough to says layers are higher dimensional. But I am pretty sure some people gonna say some stupid things like "just stronger" which doesn't make sense.

Beside first we need to upgrade Bubble world to 2A.
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
You see.

  1. Inaccessible layers
  2. Transcending from zero layer to layer 1 to perceive outside world and Hierarchy in Silver Sea.
Thede two alone is enough to says layers are higher dimensional. But I am pretty sure some people gonna say some stupid things like "just stronger" which doesn't make sense.

Beside first we need to upgrade Bubble world to 2A.
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I agree, but apparently the discussions here are not being placed yet or is it my impression? If update the bubble world to 2B or 2A, will also have to change the tier of some Maou Gakuin characters.
 
Dog3352 said:
I agree, but apparently the discussions here are not being posted yet or is it my impression? If update the bubble world to 2B or 2A, will also have to change the tier of some Maou Gakuin characters.
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Devil Garden Misha created has stated to tank attacks of hundreds of thousands worlds destruction. Well it shares Sasha power. The point is they are already 2B. With this.
 
I think we need to create a profile for Eques. Upgrade bubble world to 2A. Then worry about Hyperversal. Even I would love to see Anos being hyperversal in wiki. For now I think we need to work on upgrading bubble world.
People thinks bubble are only 2C. Lmao
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
I think we need to create a profile for Eques. Upgrade bubble world to 2A. Then worry about Hyperversal. Even I would love to see Anos being hyperversal in wiki. For now I think we need to work on upgrading bubble world.
People thinks bubble are only 2C. Lmao
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Worse, there are people who think they are Low 2-C, and even some who think they are planets.
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
I think we need to create a profile for Eques.
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Indeed, but i'm not good on creating profiles so i'll leave that to someone.
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
People thinks bubble are only 2C. Lmao
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Dog3352 said:
Worse, there are people who think they are Low 2-C
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Well, they are currently treated as L2-C, and the most we can expect is 2-C bubbles, and if we are very lucky, 2-B or 2-A.
Dog3352 said:
and even some who think they are planets.
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I when I didn't know anything about the verse I thought bubbles were planets, so I don't blame them, unless they are just lowballers.
 
An easy way to get 2-B or 2-A bubbles, is for the universes to be infinite/endless size and possess countless realm universe-sized in each bubble (I think it is actually like that in the verse).
 
Dereck03 said:
Indeed, but i'm not good on creating profiles so i'll leave that to someone.
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Same i tried create a profile and messed up once. I even got warning. So i am not gonna do something like that.
Dereck03 said:
Well, they are currently treated as L2-C, and the most we can expect is 2-C bubbles, and if we are very lucky, 2-B or 2-A.
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You see Fixxed already explained it very better. Atleast bubble world would get 2B possibly 2A rating
Dereck03 said:
I when I didn't know anything about the verse I thought bubbles were planets, so I don't blame them, unless they are just lowballers.
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But when you think about it most downplayers are just people who lack knowledge on the series.
 
Dog3352 said:
Worse, there are people who think they are Low 2-C, and even some who think they are planets.
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That's kinda hella downplay. I was thinking about arguing for 1C but i think from the scans and explanation we should directly aim for 1B. Not possibly just straight up 1B.
 
I would like to give high godly regeneration for Misha based on Agronemut as she is shown to learn many things from Anos possibility of she knowing it isn't less. Also pretty much there is somewhere it's stated Misha is good at source magic.
 
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