3-A DBS manga upgrade.

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Ouch. That puts a wrench in things then. I thought we don't use Kai.

Let's use Daizenshu instead.

We don't disregard it completely, anyways, and the model from DBZ Kai and Daizenshu are equal, regardless.

 

[KLOL506]

Let's use Daizenshu instead.

We don't disregard it completely, anyways, and the model from DBZ Kai and Daizenshu are equal, regardless.

I'll still need a good quality image of the Daizenshuu map.

 

[Vietthai96]

That puts a wrench in things then. I thought we don't use Kai.

We don't use Kai, however the cosmology is all the same for all Dragon Ball so we still can use it's model

 

[KLOL506]

We don't use Kai, however the cosmology is all the same for all Dragon Ball so we still can use it's model

True. The cosmologies are the exact same in all materials so uh, oh well.

I'll see if I can find a Blu-Ray copy of that episode for kicks.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

I'll still need a good quality image of the Daizenshuu map.

True. The cosmologies are the exact same in all materials so uh, oh well.

I'll see if I can find a Blu-Ray copy of that episode for kicks.

KLOL, with the anime model, I'm sure the results would be decent, right???

 

[KLOL506]

KLOL, with the anime model, I'm sure the results would be decent, right???

Hopefully so.

 

[AKM sama]

This was the original one, but it is outdated since it came before the Kaioshin realm was introduced.

This was the updated one, also used by the anime. The anime map is identical, so any one can be used.

Btw, if you ask me, Earth is at the edge of the universe, so the observable universe sphere should also be placed somewhere near the edge, which would inflate the result by a lot, if we decide to go that route, but it certainly can be discussed. We can probably make two ends for the calc, one assuming that the observable universe fits at the bottom center, and the other assuming that the observable universe fits somewhere near the edge.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

This was the original one, but it is outdated since it came before the Kaioshin realm was introduced.

This was the updated one, also used by the anime. The anime map is identical, so any one can be used.

Btw, if you ask me, Earth is at the edge of the universe, so the observable universe sphere should also be placed somewhere near the edge, which would inflate the result by a lot, if we decide to go that route, but it certainly can be discussed. We can probably make two ends for the calc, one assuming that the observable universe fits at the bottom center, and the other assuming that the observable universe fits somewhere near the edge.

The results could give us a decent rating such as 3-A, no?

 

[Vietthai96]

From Anime (which i remember it is DBS, or Kai, and also on AKM current Blog already)

 

[Kulf_Boba]

This was the original one, but it is outdated since it came before the Kaioshin realm was introduced.

This was the updated one, also used by the anime. The anime map is identical, so any one can be used.

Btw, if you ask me, Earth is at the edge of the universe, so the observable universe sphere should also be placed somewhere near the edge, which would inflate the result by a lot, if we decide to go that route, but it certainly can be discussed. We can probably make two ends for the calc, one assuming that the observable universe fits at the bottom center, and the other assuming that the observable universe fits somewhere near the edge.

But in the Observable Universe, the Earth is in the center, and if we assume that DB's universe is the same as ours, you can't put it on the edge.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

But in the Observable Universe, the Earth is in the center, and if we assume that DB's universe is the same as ours, you can't put it on the edge.

Nah, even Bulma says that the Earth is at the edge of the Universe....

So no..

 

[Kulf_Boba]

Nah, even Bulma says that the Earth is at the edge of the Universe....

So no..

I'm talking about Earth IRL

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

I'm talking about Earth IRL

Yeah, but this is DB, and Bulma says that the very Earth of U7 is at the edge of the Universe....

So what AKM says about the edge is more or less right

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

I'm talking about Earth IRL

Yeah by the edge, not literally the endpoint of the universe. we know for a fact there are bodies surrounding the earth.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Yeah by the edge, not literally the endpoint of the universe. we know for a fact there are bodies surrounding the earth.

It's crazy how the Earth's position can change the AP outcome Imao

 

[Kulf_Boba]

Yeah, but this is DB, and Bulma says that the very Earth of U7 is at the edge of the Universe....

I have never said otherwise.

So what AKM says about the edge is more or less right

Putting the Observable Universe on the edge makes no sense first because the Earth IRL is in the center and second because the other half of the universe would be outside the macrocosm since the center is on the edge.

 

[Vietthai96]

As King1 said, at the edge, not the endpoint as there is still distance between Earth and the very dimensional wall that enclosed the Living Realm, so by all mean, from Earth we still have observable universe, with observable universe one end is the endpoint of the living realm

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

I have never said otherwise.

Putting the Observable Universe on the edge makes no sense first because the Earth IRL is in the center and second because the other half of the universe would be outside the macrocosm since the center is on the edge.

Look, the Earth doesn't necessarily have to be at the center. There could be other planets.

And also, this DB, while it is said to be based in our Universe, It doesn't have to be 10/10 identical to ours.
Anime universes follow different logics.

Look, this is fiction, not Real life.

And Bulma said that the Earth is in the edge, is the author/writer and even the character who are saying it, not me.

So better try to debunk Toriyama itself.

 

[Kulf_Boba]

As King1 said, at the edge, not the endpoint as there is still distance between Earth and the very dimensional wall that enclosed the Living Realm, so by all mean, from Earth we still have observable universe, with observable universe one end is the endpoint of the living realm

So would you assume that the distance from Earth (DB) to the edge is a distance of half the Observable Universe?

 

[Vietthai96]

remember, the lower half of the Macrocosm called the Living Realm, not the Observable Universe, and it is stated to resemble the real universe, not 1:1 or carbon copy. Also in real life we have two theories with one is infinite universe, other is expanding universe. Observable universe is the expanding universe theory, which as the theory itself, we only know up 46.508 billion light years radius, there is still unknown space beyond, which by all mean, still fit in DB Universe

 

[Vietthai96]

So would you assume that the distance from Earth (DB) to the edge is a distance of half the Observable Universe?

in a sense, yes, you can assume it, as it is stated Earth to be at the edge of the universe, not the very dimensional wall which enclosed the Lower Half of the Macrocosm which is the Living Realm. The edge is a broad term

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

remember, the lower half of the Macrocosm called the Living Realm, not the Observable Universe, and it is stated to resemble the real universe, not 1:1 or carbon copy. Also in real life we have two theories with one is infinite universe, other is expanding universe. Observable universe is the expanding universe theory, which as the theory itself, we only know up 46.508 billion light years radius, there is still unknown space beyond, which by all mean, still fit in DB Universe

Also, the Universe is only "based" in our, it was never mentioned that it was identical.

And also, one more note, the Earth doesn't necessarily have to be at the center of the Universe.
I mean, it's insignicant itself becouse there could be other planets.

 

[Vietthai96]

Unless Bulma or whatever trustworthy characters say that: the Earth is at the end of the Universe then yes, our efforts is moot. However, it is the edge, not the end

 

[Kulf_Boba]

in a sense, yes, you can assume it, as it is stated Earth to be at the edge of the universe, not the very dimensional wall which enclosed the Lower Half of the Macrocosm which is the Living Realm. The edge is a broad term

Well then, how would you put the Observable Universe on the Map of the Macrocosm?


Would the distance represented here from Earth to the Edge of the Universe be 46.508 billion light years?

 

[Vietthai96]

Well then, how would you put the Observable Universe on the Map of the Macrocosm?

Would the distance represented here from Earth to the Edge of the Universe be 46.508 billion light years?

Visual, by all mean is just for reference and scaling, we don't use visual too literal

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Well then, how would you put the Observable Universe on the Map of the Macrocosm?


Would the distance represented here from Earth to the Edge of the Universe be 46.508 billion light years?

And again, that's a visual representation. And Bulma stated that the Earth is far away from the center of the Universe.

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with God900 and Vietthai regarding Bulma's statement.

 

[Vietthai96]

Also for people who think the Earth is at the edge of the universe mean the end. Beerus and Goku shockwaves travelled across the universe, reaching to the Kaioshin Realm, then the other side of the shockwave should also reach to other Universe if the Earth is at the end of the universe given how large scale the shockwave is. However nothing indicated the shockwave reach to other universe, that mean the distance between Earth and the Universe endpoint or dimensional wall is still very large. Unless we claim one side of the shockwave travel not far away which make no sense at all

 

[Kulf_Boba]

Visual, by all mean is just for reference and scaling, we don't use visual too literal

Wait, what would be the reason for assuming that this distance is 46.508 million light years?

 

[Vietthai96]

Wait, what would be the reason for assuming that this distance is 46.508 million light years?

well, there is still distance between Earth and the dimensional wall, so you can assume any number on that distance, visual is just for reference and scaling, observable universe size is a safe assumption

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Wait, what would be the reason for assuming that this distance is 46.508 million light years?

Again, we have no reason to assume the Earth is in the center of the very Universe. Stop bringning your own interpretation, please.

See the scan above.

Is not in the center, when it was stated otherwise in the show. Unless you think your Word holds more value than Bulma's
Is stated to be too far from it, and that's all.

 

[Kulf_Boba]

And again, that's a visual representation. And Bulma stated that the Earth is far away from the center of the Universe.

As depicted, its location would count as very far from the center of the universe.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

As depicted, its location would count as very far from the center of the universe.

Exactly, again.

This is not a carbon copy of our Universe.

 

[Vietthai96]

As depicted, its location would count as very far from the center of the universe.

yes very far from the center, but it also doesn't mean Earth is close to the end. Distance is a subjective term

 

[Kulf_Boba]

Also for people who think the Earth is at the edge of the universe mean the end. Beerus and Goku shockwaves travelled across the universe, reaching to the Kaioshin Realm, then the other side of the shockwave should also reach to other Universe if the Earth is at the end of the universe given how large scale the shockwave is. However nothing indicated the shockwave reach to other universe, that mean the distance between Earth and the Universe endpoint or dimensional wall is still very large. Unless we claim one side of the shockwave travel not far away which make no sense at all

Shockwaves can pass through dimensional barriers.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Distance is a subjective term

Exactly

 

[Vietthai96]

anyway it is midnight in my timezone, i already gave my point, guys please debate in peace ^^. I'm going to sleep

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Shockwaves can pass through dimensional barriers.

Yes, but again distance is Subjective.

You can be very far from the center, but that doesn't flatout mean you are near the dimensional walls of the Universe.

And again, the map you got there is just a model. Just a reference for scaling.

That's all.

 

[Kulf_Boba]

Again, we have no reason to assume the Earth is in the center of the very Universe. Stop bringning your own interpretation, please.

See the scan above.

Is not in the center, when it was stated otherwise in the show. Unless you think your Word holds more value than Bulma's
Is stated to be too far from it, and that's all.

Friend you do not understand anything, tell me when I told you that the EARTH of Dragon Ball is in the center of the universe.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Yes, but again distance is Subjective.

You can be very far from the center, but that doesn't flatout mean you are near the dimensional walls of the Universe.
And again, the map you got there is just a model. Just a reference for scaling.

That's all.