Noneless21
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Alrite, so zoro has aoe, range, and better at CQC, while naruto has number and genjutsu which is win gg for naruto, so how will the battle commence then hmmm
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Naruto VS Zoro
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If zoro wasn't paralyzed he would be able to move tho...
Anyway what if Zoro uses his fear manipulation on the toads making it so they disrupt their chakra flow?
Also doesn't zoro resist part of the genjutsu because of the resistance to spatial manipulation?
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Well, he's paralyzed, so too bad.
That won't happen because he'll be completely incapacitated if he's caught in the Jutsu. He won't have any control over his body.
No, he doesn't, because it's not literal Spatial Manipulation, it's just mental binding as I showed in the scan. I have no idea why that shit's on the profile tbh.
EDIT: the profile doesn't actually have Spatial Manipulation, so that's good.
Noneless21
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I think spatial manip resistance didn't play the role here because only your mind that was "send" into different place so i guess zoro dodn't resist that type os spatial manip
I mean, if he indeed can induce fear on them, then they will probably start the genjutsu preparation because they know zoro is an enemy they cen't pull their punches with
Noneless21
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Anyway, if ma and pa did indeed immedietly start their genjutsu preparation after the match startes then zoro's wincon will be dwindled
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Nah, he can still kill Naruto before they pull it off. His ranged attacks are spammable.
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Also, like I said before, if this is War Arc Sage Naruto then this whole discussion is pointless because he won't summon the toads regardless.
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No that does not work Naruto has all kinds of 6th sense abilities which still get effected
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He doesn't need any control over his body... He'll just release insane amount of blood lust
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Noneless21
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Well zoro will get close to naruto anyway until naruto's frog kumite overwhelms him then he can spam ranged attacks
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The fact that sensory shinobi, SM users and other people with 6th senses are still effected by genjutsu and are not immune because they can sense through other ways
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Not 6th sense.
That's presence sensing... This is what's on his profile
Enhanced Senses and Extrasensory Perception (Can sense attacks without directly seeing them, allowing him to dodge appropriately and can detect targets over great distances)
Nothing about having a 6th sense
Stop using things that isn't on his profile or without any proof to back it up.
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That literally means it negs observation from doing anything of note and yes they are practically sixth senses
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Neg observation haki?
Abilities that are granted by this type of Haki are varying levels of Extrasensory Perception, Telepathy, Precognition, Information Analysis, Enhanced Senses, and Instinctive Reaction (the last two are elaborated on here).
You already know this
No proof.
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Telepathy is extremely limited, Instinctive reaction is useless as he cannot move, Precog and Info analysis means nothing without being able to sense anything with your other senses
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No it is not.
Even tho rough translation
I know.
What?
speedster352
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Naruto can spam shadow clones and have them use Rasengan and rasenshuriken then make a distraction for ma and pa to use Genjutsu
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Naruto can't spam clones while in Sage Mode unfortunately.
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Yes Precog would actually need them to be able to sense stuff in the presense before seeing the future. Hell Zoro does not have advanced so his precog is trash. Info Analysis literally does not work without something to actually analyze
Read his mind would work if again you weren't incapped. (also he would have to read multiple peoples/frogs minds which IIRC Haki has never done)
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Not true. He literally knows the future
Info analysis is from reading people stats and abilities
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No he literally doesn't he at best sees a tiny bit into the future
Yeah great now just a minor issue of not seeing them as he is in a genjutsu
Also none of those statements contradict what I said the first is literally just ESP the second doesn't specify a number or make it seem to be above 1
Noneless21
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Yeah zoro's kenbun is not as good as luffy's sadly so zoro cannot just go precog immedietly
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he literally can...
Haki users actively uses observation haki to outprecog each other
He doesn't see into the future, he literally knows the future, what you mean at best?
Noneless21
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I actually didn't remember when zoro uses his kenbun that good so we might need some scan to proof it
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Leaning towards to zoro
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yeah no the only ones who do that are literally ones with advanced observation
He doesn’t know the future he can barely see into the future at all and is nowhere close to where you think he is
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Zoro is proficient observation haki user making him the same tier as doffy and luffy in dressrosa, doffy, luffy and law all used observation haki to outprecog each other and stuff...
In manga it is very hard to know when they use it... They most we could see was with luffy's fight against katakuri which they both talk about observation haki and are actively using obs haki to outprecog each other
This is literally the basics of observation haki
Knowing the future
speedster352
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Also sage mode gives Naruto an ability similar to observation haki I am still voting Naruto
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No it doesn't.
Noneless21
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Yeah naruto do have extrasensory with sage mode similiar to kenbun tho kenbun is better in my opinion because itbalso read the intent of your opponent
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They are literally just using observation after the other uses it causing them to account for the others observation hakiZoro is proficient observation haki user making him the same tier as doffy and luffy in dressrosa, doffy, luffy and law all used observation haki to outprecog each other and stuff...
In manga it is very hard to know when they use it... They most we could see was with luffy's fight against katakuri which they both talk about observation haki and are actively using obs haki to outprecog each other
This is literally the basics of observation haki
Knowing the future
none of that states they know the future it’s literally just them using intent sensing to figure out what the opponents next move will be
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Kinda does. He can sense danger, attacks, and negative intent better than KCM, and his sensing range extends up to hundreds if not thousands of kilometers going by War Arc feats.
Noneless21
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Well the version we're using now is the pain arc with the toads so it may not span that much tho the time fram can say otherwise
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And that means it's the same as observation haki when all it can do is presence sense and danger sense.
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It's more or less the same, minus precog and telepathy, but with better range.
Noneless21
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Then we can assume that zoro know what naruto and his gang will be doing and try to exploit his range advantages to his fullest while naruto just need to buy time for the genjutsu to kick in and it will be gg for naruto
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Minus information analysis, minus Instinctive Reaction, minus Enhanced Hearing, minus Aura Vision: The ability to see hormonal output, minus X-Ray Vision: The ability to see through an object, minus Emotion Vision: The ability to see the emotions of others, minus Soul Vision: Ability to see souls, spirits, and ghosts, minus Enhanced Sixth: Users of this rare ability can feel changes without knowing how or why... and more we don't know off
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If we restrict Gamabunta doesn't it just disqualify the match from being added?
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