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Dude, cut it out. We already covered this...
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Naruto VS Zoro
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Noneless21
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My point is this can go either way as zoro definitely has the chance to just wipe them all out while naruto has the chance to outlast zoro and induce paralysis genjutsu
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I don't remember... Again we use what the profile are right now, it's not my problem that it's listed as spatial manipulation.
Noneless21
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Well then ill clarify that the type of spatial manip that naruto uses is VERY different than the spatial manip in OP. it is very clearly stated that only their mind that got bfr'ed so it needs better wording there
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It's not though.....
And I already explained to you how the ability works. It's not my problem that you refuse to read.
Noneless21
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Welp then ill vote incon then because like i said, zoro can just wipes them all with his aoe tornado and spam range while naruto can outlast him and induce paralysis genjutsu
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Noneless21
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speedster352
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Where are the naruto supporters?
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That's all you have said, yet didn't fully answer my question and didn't make sense, as zoro doesn't need to have control over his body to use fear manipulation and the spatial manipulation is in the Ma and Pa section.
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Yes, he does. If he doesn't have control over either his mind or body, then how the hell will he use it??? It's not a passive ability, dude. He needs conscious control to exude his aura.
And it's irrelevant, because I already explained to you how the ability functions and showed you the scan explaining it. There's no Spatial Manipulation at play here, at all.
Anyway, I'm gonna unfollow this thread. OP vs Naruto matches are ******* insufferable. It's approaching Naruto vs Bleach levels of annoyance back in the day.
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Just remove my vote…
humans.
speedster352
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Yes since these are sentient frogs not those other mindless animals in one piece.
Lugh_Tuathe_Dé
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Scan for the frogs that they resist haoshoku? and animal manip?
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No they aren't the vast majority of them are shown to be wild beasts with rare exceptions like certain sea kings (which are not effected to begin with)
Also did those Monkeys have anything other then sword skill
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In the first chapter of the manga Shanks affects a sea king with Haoshoku. Where did you get that most animals are wild beasts without rationality? Several animals throughout the series have shown feats of human intellect: Surume (a sea king), Holy, Yokozuna, Carue, Laboon and so on. In fact, animals speak to each other in a language that humans do not understand.
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That Sea King is an exception which is why I said certain ones
So any feats of Conquerors effecting any of them. Literally all of the animals I have seen it work on acted like mindless beasts and didn't show intelligence near the level of a human
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Onimaru, Hattori (both animals that speaks the human language), Chouchou, Papppag (sea star who speaks the human language too and is still a fashion designer).
1- There is no mention or evidence of any exception, you are inferring this from yout headcanon. 2- Yes, Surume was tamed by Luffy's Haoshoku, and it makes no difference either, since animals in One Piece aren't irrational.
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So the lord of the coast literally violently attacking the first thing It sees makes it rational. Really
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The Indians on the sentinel island will shoot arrows at you if you approach them too. Btw, Luffy once tamed a bull who entered himself in a deadly tournament in order to acquire the Mera Mera no Mi.
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You think the bull entered himself into the tournament. really you actually think that literally nobody there could even speak animal other then chopper how would he even enter the tournament on his own
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Surume's not mindless at all and he fell under Haoshoku.
Sea Kings are extremely intelligent creatures who fall under Haoshoku.
I see nothing that stops them from getting put under Haoshoku
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Fukasaku getting clapped by conquerors is wank.
Bruh zoro ain't even a proficient user if da ting. He doean't even know he has it.
Bruh zoro ain't even a proficient user if da ting. He doean't even know he has it.
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Then Naruto main wincon (Genjutsu) can be countered by Haoshoku?
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If human beings can be KO'd under Haoshoku, and animals can as well, nothing stops the toads from getting KO'd.
They don't even have a resistance
They don't even have a resistance
speedster352
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Naruto also has durability negation
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Being a human or animal is irrelevant from how conquerors works. It knocks out those with weak will power. Fukasaku does not have weak will power.
Zoro massively outranges, and also outranges the frog strike in close combat via having a sword. Sage sensing is countered by zoro's many times more effective sensing due to observation haki.
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It knocks out those with inferior willpower.
The only thing supporting Fukusaku and Shima not getting Haoshoku'd is "they're sentient", which isn't a good reason for them to stay conscious
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Not anyone with weak willpower, there are many cases of characters withstanding conquerors from characters with stronger will power. If that were the case then all conquerors users can knock out any non conquerors users.
Fukasaku is a wise and old shinobi. Shinobi aren't weak willed.
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Did I not say close combat?
He was still able to hit one of the pains with frog strike despite using the black rods, I really don't think having a sword matters when Naruto can also just dodge
His haki doesn't really matter much against Frog Strike
He is unable to sense the aura of the senjutsu unless he's trained in senjutsu.
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Like I said before I'm not saying Naruto is winning, or he's better than Zoro, I'm just saying that Zoro doesn't massively outskill, or at the very least Naruto is comparable
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He outranges in close combat yes.
Zoro is more skilled I believe, "lol dodge" doesn't work. Zoro is much more skilled at using a sword than nagato is at using a rod. This man has been beating sword masters when he was younger than naruto.
Wut? Precognition hello? That's independant on whether zoro can sense it or not. Zoro can probably not sense it however, I don't think observation has layers of sensing while nature energy does.
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Massively? He outranges cause he has a sword, but that's it. Naruto can also fight with kunai's so close combat range isn't really a determining factor here.
???? I'm not saying that Zoro isn't more skilled. Just because he's more skilled doesn't mean Naruto is unable to dodge.
That isn't my point. I was saying that he was still able to strike someone despite having the range disadvantage (using a black rod).
It's not about layers. It's completely dependent on if the user is trained on senjutsu or not.
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Yeah exaggeration. However, a sword does indeed grant a big range advantage. Also kunai bruh like that changes anything.
Zoro has like 2 different analytical predictions and a precognition as well as being more skilled, Naruto dodging anything reliably is doubt.
That would make it a NLF.
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whatever floats your boat
