When happened that? Because the only Sigurd vs Mash that I remember was when Surtr controlled his body.
which, again, doesn't change anything. It's still sigurd who does it, and there are multiple indications that he was operating at his usual power level
Also, Raikou absolutely stomped Mash in the first event she appeared, even in 4 vs 1 (Kintoki, Mash, Ushiwakamaru, Fuuma Kotarou, and Benkei) and was only defeated by a surprise attack of Shuten Douji (which herself is also a powerful servant).
not really. Stomping her would be her head rolling on the floor, or at least dealing with them with absolutely no problem. She was winning, but it was a "win", or an easy win against mash. It doesn't help that, again, it was an amped form
How big was again the aoe of the NP? Because she could dodge the throw blades, also, don't the NP show his true outstanding power against dragon only? Same as Siegfried Balmung.
Excalibur scaling, the dragon niche is a bonus.
How many times someone could kill a servant with a death rune? I honestly want to know that because I don't rememeber Cú
Cu... doesn't have primordial runes
doing so or even Scáthach/Skadi
She's a caster, a rune that is specifically meant to be put on someone isn't exactly her forte. Plus it's not like she ever needed it, except against surtur, but brynhildr stated that it was too strong for even an illusion rune before being weakened. He's 1-C so it checks out
, and in the case that he can indeed kill another servant with them, why is assumed that he would use them when I don't remember any time in which he used them, I haven't see all his scenes but I saw many of them and I don't remember that. Cool that his stats are high, Raikou stats are also high do to the combo of Mana Burst + Mystery Killer since Sigurd activate it.
Litterally his first scene ever was him using it on sherlock ffs. High stats vs high stats means raikou can't overwhelm him in that regard, with a stronger np and his runes, that puts him at an advantage.
Don't know if you know this, but Siegfried have defeated before Sieg (in the event of Las Vegas)
Summer events are hardly consistent compared to the main story, and even then, siegfried explicitly stated that the only reason he won was because we were with him to support him.
so I don't know from when it come that Sigurd massively upscale above Siegfried when they are always treated as equals in game.
They're not.
You say skilstomped Holmes but first of all that was Surtr and second Holmes isn't actually a physical fighter, he can fight? Yes, that don't change that he isn't actually a physical combatant, his baritsu for example he himself say is only good for self defence.
a B++ skill that can reach the level of a noble phantasm. It being specialized in defense really doesn't make it better when the point is that he instantly defeated holmes. And again, that was surtur in command but most definitively a showing of sigurd's power.
The glasses is a good point, but Raikou quite literally stomped someone with a NP that give knowledge like the Blessing of Wisdom which not only give knowledge but also high calculation power and info analysis. Suzuka could only scratch the cheek of Raikou after a long fight because of the effects of Blessing of Wisdom in the long run.
First, that's wrong. They were roughly equal, raikou came out a bit above thanks to circumstances, but they were close for the whole fight. Second, blessing of wisdom DOESN'T gives her knowledge, it increases her processing ability and makes her smarter, so she wouldn't know, "ah, she's that dangerous, I absolutely have to release my noble phantasm". There's a reason she has a whole NP dedicated to knowing things, you know, the one she used to stomp raikou. Fourth, suzuka doesn't have a noble phantasm equal in power to excalibur that she can instantly release if her opponent is a threat, unlike sigurd.
He didn't stomped Mash nor Sherlock
did tho
he was defeated by in a fight Siegfried.
you're repeating yourself
Raikou in turn have all the Shimosa singularity that put her massively above Sigurd
Like what? Japanese servants outside of a select fews aren't exactly the strongest bunch. You can roughly guess that she was superior to the swordsmen before her, but being stronger than houzouin, tomoe and chiyome isn't the greatest feat. Then using it to scale her to anything else is pointless since she was amped
but if that wasn't enough in Las Vegas for example the protagonist group (Mash, Osakabehime, Melt, Siegfried, Kotarou, Hokusai and I think more servants that I don't remember) needed the help of Raikou to defeat a enemy that stomped them
Are you kidding me? It was literally a joke about how raikou mommy aura countered Jeanne big sister beam.
similarly there exist several more events and story parts in which Raikou is not only treated as a big deal but is also needed to defeat a great enemy.
And I don't doubt her mommy aura was extremely useful in those.
I suppose you refer to
this right? Because this was only a training against two greenhorns, yeah Hokusai have some experience do to Las Vegas and is better with the sword than what one can initially expect, but she still is always treated as a novice and at the end in the final fight she herself admit that is inferior to characters of Siegfried level, the same Siegfried that defeated Sigurd and who needed the help of Raikou. Also, if you want to use him teaching to Hokusai Raikou did the same, so this don't put him above her.
"Sieg, finding an opening, becomes Siegfried and clash, but Sigurd just knock him (detransformed) down with a blow at the body."
"Hokusai slash, but got deflected."
"He cut down made a large tree fall by pure swordsmanship alone without any other buff. The two got stunned speechless."
"After battle, the duo breathes tiredly. Sigurd notes that it's pretty good. And if they train without sagging, they can pave the way of the sword. Hokusai celebrates that its over before ko-ing, saying too tired. Sieg want to help carry, but he's also too tired and also joins in ko. Guda says they fall in satisfaction."
If you want to play the tier 1 card then I can very well do the same because Musashi used tier 1 shit to defeat Raikou (eyes + karma cut), Suzuka needed tier 1 shit to defeat Raikou (Combo of Blessing of Wisdom + Trichiliocosm which is not only basically SIN level of hax but also divine hax, and even then she admited that she only won because Raikou didn't wanted to use her own tier 1 things), she played a big role in the Imaginary Scramble event, and in LB 6 she also played a important role in the defeat of Ibuki Douji and Ashiya.
tier 1 abilities and tier 1 AP are 2 different things. just getting past the resistances wouldn't matter if your opponent can get you in a single hit would it? And the other difference is that raikou lost multiple times to non-tier 1, starting with shuten as you mentionned earlier. Also "participating in a fight" would make mash the strongest servant so... yeah.
This is an stomp? No, Sigurd have the means both in power and intellect to defeat Raikou, but I at least see more times Raikou winning than not.
I mean I'm not even gonna argue about skills and such more than that, how does raikou get past the wisdom+gram combo?
