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Four Knights of the Apocalypse/Nanatsu no Taizai Main Discussion Thread

Aether_ said:
Bro can i ask?
In the profile meliodas, full counter it said Attack Reflection (Can reflect magic attacks and amplify them. Meliodas has also shown the ability to reflect non magical Darkness and Lightning)

where does it come the non magical reflect?
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darkness for demons ISNT magic... but it can be USED/FUSED with magic... as for the other the lightning came from a storm which meliodas reflected... this is why we had a big war on if meliodas could relfect non magical things... also theres a 3rd which was a air shockwave in the start of the series but i dont use that anymore cuz i assume nabaka didnt fully think about full counter then.
 
I think we only use that method circumstantially.

I could also look into some better sizes for the rock, like comparing it to Drole.
 
can someone translate this its about the graces , kinda like how we got flash grace but this one is much different and tbh ive never seen it before

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why isn't anyone calculating this?

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Basically meliodas reflected the lightning after he returned from the zeldris' mind, i did my version and it came out as sub relativistic
 
Not that big, unfortunately. This is for Ludoshel's Flash, which maybe only Cusack has reacted to and Ominous Nebula after being doubled in speed (I checked the raws and they say doubled) surpasses.

Also, I checked the raws, and Merlin says that Britannia could be destroyed if Meliodas and DK continue to have influence for too long. So it's an overtime feat.
 
ByAsura said:
Not that big, unfortunately. This is for Ludoshel's Flash, which maybe only Cusack has reacted to and Ominous Nebula after being doubled in speed (I checked the raws and they say doubled) surpasses.
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Zeldris would scale, Original Demon maybe would scale aswell, the supreme deity would scale at full power and the demon king would scale at full power and true magic meliodas being> demon king would scale aswell


Can you go through a calc for me?
 
Zeldris never reacted to Flash, and was only confirmed to be faster by activating his second mark with Ominous Nebula. Also, most characters in the series are below Ludoshel's vessel, let alone his true body that's also confirmed to be SoL with Flash.

I'll do the lightning one soon. Just looking through some stuff.
 
ByAsura said:
Zeldris never reacted to Flash, and was only confirmed to be faster by activating his second mark with Ominous Nebula. Also, most characters in the series are below Ludoshel's vessel, let alone his true body that's also confirmed to be SoL with Flash.

I'll do the lightning one soon. Just looking through some stuff.
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thats a good point... ludo could blitz zel but his darkness attack speed is faster which imo is odd xd ..
Majinere566 said:
Zeldris would scale, Original Demon maybe would scale aswell, the supreme deity would scale at full power and the demon king would scale at full power and true magic meliodas being> demon king would scale aswell


Can you go through a calc for me?
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original demon was getting owned from ludos true body tbh... they only scale to the host body the true body was owning them. THo indura deri and monspeet easily scales , drole magic speed scales since he stopped ludo from killing them in the past.
 
Rabbit2002 said:
Not really sure if indura deri and monspeet can sales, iirc Ludo did not use his grace in that fight
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ludo is always using his grace... the way he teleport behind deri is the same way he did vs escanor... his grace is the hardest to notice cuz its speed based... also indura deri blitzed him so hell ya she scales... on top of that. Ludo hates demons aint no way hes not using his grace every chance he sees them.
 
Zezu1995 said:
thats a good point... ludo could blitz zel but his darkness attack speed is faster which imo is odd xd ..
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More like his Ominous Nebula speed. Ominous Nebula is what happens when Zeldris makes a cocoon and accelerates his darkness and concentration to the limit, so it's faster than something like a darkness attack.
Zezu1995 said:
ludo is always using his grace... the way he teleport behind deri is the same way he did vs escanor... his grace is the hardest to notice cuz its speed based... also indura deri blitzed him so hell ya she scales... on top of that. Ludo hates demons aint no way hes not using his grace every chance he sees them.
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That's not shown. If we go by the Escanor and Zeldris fights, it's closer to bursts than a constant rate of movement.

Edit: I should clarify. Yes, he was definitely using it while blitzing Derieri, but we're not shown that he uses is 100% of the time.
 
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right and he was blitzing them tho i guess that debunks scaling for SOL for certain ppl... but zeldris should get "SOL attack speed or something" SD/DK would auto scale , merlin teleport = speed based seeing that she could teleport mass before he doubled it
 
Just FTL via Ominous Nebula in conjunction with 2nd Demon Mark will suffice.
 
So Ludo has SoL via Grace and Crusack, Chandler can scale from him. SD SoL due to Grace is one of her power and DK can scales to her or many characters such as Deri & Monspeet can keep up with Ludo.
 
they only scale via night time tho... ludo blitzed both of them before he and zeldris had a 1v1 . soo maybe its inconsistency? idk
 
Firstly, night only increases magical power according to the raws.

Secondly, Cusack was implied to have outpaced Flash at some point, but then True Body Ludoshel (it's confirmed the Grace itself moves at SoL, not just possessed Margaret) curbstomps the Original Demon without even using Flash.

Third, Derieri only keep and up outclass him in their Indura Forms, which are among the strongest characters in the series.
 
i get the magic/power buff thing but speed isnt in the tier list for NNT its "power/magic/spirit" soo speed should tie into magic/power imo tho i could be very very wrong
 
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