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The topic here is downgrading NEP2 and TD2, Fantasy Nature isn't a part of this conversation"ability downgrade"
this thread shouldn't exist then.
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The topic here is downgrading NEP2 and TD2, Fantasy Nature isn't a part of this conversation"ability downgrade"
this thread shouldn't exist then.
explainThe topic here is downgrading NEP2 and TD2, Fantasy Nature isn't a part of this conversation
Basic logicexplain
would you care to explain that basic logic to me?Basic logic
Touhou Downgrade ability is only the title, and we're focusing what the OP wanted to downgrade, not some randos saying this and this should be downgraded, no CRT downgrade will be concluded if randos coming in and saying this should be downgraded.would you care to explain that basic logic to me?
Then they would've been more specific in their thread's title, I'm sorry you don't understand that, it's not my problem.Touhou Downgrade ability is only the title, and we're focusing what the OP wanted to downgrade, not some randos saying this and this should be downgraded
Can you at least be respectful and not add more problem here?Then they would've been more specific in their thread's title, I'm sorry you don't understand that, it's not my problem.
I am just doing the one thing this part of the site was designed for :\, sorry about being a bit disrespectful but I just saw something that kind of needed to be specific, it's not your fault though don't worry about it.Can you at least be respectful and not add more problem here?
Then they would've been more specific in their thread's title, I'm sorry you don't understand that, it's not my problem.
Can you at least be respectful and not add more problem here?
Alright, now onto the topic, Fantasy Nature's ability isn't past the entirety of existence, only the existence of reality, am I correct on this?Calm down You two We need to deal one by one And pls try not to bring new topic for now and pls sympathize to staff and people who working on this
IDK for this one , also this is not what " we " interest now, Cuz People and stuff are dealing with Touhou's Nep, TD and CPT staff so If you good luck You'll have Expert who know about this answer but if not You probably wait for answerAlright, now onto the topic, Fantasy Nature's ability isn't past the entirety of existence, only the existence of reality, am I correct on this?
But that's not true, they're not Non-existent on a Conceptual level, they are completely unbound on a Conceptual level, which is far more impressive.I do believe that they are nonexistent down to their concept, they don't have a name and is stated to be primordial nothingness
It was an idea I had a while ago, it's a similar page to the Beyond Dimensional Physiology but for Conception.Also, conceptual transcendence physiology sounds cool, what can it do, btw?
honestly this ability should be officialBut that's not true, they're not Non-existent on a Conceptual level, they are completely unbound on a Conceptual level, which is far more impressive.
Arguably enough for an Upgrade, if you guys can find sufficient proof of ideas that would be very powerful, the Gods would automatically be above them.
It was an idea I had a while ago, it's a similar page to the Beyond Dimensional Physiology but for Conception.
It's for characters who transcend conception on many levels, ranging from the Mind's conception to higher axioms of Conception.
It would give you the obvious (resistance to Conceptual Manipulation) but for the most part, it would make you virtually untouchable to entities of a lower conceptual rung than the character.
Arguably enough for an Upgrade, if you guys can find sufficient proof of ideas that would be very powerful, the Gods would automatically be above them.
I think Conceptual Manipulation Type 1 is fine as it is, since the criticism seems to be more levied towards the Gods, not the concepts they create. As in Mountain of Faith, Sanae Kochiya says "When people lose faith in gods, the gods lose their power. They can't manifest their divine virtues. This is the same as death, for a god.", they don't stop existing or die, they just lose their powers, like I said above, it just depowers them, not their concepts.
As for Transdualism, I agree with the removal, the single citation for it (And feel free to correct me) seems to be very vague and too open to give Transdualism.
As for Non-Existence Physiology, I don't really agree with it being on the profiles too, as the Perfect Memento in Strict Sense portion states, it's that they were everything before Names.
It seems less Non-Existence and more Omnipresence. They still existed, they were just everything, and naming them filters them down.
This ties in with other entities who become Gods themselves, like Mizue no Uranoshimako.
What happened here...?
Yea, transduality is absolutely a no-go, remove that from their profiles.
CoolIt was an idea I had a while ago, it's a similar page to the Beyond Dimensional Physiology but for Conception.
It's for characters who transcend conception on many levels, ranging from the Mind's conception to higher axioms of Conception.
It would give you the obvious (resistance to Conceptual Manipulation) but for the most part, it would make you virtually untouchable to entities of a lower conceptual rung than the character.
I think it's currently just being unbound by Concepts, so Immunity to Conceptual Manipulation [of the same level].Ok Let's make Conclusion
@Hecatia_Gaming @OnsokunoSonic
What do you think what is Touhou's Godly Nature Mean ? Nep 2 & Tran 2 ?
@Udlmaster
What do you think what is Touhou's Godly Nature Mean ? CPT ? & ETC . ?
It's just this: https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Yaoyorozu_no_KamiCuz Hecatia have Info that prove thier Idea
And You have a little bit info for Prove your Idea
OK Thx I agree with your Idea now
Well.....oofChecked, you're the only staff member that replied here.
I believe what Hecatia meant was the nature of "names", which are the very concept of boundaries that split "name of two seperate things" in their dualist nature.Uldmaster's argument is that being "unbound by all concepts" isn't necessarily transcending dual systems in the more definitive manner, therefore thinks we should go with the idea of "Beyond Conceptual Physiology", and Immunity to all concepts. Since preceding something isn't entirely proof of transcendence as it is vague. Uld also thinks that conceptual manipulation type 1 is fine.
Hecatia and onsokuno's is that because they do precede dual systems and existed as "nothingness before all concepts" it does qualify as Transdualism type 2 and NEP type 2. Basically they aren't really "anything" and are outside the physical world in a formless manner. They were the form of all things before concepts were made.
I'm pretty sure there's more to both sides but they'll likely need to make a tl;dr about that on their own.
Thx bro So Conclusion Both side are Right so I leave your decide to you all I'm ok with all Option I just want most accurate info for making all of us UnderstandI believe what Hecatia meant was the nature of "names", which are the very concept of boundaries that split "name of two seperate things" in their dualist nature.
Like Yukari's way of manipulating the boundaries regarding dualist as well as aligned definitions included but not really limited to: "Science and Magic", "Particle and Wave", "Life and Death", "Day and Night", "Fantasy and Reality" which she used to seperate Gensokyo from the burdening effect over Youkai's; regarding common sense of the Outside World, and the list goes on.
Yukari is considered to be on par with "Yaoyorozu no Kami" due to her ability to manipulate boundaries, which is highly referred as "names" as well in the series.
I don't really see why people object against Transduality (Type 2), didn't Yaoyorozu no Kami, like, named the very concepts that makes up our definition over "duality"?
It sounds like they're a transcendent nothingness, really something like NEP3 (Take a look at TSW)But that's not true, they're not Non-existent on a Conceptual level, they are completely unbound on a Conceptual level, which is far more impressive.
But we currently don't have that, thus many people will ask if we just pull out "Deities are beyond concepts" out of our butt and will be sus, we need a replacement for this thing.It was an idea I had a while ago, it's a similar page to the Beyond Dimensional Physiology but for Conception.
It's for characters who transcend conception on many levels, ranging from the Mind's conception to higher axioms of Conception.
It would give you the obvious (resistance to Conceptual Manipulation) but for the most part, it would make you virtually untouchable to entities of a lower conceptual rung than the character.
There are @LordGriffin1000 and @ElizhaaCan somebody list the staff members who have responded to this thread previously please?
See above.Can somebody write easy to understand explanations of the arguments here so far in a single post, so I can ask some staff members to help us out here then?
how?Now that I think about it, H1-C Touhou can happen here , but should it happen tho?