- 451
- 290
I wouldn't have a problem with that, but it could also be that Beerus was not anywhere close to using his full power and he didn't wanna erase him.
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Grand Zeno CRT
- Thread starter Pepsiman25th
- Start date
-
- Tags
- dragon ball zen'ō
- Status
- 842
- 256
Nullflowerblush
He/Him- 9,118
- 7,896
It is now though.
- 842
- 256
Yeah it has been a thing since U6 arc. But BOG goku won't have EE resistance because hakai was not a thing back then. Aura is pretty irrelevant here.
- 850
- 350
Icardi spitting facts , the end is near , also stay away from me
- 14,834
- 20,800
Since when is surviving in a void Resistance to Void Manipulation?
- 9,226
- 3,367
i agree with it only being resistance to EE
- 3,013
- 3,468
- Thread starter
- #48
can someone message the staff? they need to vote here so the crt can get some more attention
- 8,851
- 5,687
You do it bro, unfortunately I can't read or write so I can't do it myself.
- 9,226
- 3,367
bump
- 751
- 398
I disagree with anyone getting automatic resistance to their own ability to an extent. GoDs having passive EE aura doesn't mean they're also passively resisting erasing themselves through the nature of their ability, they would have to display resistance to an external source or attack reflection. Zeno using EE doesn't prove he resists EE or could resist his own attack being used on him.
- 584
- 312
I disagree with that, I think if you are able to casually use an ability that erases things on contact and you are unaffected by that same ability even when it comes into contact with you, you must have some level of resistance towards said ability. For example if im using fire manipulation and im unaffected by the fire I output, I would have to be able to some extent be resistant to its effects.
- 11,066
- 13,815
We generally don't assume that the hax ability of a character effects themselves unless it is explicitly made clear. GoDs can clad themselves in their own destruction aura, but they get resistance only because they can survive another GoD's hakai. Plus, there is no reason why Zeno can't just exclude himself and spread his hakai attack outward. Why would he want to use it on himself.
azontr
He/Him- 39,512
- 49,612
They always ask where is Grand Zeno. But nobody ever ask how is Grand Zeno..
Also, I agree with this point.
- 8,851
- 5,687
The problem is the profile already considers that zeno hit himself with his own attack (which makes no sense), so if you think he didn't then he should get his durability removed. So I think Zeno should get neither resistance nor durability from it.
- 10,876
- 18,883
Disagree with Resistance to Void Manipulation, with that reason the Goku, Vegeta, Trunks and the Time machine should have resistance to void manipulation as they shown be able to stay in a void, also the void need proof of affecting some character
Disagree with Resistance to EE cuz Zeno tanks his own attacks make not sense at all and as being said above they should revised neither resistance neither durability
Disagree with Resistance to EE cuz Zeno tanks his own attacks make not sense at all and as being said above they should revised neither resistance neither durability
- 13,902
- 5,395
doesn't durability always scale to AP unless proven otherwise?
- 13,902
- 5,395
zeno basically says that the world he was in was gonna be erased, and when you're in the world you kinda are considered to be part of it so
if you're gonna say that zeno was untouched by his hakai then that's kinda something you should like
yknow, prove
if you're gonna say that zeno was untouched by his hakai then that's kinda something you should like
yknow, prove
- 553
- 90
i think they only gonna change it to Durability: Low Multiverse level instead of Durability: Low Multiverse level (Withstood the impact of his own Ki blast destroying the entire future timeline and Infinite Zamasu)
- 13,902
- 5,395
that's not only wrong but unnecessary
again, the wiki is under the assumption that attacks always affect themselves unless shown otherwise
and it's already unlikely that zeno just "excluded" things since he destroyed the entirety of the universe instead of excluding zamasu
this is kinda silly come on now
- 15,710
- 10,426
I don't think that staying in a void means resistance to void hax
- 13,902
- 5,395
(btw I agree with EE res)
Nullflowerblush
He/Him- 9,118
- 7,896
The assumption is, "If you can dish out this much power without breaking yourself, then logically your Durability is comparable".
- 13,902
- 5,395
exactly
the energy to erase being used while not being erased yourself strongly suggests EE res
- 8,851
- 5,687
EE is hax, it shouldn't scale to AP, apparently the only reason it scales to attack potency is because EE counts as AP in tier 2 or something like that.
- 1,022
- 343
So you essentially said that he weakened his existence erasure which means it falls under a scale of power that can be controlled inbetween and betwee full power and not full power. What stops someone who is comparable to someone who is stronger than someone's hakai and is able to break free due to being stronger than that person's full power or at least survive it (due to the subject here)? What would that warrant?
- 5,049
- 2,537
I thought it was because of Area of Effect since it essentially destroys what was affected.
- 13,902
- 5,395
listen this is pretty obvious
erasing everything in the universe you're in includes you unless proven otherwise
it works from both a logical and narrative perspective that zeno can't just be erased
to say otherwise would just be blatant downplay, which I'm tired of at this point
erasing everything in the universe you're in includes you unless proven otherwise
it works from both a logical and narrative perspective that zeno can't just be erased
to say otherwise would just be blatant downplay, which I'm tired of at this point
- 8,851
- 5,687
But think about this logically, Zeno can target exactly what he wants to erase, he could erase frost only, and is able to erase each universe separately. So why in the hell would he target himself when erasing the future timeline?
- 13,902
- 5,395
he specifically stated he was going to erase the entire world so this doesn't matter anyways, it was only a secondary argument
Nullflowerblush
He/Him- 9,118
- 7,896
This is such a silly argument.
"He said he was going to destroy the world, and he is in the world, so he was unaffected by his Existence Erasure."
Anything else? You could start arguing "the Zenoes having tried erasing each other yet, because they just be know that they are resistant", and you would have a more solid ground.
"He said he was going to destroy the world, and he is in the world, so he was unaffected by his Existence Erasure."
Anything else? You could start arguing "the Zenoes having tried erasing each other yet, because they just be know that they are resistant", and you would have a more solid ground.
- 13,902
- 5,395
it is called evidence my friend
generally we go with what makes more sense unless there is an anti feat or evidence
which there isn't
Nullflowerblush
He/Him- 9,118
- 7,896
If I am standing in the ocean, and I decide to erase the entire ocean, I'm erasing the ocean, not myself.
If I am floating in the middle of outer space, and I decide to erase it, I'm erasing outer space, not myself.
Do you get what I'm saying? You need evidence that Zeno would have collateral damage which is not something we generally assume when a character uses an ability on something around them (e.g., poison users do not get resistance for releasing a poison from their body, ice users do not get resistance for unleashing a frost from their hands; although, enduring the aftermath of their attacks, like unaffected standing in the frozen tundra they created, could qualify).
If I am floating in the middle of outer space, and I decide to erase it, I'm erasing outer space, not myself.
Do you get what I'm saying? You need evidence that Zeno would have collateral damage which is not something we generally assume when a character uses an ability on something around them (e.g., poison users do not get resistance for releasing a poison from their body, ice users do not get resistance for unleashing a frost from their hands; although, enduring the aftermath of their attacks, like unaffected standing in the frozen tundra they created, could qualify).
- 13,902
- 5,395
poison user covering the entire universe in poison would give resistance
ice user freezing the entire universe gets resistance
erasing the entirety of the universe you're in is resistance unless there's some kind of proof otherwise
but according to the statement zeno says, he clearly was not being discriminate with his erasure, so you'd still need to show something that suggests he just avoided touching himself with it
and again, it works because otherwise otherwise gods of destruction would be able to erase zeno, which just makes absolutely 0 sense
also those 2 analogies suck and here's why
zeno isn't part of the ocean, so erasing the ocean is just erasing water
zeno isn't a piece of empty space? so erasing empty space wouldn't erase himself.....it would just make the space more empty
zeno is a part of the universe/world, so it likely does apply
and he is also visibly engulfed in his own attack, which is still visible proof
there is no way to justify zeno having no EE
at the very least, he should have "likely resistance to EE" on his profile, since there's absolutely no evidence that suggests he CAN be erased
- 13,902
- 5,395
it would be convenient though if someone had some scan that says "even the gods of destruction can't defeat zeno" or something but I assume, or at least hope someone would have brought that up by now?
- 13,902
- 5,395
void manipulation is an entirely different story, tbh I barely know what the **** void manipulation is or does so I'm neutral on that aspect of the crt I suppose
Nullflowerblush
He/Him- 9,118
- 7,896
This is just the Jiren argument now.
- 13,902
- 5,395
the what
- 8,851
- 5,687
Jiren argument is "Jiren is the mortal a god of destruction can't defeat therefore hakai doesn't work on jiren therefore resistance to EE".
- Status
Similar threads
