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Alien X 3-A Downgrade
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Yeah he meant damaged. It’s been damaged by things far lower than Low 2-C.
But yeah, as Zamasu also said, a creation feat can’t be quantifiably tanked since there’s no AP behind it in that specific instance. So even if the creation can by some chance be considered Low 2-C, the destructive output or AP isn’t that high and can’t scale to Alien X or the ships durability.
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There is no force field around the shit. That’s baseless headcanon the opposition made up.
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the ship was damaged, not the force field. Also the forcefield is not around the ship but rather at its center, the big bang bomb is inside of the shield
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Wait but Time cycles aren’t above Ben’s aliens, so how does that work? Also like if the Contumelia needed protection from the Annihilaargh, wouldn’t they need protection from all sides? Obviously you’re not gonna see a forcefield around the ship cause the field only activated after they had already entered the ship.
Order of events is like this: Normal alien ships ram into the ship in 2 different episodes —> forcefield activates which is stated to protect from Annihilaargh’s energy —> Skurd using Alien X’s powers breaches the forcefield —> Ben thinks he’s gonna die —> Failsave actives and Feedback pulls back the Big Bang and goes up —> Feedback fails to contain the Big Bang and failsafe actives again —> failsafe lands at Feedback again who now successfully contains the Big Bang —> forcefield deactivates —> forcefield reactivates —> Feedback blows up Maltruant —> Second Annihilaargh creates a universe. So from this order of events you can’t use the ship being penetrated by regular ships as an anti-feat since this would be before the Contumelia took the necessary measures to protect themselves against the Big Bang.
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It clearly wasn’t in the both instances that it went off.
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What do you mean by that?
After it’s activated we see no force field on the outside when we’re shown a wide shot of the ship.
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Hmm. If there was no force field, the creation feat is not possible to scale to destructive purposes, and the ship was damaged by much more regular attacks, I am switching to supporting that Alien X should be 3-A in that case.
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Like Zamasu said, 3-A with Low 2-C Creation hax seem reasonable
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I suppose that seems like a fair compromise solution.
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are you kidding me? why do you even think ben destroyed the forcefield? for fun?
how does that make alien X go to 3-A? the ship that damaged it is like building level, it just means that the force field wasn't around, which of course it wasn't, because, again, it was around the bomb
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And Way Big High 8-C then?
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There is a forcefield that Alien X breached, we just don’t know how big it is essentially but context should point towards the entire ship cause what would be the point to have a tiny forcefield in the middle of a ship to protect against an omnidirectional blast. Zamasu is right that when you see the ship from the outside though that there is no forcefield visible, then again that is still quite some distance from the ship.
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can't find the clip where it's mentionned to protect from the big bang (but everyone here agree that it was mentionned so there's really no need to anyway) but here's what it looks like
the barrier surrounds the bomb. It's yellow. There's no yellow barrier around the spaceship, so the barrier isn't around the ship
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Because neither the ship, or the forcefield that Alien X's DNA breeched, would be Low 2-C in durability. So there's nothing quantifiable to be scaled to Alien X, thus 3-A still happens.
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The Annihilargh didn’t destroy time. Nothing in the past was changed. The same 3-A destruction Alien X couldn’t stop.
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Watch the entire scene, then come back
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@Zamasu_Chan Do you consider the place where Eon held Paradox in “Ben Again” an alternate timeline?
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No... it seems alien X is going to become tier 3 fodder...
Can't we at least use the strongest power statement to put him above the annihilarg?
Can't we at least use the strongest power statement to put him above the annihilarg?
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sure, but why? He doesn't have any 3-A feats, either you take into account his 2 low 2-C feats with the annihilarg, or you don't and he has absolutely no feat putting him at universe level
nothing in the present was changed either since alien X recreated it, except the smoothies, which were also different in a flashback. And the annihilarg was already done when alien X appeared.
by the way they do mention that it's "too late to stop it", but that they can "fix it", the annihilarg was also already active. The universe was already destroyed so they couldn't stop it, fixing it would require exactly as much power as saving it so why wouldn't they if it wasn't for that?
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No because that’s headcanon and past events were shown to affect the present. In fact, it’s one of the main plot points in the episode.
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you mean like, the scene where the forcefield is around the bomb, the bomb is dropped but it's still supposed to protect the ship? Yeah no seems like the forcefield still contains the bomb
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Ok so it’s the future of the Ben 10 prime timeline then?
Sure but the design could have arguable switched after that moment in time.
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What do you mean by contains? You’re acting as if the forcefield contains a universe.
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As Zamasu said, the Annilaargs destruction isn't Low 2-C, it's 3-A. And destruction that Alien X couldn't stop at that. This has been said from the beginning of the downgrade.
Actually it wasn't. The destruction of the universe is still actively on-going while Ben was speaking to Serena and Bellicus inside Alien X. It wasn't yet finished.
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I mean couldn’t it just be that AX doesn’t have the hax necessary to stop or reverse it?
This point also kinda works against you cause it shouldn’t be too hard to give him universal-scale time reverse, but since he couldn’t do that. The Annihilaargh must have been destroying time as well.
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yeah i already said this, that's why i and some other people are neutral
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Just wondering, but is Alien X keeping his 2-B EE?
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why would he lose it
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and yet you can clearly see that even flashbacks were affected by it
if you are referring to the visual effect, you eventually see the circle of darkness not moving anymore, not that it's relevant since they wouldn't see it from inside alien X, again, it's a visual representation. Also it wouldn't matter if alien X fixed the universe since the annihalarg would just destroy it further, eventually actually affecting the space time continuum which alien X would then have to fix. Also durability scaling
the thing's, again, all of alien X feats are low 2-C. There's no outlier here either, the only thing he failed to do was just logically impossible (saving the universe from being destroyed after it was destroyed) and he struggled in a fight against another member of its species
wait then how is that a debate? He totally scales to his haxx physically thanks to his battle against another CS and, again, has no counter feat that would prevent all of his haxx, coming from the same ability, to not be at the same level
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he recreated the universe tho, and time was also destroyed which, in ben 10 terms, translate to "no time control"
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lord forgive me for using Skye as a source. Don’t pay any mind to her rambling about canonicity though
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Prove it.
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Look above you.
Granted, that doesn’t necessarily tie back to AX but rather his race in between OV and UA I guess.
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