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BIG POKEMON UPGRADES

ok but what speed to i use?
Like what calc and to whom should i add it?
To be honest, I'm not sure. Like, you would definitely link Lycanroc's feat in Lycanroc's profile and Golem's feat on Golem's profile, but after that, you don't really need to link directly to the calc on anyone since all final evolutions are relative to each other.
 
To be honest, I'm not sure. Like, you would definitely link Lycanroc's feat in Lycanroc's profile and Golem's feat on Golem's profile, but after that, you don't really need to link directly to the calc on anyone since all final evolutions are relative to each other.
I'll upgrade Lycanroc and i'll do the rest tommorow
 
Actually, Ash-Greninja fought Toe-to-Toe with Alain's Mega Charizard X, who easily blocked a heat wave from Trevor's Mega Charizard Y in Base, which was boosted by drought. That same Mega Charizard X also one shotted this Mega Charizard Y with a flamethrower

So: Alain's Mega Charizard X >>> Base Charizard >> Trevor's Mega Charizard Y with drought >> Mega Charizard Y >>> Base Charizard

Ash Greninja < Alain's Mega Charizard X, but only slightly, as they were almost on equal footing for a long time in their match

Both Ash's Greninja and Alain's Mega Charizard X fought toe to toe with the Champion's Ace Pokemon (Charizard against Steven's Metagross, and Ash against Diantha's Gardevoir)
Just saying that Ash Greninja scales above Regular Megas and not to them
 
Both Ash's Greninja and Alain's Mega Charizard X fought toe to toe with the Champion's Ace Pokemon (Charizard against Steven's Metagross, and Ash against Diantha's Gardevoir)
Toe to toe is an exaggeration imo, Ash-Gren lost that fight and Steven's Metagross was able to keep up with Mega Zard in its base form. Also remember that Alain's Zard X would have been boosted by Zard Y's drought too. Though I do agree that Ash-Gren is above regular megas. Perhaps downscaling megas from Ash Greninja's feat would work?
 
Toe to toe is an exaggeration imo, Ash-Gren lost that fight and Steven's Metagross was able to keep up with Mega Zard in its base form. Also remember that Alain's Zard X would have been boosted by Zard Y's drought too. Though I do agree that Ash-Gren is above regular megas. Perhaps downscaling megas from Ash Greninja's feat would work?
They'd all still be FTL so
 
Toe to toe is an exaggeration imo, Ash-Gren lost that fight and Steven's Metagross was able to keep up with Mega Zard in its base form. Also remember that Alain's Zard X would have been boosted by Zard Y's drought too. Though I do agree that Ash-Gren is above regular megas. Perhaps downscaling megas from Ash Greninja's feat would work?
You can also add that it's later implied that Diantha's Mega-Gardevoir was holding back against Ash-Greninja, which would explain why she didn’t use Moonblast instead of spamming Shadow Ball.
 
High 7-A

High 7-A
| 6-C

High 7-A
| 6-C | 6-C

Large Mountain level+
(comparable to other fully evolved Pokemon such as Tyranitar)

Large Mountain level+ (comparable to other fully evolved Pokemon such as Tyranitar) | Island level (Stronger than Pure/Huge Power Pokémon and Marowak holding a Thick Club)

Large Mountain level+ (comparable to other fully evolved Pokemon such as Tyranitar) | Island level (Stronger than Pure/Huge Power Pokémon and Marowak holding a Thick Club) | Island level (Far stronger than before. Should be comparable to other Gigantamax pokemon such as Centiscorch)

Large Mountain Class

Large Mountain Class
| Island Class

Large Mountain Class
| Island Class | Island Class

Large Mountain level+
(comparable to other fully evolved Pokemon such as Tyranitar)

Large Mountain level+ (comparable to other fully evolved Pokemon such as Tyranitar) | Island level (Stronger than Pure/Huge Power Pokémon and Marowak holding a Thick Club)

Large Mountain level+ (Can tank hits from other fully evolved pokemon) | Island level (Can take hits from other mega evolved Pokemon) | Island level (Far stronger than before. Should be comparable to other Gigantamax pokemon such as Centiscorch)

LS:
Class M (should be superior to Brock's Happiny) | Class M
Class M
(should be superior to Brock's Happiny) | Class M | Class T (superior to the likes of Machamp)

Speed:
FTL (comparable to the likes of Lycanroc)
FTL (comparable to the likes of Lycanroc) | FTL (faster than before)
FTL (comparable to the likes of Lycanroc) | FTL (faster than before) | FTL


Marrowak:

Only ap with thick club reaches 6-C, not dura

Pikachu: ill edit him myself

i prepared the text already
aight let's roll out. This is the rough draft of all things to copypaste
 
Toe to toe is an exaggeration imo, Ash-Gren lost that fight and Steven's Metagross was able to keep up with Mega Zard in its base form. Also remember that Alain's Zard X would have been boosted by Zard Y's drought too. Though I do agree that Ash-Gren is above regular megas. Perhaps downscaling megas from Ash Greninja's feat would work?
Ash-Greninja literally only "lost" becasue Ash himself fainted since they did not master the form yet. And Greninja managed to overpower Mega Gardevoir's Shadow Ball after they briefly entered the completed form, and damage it, though Ash passed out moments later from the strain which caused them to stop the battle. And Gardevoir did used a moonblast which Greninja tanked just fine

As for Steven and Alain, they barely fought at base at all. However, Mega Charizard X survived a meteor mash from Metagross just fine and both continued fighting until the battle was interrupted with neither having the advantage

For Zard Y VS Zard X, while yes, Alain's Zard flamethrower was also boosted by drought, Base Charizard still blocked a full power boosted heat wave from Trevor's Zard Y with just a tail splash. It also easily dodged a Dragon Tail from Zard Y, so it makes sense that Alain's Charizard > Trevor's Mega Charizard Y

Supporting feat for that would also be that Base Charizard took a draco meteor from Mega Garchomp relatively unscathed, and then he one shotted it with Dragon Claw when he Mega Evolved
 
Ash-Greninja literally only "lost" becasue Ash himself fainted since they did not master the form yet. And Greninja managed to overpower Mega Gardevoir's Shadow Ball after they briefly entered the completed form, and damage it, though Ash passed out moments later from the strain which caused them to stop the battle. And Gardevoir did used a moonblast which Greninja tanked just fine
Later in the episode, when Team Rocket captures Diantha's Gardevoir, Diantha orders her Gardevoir to stop restraining, and she went from being unable to break TR's restraints to shattering them easily. So it seems like Diantha was holding back against Ash.
 
btw can we change the icon for Alakazam in the verse page? Not only is official art considered to have more priority over fanart but also, wth is that satanic stuff bro? Like there ain't no satanism and dark magic in pokemon, why does he have a pentagram at his feet?
 
Ash-Greninja literally only "lost" becasue Ash himself fainted since they did not master the form yet.
No one said otherwise.
And Greninja managed to overpower Mega Gardevoir's Shadow Ball after they briefly entered the completed form, and damage it
See above.
That's Base Gardevoir against Base Greninja. And he didn’t tanked anything. He dodged the blast but the force of the explosion knocked him against the tree.
 
Ash-Gren lost that fight
Ash-Greninja was honestly smacking Mega Gardevoir around, it landed a couple of hits while Gardevoir couldn't touch it, especially when it got the shuriken on its back and its Water Shuriken flat-out overpowered Gardevoir's Shadow Ball. Ash only lost because he passed out due to a lack of mastery of the form.
 
guys i need your help and opinion.

Do we have any way to scale psychics to class M/T?

Cause Metagross scales at least physically for brushing off Brock's Happiny but what about the others?
 
Ash-Greninja was honestly smacking Mega Gardevoir around, it landed a couple of hits while Gardevoir couldn't touch it, especially when it got the shuriken on its back and its Water Shuriken flat-out overpowered Gardevoir's Shadow Ball. Ash only lost because he passed out due to a lack of mastery of the form.
Exactly
 
wait secondary evos don't scale to class M?

@DragonGamerZ913 ..i'll need your assistance checking the pages i made cause i changed some secondary evo ratings to M as well
 
gen 1 is fully done, except someone needs to nerf all second stages LS back where it belongs
 
As for Steven and Alain, they barely fought at base at all. However, Mega Charizard X survived a meteor mash from Metagross just fine and both continued fighting until the battle was interrupted with neither having the advantage
Steven's Metagross completely stopped Zard X's flamethrower with Psychic, and continued to have the upper hand throughout the entire fight despite the type disadvantage when it mega evolved. It took a direct hit from Blast Burn, Zard X's strongest attack, without a scratch. Steven's Megagross is 100% superior to Alain's Zard X.

Others have already covered the Ash-Gren vs Mega Garde fight, but however you look at it, there's no sign that Mega Garde was close to losing.
 
gen 1 is fully done, except someone needs to nerf all second stages LS back where it belongs
Make sure your grammar + formatting is correct, I've noticed some missing capital letters + spaces. Not major, but still
 
Others have already covered the Ash-Gren vs Mega Garde fight, but however you look at it, there's no sign that Mega Garde was close to losing.
Neither was Greninja, and again, he "lost" only because Ash passed out, not becuase Greninja was ko-ed by her
 
Make sure your grammar + formatting is correct, I've noticed some missing capital letters + spaces. Not major, but still
alright then but could you deal with the 1st stage LS? cause i made it class M and it is supposed to be whatever it is. Basically, please revert them
 
it seems someone is already doing it. Idk if it is you Gyro updating the LS or not but thanks
 
anyways i am done for today. I'll update more tommorow, if anyone wants to/can help i would be happy if you helped out.
I will need help with LS doe
 
it seems someone is already doing it. Idk if it is you Gyro updating the LS or not but thanks
I'm going through the gen 4 profiles rn

Neither was Greninja, and again, he "lost" only because Ash passed out, not becuase Greninja was ko-ed by her
They were over-exerting themselves and passed out because of it. And as people have said above, all signs point towards Diantha holding back.
 
I'm going through the gen 4 profiles rn


They were over-exerting themselves and passed out because of it. And as people have said above, all signs point towards Diantha holding back.
thanks mate.
I'll deal with gen 6-7 either today or tommorow
 
Would the "At least 7-A, likely High 7-A" Trainers become "At least High 7-A, likely 6-C"?
Could honestly take a separate look at trainer scaling tbh. But the gap between the previous 7-A feat and baseline High 7-A is similar to the gap between the new High 7-A feat and baseline 6-C, so it should be fine in principle.
 
So which scaling chain that was agreed for? The option 1 or the option 2? Because i don't have much motivation reading the whole thread lel
 
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