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I currently won't be able to create profiles for the time being, can someone do it when the changes will be applied?
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Eden_Warlock99
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Wouldn't Leon scale directly to the 5x by being stronger than Raihan? (Raihan's Base Duraludon could keep up with a Dynamaxed Kommo-o and defeated all of Oleana's Pokémon when they were Dynamaxed)
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I ain't sure
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That's Khoury's Gible, which was wild at the time.
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Gigantamax is strictly superior to Dynamax. We can't apply the 5x multiplier to Dynamax, so the answer is no. In addition, with Oleana's Pokemon, we can't assume that Duraludon was in its base form when it defeated them.
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also imma be real i gave up on trying as i never made a profile page for pokemon
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here's the sandbox to make your life easier, you can add up to it.
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Alright, here's my full opinion on how I believe things should be for AP scaling:
Final evolutions: 15.08 gigatons (6-C)
Mega Evolutions/Marowak with Bone: 30.16 gigatons (6-C)
Leon's Charizard: At least 30.16 gigatons (At least 6-C)
Gigantamaxes: 75.4 gigatons (6-C+)
Leon's G-Max Charizard: 150.8 gigatons (High 6-C)
This is all assuming that Magnitude is accepted. If not, I think it should look like this:
Final evolutions: 3.1 gigatons (High 7-A+)
Mega Evolutions/Marowak with Bone: 6.2 gigatons (6-C)
Leon's Charizard: At least 6.2 gigatons (At least 6-C)
Gigantamaxes: 15.5 gigatons (6-C)
Leon's G-Max Charizard: 31 gigatons (6-C)
Final evolutions: 15.08 gigatons (6-C)
Mega Evolutions/Marowak with Bone: 30.16 gigatons (6-C)
Leon's Charizard: At least 30.16 gigatons (At least 6-C)
Gigantamaxes: 75.4 gigatons (6-C+)
Leon's G-Max Charizard: 150.8 gigatons (High 6-C)
This is all assuming that Magnitude is accepted. If not, I think it should look like this:
Final evolutions: 3.1 gigatons (High 7-A+)
Mega Evolutions/Marowak with Bone: 6.2 gigatons (6-C)
Leon's Charizard: At least 6.2 gigatons (At least 6-C)
Gigantamaxes: 15.5 gigatons (6-C)
Leon's G-Max Charizard: 31 gigatons (6-C)
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Then is outlier. ****.
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So we have for LS:
- Baby: At least Peak Human
- Base: Class 25
- Stage 1: At least Class 25
- Stage 2: Class 100 (Heracross and Snornal)
- Machamp and Grimmsnarl: Class T
- Mega, Gigantamax and Legendaries: At least Class T
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You probably could, since I believe Brock's Happiny has been comparable to final stage Pokemon
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Oh, I didn't thought on how use that feat. I completely agree on use it for Final stages.
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Tbh, if they didn't counter the new points, I guess that it's good to go. Many CRT went like this.
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They never saw the new points bro. We gotta call em so they can give their opinion otherwise this might get retconned. They saw G-maxes becoming 15gt, not G-maxes becoming 75gt
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Class T calc got accepted and asked @KieranH10 to come here.
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aight, ask someone else as well, ill request Gyro
actually now that i think about it, should we call Kukui? i linked the thread in the comments but idk if he saw it
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I'll try to contact him again.
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The OP generally makes sense to me.
I'm still unsure about using Magnitude in general as justification for AP. As has been said, stage 1 Pokemon can also use that and potentially get Magnitude 10. But the calculations are fine so I can agree with that at least.
I'm still unsure about using Magnitude in general as justification for AP. As has been said, stage 1 Pokemon can also use that and potentially get Magnitude 10. But the calculations are fine so I can agree with that at least.
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I've already answered why it should be used:
- Not using it would mean that Solar Beam should be dismissed as well as even Base Pokémon can dodge Solar Beam in gameplay, which is untrue.
- Defog can be used from anyone too, but its results are applied to only full evos.
- Magnitude 10 can be used from fully evos as their feats are >Magnitude 9, making 10 actually supported now.
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Two, or Four wrongs don't make a right.
Either the higher feats scale to everyone, or they don't scale to anyone. We cant arbitrarily scale moves that all Pokemon can learn only to higher tiers because they give high results. If a first stage Pokemon can use Defog, it either scales to that first stage Pokemon, or is disregarded. Same applies to Magnitude.
Either the higher feats scale to everyone, or they don't scale to anyone. We cant arbitrarily scale moves that all Pokemon can learn only to higher tiers because they give high results. If a first stage Pokemon can use Defog, it either scales to that first stage Pokemon, or is disregarded. Same applies to Magnitude.
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Game Mechanics are a thing for one. It obviously is wrong scaling Pidgey to Defog, but since Pidgeot has scaling to comparable feats, then scaling Defog to it is legit.
Same with Magnitude, it gives random values between 1 and 10. We can perfectly use feats to decide which degree of magnitude they scale of. Base and Stage 1 scale to lower degrees, Fully evolved scale to higher ones because they have feats supporting them being actually able to use such. It's simple as that.
Same with Magnitude, it gives random values between 1 and 10. We can perfectly use feats to decide which degree of magnitude they scale of. Base and Stage 1 scale to lower degrees, Fully evolved scale to higher ones because they have feats supporting them being actually able to use such. It's simple as that.
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They can use it, but only on lower degrees as even supported from the lore. Since fully evolved have feats of using higher ones, disregarding it would as bad as disregarding Solar Beam because of this, and I rest my case.
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I was asked to respond here and I don’t know what else to say other than giving my agreement.
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What about Magnitude 10?
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Anyway, I found 2 LS feats for Poké Humans
1) Wulfric lifts Avalugg with Bonnie on it, with Avalugg being 505 kg heavy and Bonnie being 25.8 Kg (as she's 8 yo) making the total weight 530.8 Kg (Peak Human)
2) Alder trowing Gigalith (Peak Human)
3) Ash's log trow calc, who is both 206,480.59103 Joules (9-B) and 4164.09 Kg (Class 5)
Every Human should scale from this and Baby Pokémon upscale too.
1) Wulfric lifts Avalugg with Bonnie on it, with Avalugg being 505 kg heavy and Bonnie being 25.8 Kg (as she's 8 yo) making the total weight 530.8 Kg (Peak Human)
2) Alder trowing Gigalith (Peak Human)
3) Ash's log trow calc, who is both 206,480.59103 Joules (9-B) and 4164.09 Kg (Class 5)
Every Human should scale from this and Baby Pokémon upscale too.
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What is the scaling everyone is settling on?
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In AP:
In LS:
Edit: Speed for Stage 1 will be just "At least Massively Hypersonic+", the Sub-Rel+ was based on a joke calc which was seriously applied. Agreed on the FTL final stages thread.
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I made this calc for Pokemon lifting strength. Yet to be accepted, but it could potentially make all Pokemon that learn Strength (HM) Class K.
Why not just use the calcs that we have though? The calcs support High 7-A+ from Magnitude 9 earthquakes, it's not a big leap to assume they can cause Magnitude 10 earthquakes but it's a leap nonetheless.
For the Defog and Solar Beam counter arguments, Defog has already been contested on several occasions for these same reasons though this was never resolved since it was just a support feat anyway. Also iirc it uses map scaling, which would be a no-no anyways. Solar Beam has already been resolved in the OP, though if the argument is to give first stage Pokemon SoL attack speed I wouldn't mind that.
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If there are no further need to discuss, I say it good to apply. Nothing I can tell immediately seems out of place.
I dunno about Magnitude 10. If its still in discussion, you could make a thread dedicated to it while applying the things accepted.
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Uhm, no. This is about AP, we can talk about it here.
They can canonically use it. Discarding it as they never did is nonsense.
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The High 7-A+ seems fine. Good thing I mentioned how scaling probably will be in a post so it's all compiled right there.
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