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Why did I think this was a kirby vs sonic fight. Kakine fra
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Dark matter takes on Infinity
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Kinda, only wincon I can imagine is Gojo going for purple straight away which is out of character (although I think that just makes the match a decisive victory as its still a possibility but just a very unlikely one)
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That still qualifies as a stomp.
Due to past revisions, a stomp thread is no longer just based on a character having at least a single win condition, but also how likely they would use them and whether or not they are still outmatched even with them, where instead of it being “one character is able to immediately win against the other” it’s “one of the characters is unreasonably outmatched by their opponent”. A match is a stomp when it “very rarely leave any room for debate, with their outcomes coming across as predictable to anyone with even cursory knowledge of the combatants and their abilities.”
In this case, Gojo has only ever shown to use Purple only in situations when other victims likely won’t get caught by it as a collateral damage. Since him using Purple is not in-character for him in most circumstances, and that it is quite possibly his only win condition, then this matchup is likely a stomp. As a result, this matchup very rarely leaves any room for debate due to users arguing that Kakine’s Inorganic physiology would allow him to survive and resist Gojo’s Domain Expansion, as well as being unkillable to Gojo in every way aside from Purple… And even then, it won’t guarantee Gojo a victory, as Kakine’s Immortality through his Dark Matter is such that he will still come back even when Gojo erases some of his Dark Matter bodies (and for Kakine to die, Gojo would need to erase every single trace of Kakine’s Dark Matter in existence… Which is not very likely for Gojo to achieve even if he decides to use his Purple).
And unlike Accelerator, Gojo doesn’t have Regeneration Negation at the level of Kakine’s Regeneration needed to incapacitate Kakine’s Dark Matter vessel, so incapacitation is not within Gojo’s favour even with Purple (as that requires him to use Purple on all the Dark Matter copies in the area), especially with users arguing that Kakine can resist Gojo’s Domain Expansion via Inorganic Physiology (which is as literally the only chance Gojo has to incapacitate Kakine. With that resisted… There goes the incapacitation win condition). As a result, the outcome of the match is very predictable even for users with cursory knowledge over the two’s abilities with very little ways and possibilities for a character such as Gojo to be able to change it (who is still outmatched even in the unlikely possibility that he uses Purple), and so this match is a stomp, and stomp matches can’t be added to the profile.
Gojo isn’t Accelerator. Just because Accelerator can beat Kakine, it doesn’t necessarily mean Gojo can.
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Inconclusive implies that both characters can’t conclusively beat the other or they stalemate the other.
Based on how the users are arguing in favour of Kakine mentioned that Kakine’s Inorganic Physiology and how Kakine can bypass Gojo’s Infinity by directly creating/projecting Dark Matter from inside Gojo’s body, this is not the case here, as Kakine still has a multitude of ways (and thus multiple won conditions) to beat Gojo even if Gojo doesn’t use his Domain and sticks to his Infinity all the way through. Unlike Accelerator’s Vector field, Gojo’s Infinity does not have higher-dimensional (up to 11D) protection that can shield against even instant dimensional-based teleportation abilities, nor does Gojo have yet to show feats where he can use his abilities to directly manipulate his body to shield against the Dark Matter spikes like Accelerator can (who can manipulate even the vectors of his inner body to help defend against such attacks).
No matter how you see it, it’s Gojo is outmatched in practically every scenario that happens with practically no way to change the outcome.
Gojo sticks to his Infinity and not using his Domain or his Purple? Kakine creates a Dark Matter spike his body and destroys Gojo’s brain with it.
Gojo sticks to his Infinity and the unlikely possibility of him using Purple occurs? Kakine reforms from a variety of his Dark Matter that are not caught by Purple, and then Dark Matter spike Gojo’s body from the inside and out.
Gojo uses his Domain Expansion without Purple? Kakine survives and resists via Inorganic Physiology (based on the other users’ points), then uses Dark Matter attacks to kill the now Infinity-less Gojo (who temporarily loses access to his Infinity after using his Domain Expansion).
Gojo uses his Domain Expansion then his Purple for guaranteed hits on Kakine and his Dark Matter copies in the area? Kakine still likely has Dark Matter outside of the area he and Gojo fights in, and thus could reform from them, then gets back to the fight and then use Dark Matter attacks against the now Infinity-less Gojo. Unlike Accelerator, Gojo does not have the Regeneration Negation needed to slow down Kakine’s recovery and keep him out of the game longer, so Kakine could probably regenerate at a rapid speed unimpeded.
Literally the only possibility for Gojo to win is to somehow erase all traces of Kakine’s Dark Matter until none of it is left, which is a possibility not in Gojo’s favour even if he decides to use Purple for some reason.
Again, there’s more reasons for this matchup to be a stomp than there isn’t. And stomp threads can’t be added to character profiles.
Based on how the users are arguing in favour of Kakine mentioned that Kakine’s Inorganic Physiology and how Kakine can bypass Gojo’s Infinity by directly creating/projecting Dark Matter from inside Gojo’s body, this is not the case here, as Kakine still has a multitude of ways (and thus multiple won conditions) to beat Gojo even if Gojo doesn’t use his Domain and sticks to his Infinity all the way through. Unlike Accelerator’s Vector field, Gojo’s Infinity does not have higher-dimensional (up to 11D) protection that can shield against even instant dimensional-based teleportation abilities, nor does Gojo have yet to show feats where he can use his abilities to directly manipulate his body to shield against the Dark Matter spikes like Accelerator can (who can manipulate even the vectors of his inner body to help defend against such attacks).
No matter how you see it, it’s Gojo is outmatched in practically every scenario that happens with practically no way to change the outcome.
Gojo sticks to his Infinity and not using his Domain or his Purple? Kakine creates a Dark Matter spike his body and destroys Gojo’s brain with it.
Gojo sticks to his Infinity and the unlikely possibility of him using Purple occurs? Kakine reforms from a variety of his Dark Matter that are not caught by Purple, and then Dark Matter spike Gojo’s body from the inside and out.
Gojo uses his Domain Expansion without Purple? Kakine survives and resists via Inorganic Physiology (based on the other users’ points), then uses Dark Matter attacks to kill the now Infinity-less Gojo (who temporarily loses access to his Infinity after using his Domain Expansion).
Gojo uses his Domain Expansion then his Purple for guaranteed hits on Kakine and his Dark Matter copies in the area? Kakine still likely has Dark Matter outside of the area he and Gojo fights in, and thus could reform from them, then gets back to the fight and then use Dark Matter attacks against the now Infinity-less Gojo. Unlike Accelerator, Gojo does not have the Regeneration Negation needed to slow down Kakine’s recovery and keep him out of the game longer, so Kakine could probably regenerate at a rapid speed unimpeded.
Literally the only possibility for Gojo to win is to somehow erase all traces of Kakine’s Dark Matter until none of it is left, which is a possibility not in Gojo’s favour even if he decides to use Purple for some reason.
Again, there’s more reasons for this matchup to be a stomp than there isn’t. And stomp threads can’t be added to character profiles.
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Incon, Kakine cannot bypass Infinity Gojo and domain Gojo cannot affect kakine which is inorganic whose whole body is dark matter which clearly has no brain to affect, and Kakine have Immo 8.
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Kakine can easily regenerate from Purple given he always starts out with multiplying himself and only a single sub-atomic particle of DM needs to exist for him to multiply and regenerate infinitely. I don't think Hollow purple could cover an expansion like that.
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Kakine doesn't have to go through infinity. He can change the environment inside Gojo directly.
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Scan, I checked the profile but couldn't find anything stating this
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Check the DM Manga.
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If the match is speed unequal then Gojo can get a speed advantage allowing him to move at least 3.4x faster than Kakine can react (Mach 1000 Vs Mach 292, this is assuming Gojo's speed is baseline MHS+) and assuming Kakine is at the top of high hypersonic+ (Mach 25) Gojo would have a 40x speed advantage in regards to movement.
I think that giving Gojo a speed advantage would be extremely helpful in preventing this match from being a stomp as Gojo in character doesn't go for purple straight away and if we lower the pace of Kakine's division down to its original value (I'm guessing high hypersonic+) then Gojo's wincon of spamming purple will be much more realistic since Kakine won't be splitting to an asinine degree anymore.
And if accelerate's comment on Kakine remote generating dark matter is a problem then giving Gojo knowledge ontop of this should make the match more fair (I'd switch my vote to Gojo if this happened).
I think that giving Gojo a speed advantage would be extremely helpful in preventing this match from being a stomp as Gojo in character doesn't go for purple straight away and if we lower the pace of Kakine's division down to its original value (I'm guessing high hypersonic+) then Gojo's wincon of spamming purple will be much more realistic since Kakine won't be splitting to an asinine degree anymore.
And if accelerate's comment on Kakine remote generating dark matter is a problem then giving Gojo knowledge ontop of this should make the match more fair (I'd switch my vote to Gojo if this happened).
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There’s a part 1 CRT of Jujutsu Kaisen in process, and practically the entire verse is about to have their speed downgraded (including Gojo’s, to the extent that Kakine might end up having the speed advantage in the process). Having the match being speed unequal is not going to help the match not being a stomp for long.
And once the part 2 CRT comes on, this match may or may not get outdated in the process, so it’s better to not even continue debating this matchup at all until the Part 2 CRT is introduced and are concluded.
