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Gojo's Losses Don't Make Sense

Arkenis

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So I've read through every match for Gojo's page and I've concluded most these need to be removed. Putting it in discussions since I presume we'll discuss the matches but if it is better in CRT then I'll have it moved.

Before we address them, let's read the conditions for something to be a stomp.
  • Aeon (Castlevania) versus Dialga with speed equalization. Both may have a similar time manipulation emphasis, but the sheer difference in tiers makes the level of their power completely different. Note how even a small tier gap can be massive (Like 2-A to 2-B or low end 5-B to 5-A).
  • Superman (Red Son) versus Doctor Doom with speed equalization. Both may have the same statistics, but their abilities make it one-sided towards Doctor Doom.
  • High 6-A Golden King versus X-Man with speed equalization. While both have similar statistics and incredible abilities, Golden King's passive abilities make it so that no matter the circumstances or chance, Golden King will always win.
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The sheer difference in tiers is a reason for a stomp. Greater/more hax make it a stomp/one-side. Having something like passive abilities (especially the GK) make it a stomp. The page also says: Unlike a match which is decisive in one character's favor, stomp matches very rarely leave any room for debate, with their outcomes coming across as predictable to anyone with even cursory knowledge of the combatants and their abilities.

The page then explains what constitutes fair matches.
  • Both characters have several methods of winning. However, one character can reliably use/activate their winning move(s) first.
  • One character has more ways to win than the other, but the other character wins more times than not due to matchup specifics that allow/cause them to use their winning move(s) immediately.
  • Both characters are otherwise evenly matched in terms of statistics and abilities, but one has regeneration that the other can possibly, but not easily, surmount.
  • One character having a level of regeneration that prevents them from being killed, but the other has an ability that would allow them to win despite the former's level of regeneration, such as mind manipulation, soul manipulation, etc...
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The matches:
Doctor Strange, as everyone can see is H6A with Magic, so he crushes Gojo in ap. The biggest thing wrong with this match is the Time Stone, it's got CM2 and Time Hax, Gojo, as we all know has no counter to this. The eye of Apple Sauce is also L2C. Gojo's win con through power can't be accomplished and his domain just won't come out before Strange decides to BFR (multi+ range) or just crush with magic. Since this was done when Gojo had H7A and Strange was H7A not surprised it went un-removed for so long. You can look through the thread to also see almost no win con was given for Gojo besides domain which Strange also counters through the time stone or teleporting away.

Hilariously made and genuinely a meme it was added. Michael simply has to press a button to time stop Gojo incapping him without Gojo resisting at all. It leaves no debate for an actual fight where abilities are countered or used.

The match was when Gojo had concept manip on page and was apparently a counter to her bypassing Infinity through her love beam, it's not on page anymore so such a counter doesn't work anymore. Many argued the beam getting past Infinity due to his unawareness of the beam but also because of it's vagueness of what its made of.

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Yami cuts him with an inter-dimensional spatial slash that bypasses Infinity. Similar to Boa’s match, CM arguments were used here too, but since it's no longer on the page, this should be removed as well. Yami has the AP, the skill, and a win condition that’s essentially unavoidable, while most of Gojo’s options can be tanked. A fight like this ends up one sided, with Gojo throwing out abilities like Blue, Red, and Purple that ultimately get negated or destroyed. I can understand how Gojo's domain can make this seem like it isn't a stomp, but it only works if you argue Gojo pops domain early into the match while Yami only needs to swing his sword.

Just a bunch of tomfoolery. I'm fine with it staying but like many of these matches, they were during a time when Gojo had CM2, he doesn't have that now and Ubel's win con is ridiculously more viable than anyone arguing Gojo teleporting or using blue or red or whatever, all of which can be countered through her spear. 11 pages of yapping.

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Just put the fries in the bag gang.
 
Tooru genuinely stomps Gojo extremely hard. There's nothing wrong with that. His ability basically makes it that Gojo could accidently trip on a rock and his entire leg shatters or his fingers could hit each other a bit too hard and split open when he tries using purple or he gets a random migraine and his brains explodes. That man is genuinely the most busted character in his verse, it took an ability that ignores the concept of his ability to defeat him.
 
bump. Can I just remove these now? How does this even work?
 
fine by me. I was planning on a rematch with unequal speed (and maaaaaybe minor prior knowledge) since he's faster
Speed: At least Supersonic Combat Speed with Supersonic+ Reactions (Able to intercept Toji while exhausted, worn down, and suffering a stab wound through his torso. Toji himself specifically exhausted Satoru to decrease his performance as a means of getting a decisive kill, as it was a tossup otherwise), Supersonic+ post-awakening (Effortlessly blitzed Toji Fushiguro); higher travel speed with Cursed Technique Lapse: Blue (Can use Blue to travel at high speed)
Vs.
Speed: Hypersonic (She can dodge Wirbel's Zoltraak)
And that's outdated, it's more like MHS, just waiting for a timeframe on a few of the multi-km beam scenes.
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I thought we liked Gojo chat, why ya wanna put him 6 feet under.
 
Speed: At least Supersonic Combat Speed with Supersonic+ Reactions (Able to intercept Toji while exhausted, worn down, and suffering a stab wound through his torso. Toji himself specifically exhausted Satoru to decrease his performance as a means of getting a decisive kill, as it was a tossup otherwise), Supersonic+ post-awakening (Effortlessly blitzed Toji Fushiguro); higher travel speed with Cursed Technique Lapse: Blue (Can use Blue to travel at high speed)
Vs.
Speed: Hypersonic (She can dodge Wirbel's Zoltraak)
And that's outdated, it's more like MHS, just waiting for a timeframe on a few of the multi-km beam scenes.
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I thought we liked Gojo chat, why ya wanna put him 6 feet under.
Where the hell are you getting Mhs frieren these guys barely move
 
Speed: At least Supersonic Combat Speed with Supersonic+ Reactions (Able to intercept Toji while exhausted, worn down, and suffering a stab wound through his torso. Toji himself specifically exhausted Satoru to decrease his performance as a means of getting a decisive kill, as it was a tossup otherwise), Supersonic+ post-awakening (Effortlessly blitzed Toji Fushiguro); higher travel speed with Cursed Technique Lapse: Blue (Can use Blue to travel at high speed)
Vs.
Speed: Hypersonic (She can dodge Wirbel's Zoltraak)
And that's outdated, it's more like MHS, just waiting for a timeframe on a few of the multi-km beam scenes.
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I thought we liked Gojo chat, why ya wanna put him 6 feet under.
Speed: At least Hypersonic [>Mach 7.29]
Gojo got it
 
Where the hell are you getting Mhs frieren these guys barely move
Zoltraak has some stupid af feats where it covers stupidly high stated distances in like less than a second, there's one extremely high-end one where a spell stated slower than Zoltraak covers dozens of km in almost an instant. But there's a few lower ones between 10-30km too.
Which is to say, beams go brrr and everyone worth a damn scales directly.
Also they do move, a lot, mostly in fights with equal combatants like Frieren vs Solitar or the Assassins.

Also Ubel herself has a pretty damn wild feat where she has a fight in bullet time with debris being slowmo af but that might be anime only, the beam shit is all manga tho.
Don't project the STINKY mach 3 onto the funny racially motivated elf 🫵
 
I've removed the Toru one, Doctor Strange, Yami and Michael Newman losses. It's now just Boa Hancock, Ubel and Piccolo.
 
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