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So I've read through every match for Gojo's page and I've concluded most these need to be removed. Putting it in discussions since I presume we'll discuss the matches but if it is better in CRT then I'll have it moved.
Before we address them, let's read the conditions for something to be a stomp.
The page then explains what constitutes fair matches.
The matches:
Yami cuts him with an inter-dimensional spatial slash that bypasses Infinity. Similar to Boa’s match, CM arguments were used here too, but since it's no longer on the page, this should be removed as well. Yami has the AP, the skill, and a win condition that’s essentially unavoidable, while most of Gojo’s options can be tanked. A fight like this ends up one sided, with Gojo throwing out abilities like Blue, Red, and Purple that ultimately get negated or destroyed. I can understand how Gojo's domain can make this seem like it isn't a stomp, but it only works if you argue Gojo pops domain early into the match while Yami only needs to swing his sword.
Just put the fries in the bag gang.
Before we address them, let's read the conditions for something to be a stomp.
The sheer difference in tiers is a reason for a stomp. Greater/more hax make it a stomp/one-side. Having something like passive abilities (especially the GK) make it a stomp. The page also says: Unlike a match which is decisive in one character's favor, stomp matches very rarely leave any room for debate, with their outcomes coming across as predictable to anyone with even cursory knowledge of the combatants and their abilities.Click to expand...
- Aeon (Castlevania) versus Dialga with speed equalization. Both may have a similar time manipulation emphasis, but the sheer difference in tiers makes the level of their power completely different. Note how even a small tier gap can be massive (Like 2-A to 2-B or low end 5-B to 5-A).
- Superman (Red Son) versus Doctor Doom with speed equalization. Both may have the same statistics, but their abilities make it one-sided towards Doctor Doom.
- High 6-A Golden King versus X-Man with speed equalization. While both have similar statistics and incredible abilities, Golden King's passive abilities make it so that no matter the circumstances or chance, Golden King will always win.
The page then explains what constitutes fair matches.
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- Both characters have several methods of winning. However, one character can reliably use/activate their winning move(s) first.
- One character has more ways to win than the other, but the other character wins more times than not due to matchup specifics that allow/cause them to use their winning move(s) immediately.
- Both characters are otherwise evenly matched in terms of statistics and abilities, but one has regeneration that the other can possibly, but not easily, surmount.
- One character having a level of regeneration that prevents them from being killed, but the other has an ability that would allow them to win despite the former's level of regeneration, such as mind manipulation, soul manipulation, etc...
The matches:
Doctor Strange, as everyone can see is H6A with Magic, so he crushes Gojo in ap. The biggest thing wrong with this match is the Time Stone, it's got CM2 and Time Hax, Gojo, as we all know has no counter to this. The eye of Apple Sauce is also L2C. Gojo's win con through power can't be accomplished and his domain just won't come out before Strange decides to BFR (multi+ range) or just crush with magic. Since this was done when Gojo had H7A and Strange was H7A not surprised it went un-removed for so long. You can look through the thread to also see almost no win con was given for Gojo besides domain which Strange also counters through the time stone or teleporting away.
- Doctor Strange (Marvel Cinematic Universe) Strange's Profile (Pre-Prison Realm Gojo and Sorcerer Supreme Strange were used; Speed was equalized)
Hilariously made and genuinely a meme it was added. Michael simply has to press a button to time stop Gojo incapping him without Gojo resisting at all. It leaves no debate for an actual fight where abilities are countered or used.
- Michael Newman (Click) Michael's profile (Present Gojo was being used; Starting distance was 2 meters; Speed was equalized)
The match was when Gojo had concept manip on page and was apparently a counter to her bypassing Infinity through her love beam, it's not on page anymore so such a counter doesn't work anymore. Many argued the beam getting past Infinity due to his unawareness of the beam but also because of it's vagueness of what its made of.
- Boa Hancock (One Piece) Hancock's Profile (Speed was equalized)
- Yami Sukehiro (Black Clover) Yami's Profile (Post-Advent of Qliphoth Arc Yami and Shinjuku Showdown Arc Gojo were used; Speed was equalized)
Yami cuts him with an inter-dimensional spatial slash that bypasses Infinity. Similar to Boa’s match, CM arguments were used here too, but since it's no longer on the page, this should be removed as well. Yami has the AP, the skill, and a win condition that’s essentially unavoidable, while most of Gojo’s options can be tanked. A fight like this ends up one sided, with Gojo throwing out abilities like Blue, Red, and Purple that ultimately get negated or destroyed. I can understand how Gojo's domain can make this seem like it isn't a stomp, but it only works if you argue Gojo pops domain early into the match while Yami only needs to swing his sword.
Just a bunch of tomfoolery. I'm fine with it staying but like many of these matches, they were during a time when Gojo had CM2, he doesn't have that now and Ubel's win con is ridiculously more viable than anyone arguing Gojo teleporting or using blue or red or whatever, all of which can be countered through her spear. 11 pages of yapping.
- Übel (Frieren: Beyond Journey's End) Übel's Profile (Gojo uses the key Present against Übel; Starting distance was 50 meters; Speed was equalized)
- Toru (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) Toru's Profile (SBA was used; Speed was Equalized.)
Just put the fries in the bag gang.