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This should debunk buu being atomized"insert any mention of Buu"
And why is that? You cant say "i am skepticial so i dont buy it" and dont specify or present argumentsI'm skeptical on the atom splitting example.
So can E N E R G YFire can destroy cells.
Doesnt anything with enough destructive capacity can destroy cells? a gun destroyes cellsFire can destroy cells.
The Daizenshuu claims Freeza was reduced to atoms. This statement by default means all of Freeza was reduced to atoms, not some unknown part of it. However, the manga doesn't say this and also contradicts this. So we don't use this statement.A common response to this is that there were bits of freeza left. However, its irrelevant since you don't need to completely destroy them to split their atoms or "reduce" them to atoms. Even with gohan destroying cell, we see bit and peices coming off before getting completely destroyed the longer the blast goes. Not just instantly voiding them.
Not manipulating molecules. Just having enough AP break complex molecules into simpler ones. With enough AP difference, you can reduce your target to atoms because energy can break molecules. This is basic AP.Buu can regenerate from being turned into vapor, and was later fully destroyed.. which requires manipulating molecules.
This is just universal destruction.In Dragonball Super, Goku vs Beerus clash had the power to reduce the universe to nothing. Which means all matter would be destroyed.
Like I said earlier, this is a basic property of AP. With enough AP you can destroy anything to the level of molecules or atoms.In conclusion, Characters beyond Ssj Future Trunks should have Matter destruction with the note that its on the level of spliting atoms. While ssg level characters and above in the anime, should get matter destruction to the point of voiding out atoms.
That statement would still hold true if he was atomized. As the cells would be destroyed. So it isn't debunking that.This should debunk buu being atomized
Reduce means to "make smaller or less in amount, degree, or size". If I split someone's atoms apart, you would still be applying the definition of reduce, as they were made smaller.The Daizenshuu claims Freeza was reduced to atoms. This statement by default means all of Freeza was reduced to atoms, not some unknown part of it. However, the manga doesn't say this and also contradicts this. So we don't use this statement.
Even on the matter manipulation page it says this as a part of matter manipulation. "destroy atoms to obliterate targets". Also, just the definition of the two words of 'Matter' and 'manipulation' would beget my edification, since destroying is a part of manipulation. But I specifically said destruction in the post any ways. It seems contentious for ap to overcome atoms and what not, so it should be noted.Not manipulating molecules. Just having enough AP break complex molecules into simpler ones. With enough AP difference, you can reduce your target to atoms because energy can break molecules. This is basic AP.
This is just universal destruction.
Like I said earlier, this is a basic property of AP. With enough AP you can destroy anything to the level of molecules or atoms.
Well if you split two atoms you would be affecting the bonds. Or even destroying it all together. Destroying the matter with ap falls under the sites explaintion of matter manipulation and the regular definitions.I think the intent behind matter manipulation is for characters who can control, transform, transmute, change, break down or otherwise repurpose these fundamental forces of nature and/or the bonds between them, by affecting the bonds themselves.
It costs 241 kilojoules of energy to break 1 mole of h2O, with 2331 moles of water in a 70kg person this would mean any 9-A with sufficient aoe would be consistently vaporizing humans (or a roughly 14,000,000x power ratio), which is something that happens very rarely in fiction. Almost all characters in the wiki would have matter manipulation by that logic.
Wait I though you couldn't destroy molecules and atoms with AP only?The Daizenshuu claims Freeza was reduced to atoms. This statement by default means all of Freeza was reduced to atoms, not some unknown part of it. However, the manga doesn't say this and also contradicts this. So we don't use this statement.
Not manipulating molecules. Just having enough AP break complex molecules into simpler ones. With enough AP difference, you can reduce your target to atoms because energy can break molecules. This is basic AP.
This is just universal destruction.
Like I said earlier, this is a basic property of AP. With enough AP you can destroy anything to the level of molecules or atoms.
A true matter manipulator can literally break the bonds themselves with the energy required to do so without shooting a giant energy blasts that just melts an entire person's body away for example.Well if you split two atoms you would be affecting the bonds. Or even destroying it all together. Destroying the matter with ap falls under the sites explaintion of matter manipulation and the regular definitions.
I wouldn't care if matter manipulation became more analogous with power across the wiki. By all the definitions and how power affects matter it would apply in a way. However I'm just focusing on dragonball, with its feats/statements of matter destruction.
When did firing a blast negate someone from manipulating matter? It doesn't, the example you stated is just more effective since you wouldn't need to fire a blast. However, they both have the same effect. Which is manipulating matter.A true matter manipulator can literally break the bonds themselves with the energy required to do so without shooting a giant energy blasts that just melts an entire person's body away for example.
You are using a very oversimplified understanding of the concept.
Because like I said its for people with matter hax. By applying such a basic definition of "manipulating matter" anything that eats is a matter manipulator on the molecular level for example.When did firing a blast negate someone from manipulating matter? It doesn't, the example you stated is just more effective since you wouldn't need to fire a blast. However, they both have the same effect. Which is manipulating matter.
However, a matter hax of some kind that distagrates someone by spliting their atoms and a blast which does the same thing. Would have the same effect, the only difference would be the matter hax might need a thought or something. Besides that, they would be very similar the blast would fall under "matter hax".Because like I said its for people with matter hax. By applying such a basic definition of "manipulating matter" anything that eats is a matter manipulator on the molecular level for example.
AKM's argument answers this thread.
I get what you're saying but the wiki doesn't use rudimentary values as its standards for hax. A user that can dismantle atomic bonds which requires x amount of energy =/= a blasts that indiscriminately applies overwhelming energy to everything and destroys on the atomic level. I would even argue a blast doesn't "split" atoms more than it just melts them - there's no precision involved to accomplish that.However, a matter hax of some kind that distagrates someone by spliting their atoms and a blast which does the same thing. Would have the same effect, the only difference would be the matter hax might need a thought or something. Besides that, they would be very similar the blast would fall under "matter hax".
Even if you melt atom's bonds apart that would still be splitting. Splitting means to "break or cause to break forcibly into parts". The atoms would be breaking apart. The precision isn't very imperative, since the same goal of breaking the atoms apart would be accomplished.I get what you're saying but the wiki doesn't use rudimentary values as its standards for hax. A user that can dismantle atomic bonds which requires x amount of energy =/= a blasts that indiscriminately applies overwhelming energy to everything and destroys on the atomic level. I would even argue a blast doesn't "split" atoms more than it just melts them - there's no precision involved to accomplish that.
Ngl, but there's a lot of shade in your arguments for Matter manipulation. Goku having it is debatable, but he already has matter destruction on his profile with the Hakai, so that's not too important. However, your arguments are extremely strange for the rest of the characters, so just more reason for me to disagreeWhen did firing a blast negate someone from manipulating matter? It doesn't, the example you stated is just more effective since you wouldn't need to fire a blast. However, they both have the same effect. Which is manipulating matter.
Only manga goku has it. The reason it applies to the other characters is because ki is a universal system everyone uses.Ngl, but there's a lot of shade in your arguments for Matter manipulation. Goku having it is debatable, but he already has matter destruction on his profile with the Hakai, so that's not too important. However, your arguments are extremely strange for the rest of the characters, so just more reason for me to disagree
Anime Goku did something arguably similar in the anime, but it's not likely healing...Only manga goku has it. The reason it applies to the other characters is because ki is a universal system everyone uses.
Can you link what you're referencingAnime Goku did something arguably similar in the anime, but it's not likely healing...
Cell (can regenerate from a nucleus in his head and nucleus are smaller than atoms) and buu (can regenerate from vapours) example are better than the Trunks one
It was when he jumpstarted Master Roshi's heart, but again, that's pretty debatable.Can you link what you're referencing
Oh, I thought you were saying he did something similar to the hakai.It was when he jumpstarted Master Roshi's heart, but again, that's pretty debatable.
Well increasing energy tends to increase heat which can cause matter destruction. But it ultimately fits both.Wouldn't that be heat Manipulation as they are vaporized into nothing?
It is possible with only AP (and range enough to affect all the enemy's body, but that's not a problem), as AKM said:Even if this isn't matter manip it still means db characters can kill people with regen upto mid high which shouldn't be possible with only ap so a simple note stating dragon ball characters can kill characters with regeneration upto mid high with higher ap on dragon ball's page should be fine
Also, Disagree for AKM reasonsNot manipulating molecules. Just having enough AP break complex molecules into simpler ones. With enough AP difference, you can reduce your target to atoms because energy can break molecules. This is basic AP.
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Like I said earlier, this is a basic property of AP. With enough AP you can destroy anything to the level of molecules or atoms.
Also, apparently piccolo from late dragonball believes he can blast people to atoms. Which is some nifty extra evidence.
Still a evidence and nothing to debunk itbelieves
Do you have anything to prove Piccolo's claims?Still a evidence and nothing to debunk it
Didnt goku kinda tanked the hit???Do you have anything to prove Piccolo's claims?
The crater that his blast created left behind pebbles and dust. Did he only reduce 95% of that area into atoms?