Possible Fairy Tail Upgrades (plus a minor addition for Youko)

[Eseseso]

1. First off, I think it should be added to Youko's writeup that she casually made Lucy several times stronger than her normal self via the Yokai form, meaning that she is at least "several times stronger than Lucy Heartfilia".

It's not a big thing and it doesn't really change the scaling much (although assuming "several" means 3 or more, than Youko would be at least 15.9 gigatons via scaling to Yokai Lucy, which she should considering how FT summoning power levels work). It fits with the fact that Yokai Lucy overwhelmed a base Natsu who for most of the fight was only slightly holding back, and she beat him up to the point where he was so pissed that he was about to use LFDM on her.

He would not have used this on her if he was holding back, or if he wasn't being overpowered in base. And he also looked really mad, so it's safe to say the gloves were coming off if they hadn't been already.

2. That brings me to my second proposal: X793 Aquarius should scale to Yokai Lucy. During the fight against Yokai Lucy, Aquarius repeatedly damages Yokai Lucy, meaning that Aquarius should definitely scale to her.

Who scales? Maybe Loki, since he is comparable to Aquarius (if a bit below), and if Loki scales then Elfman and Mirajane would scale too. Elfman for beating Loki rather easily, and Mirajane for being so strong that Loki seriously doubted that he could win even though he didn't even take Elfman into account.

Also, Youko should scale to it for being too tough for Aquarius to actually hurt during Lucy's rematch against her.

I don't think all of Lucy's spirits should scale above her, however, considering that Aquarius and Leo are the strongest.


3. Lastly, I think that Irene might be worthy of an upgrade to her power tier based on a statement of hers from 100YQ. So when Wendy is fighting Nebaru (and getting stomped by DF Nebaru), she uses Enchantment: Irene Belserion. This, of course, is clearly above Dragon Force Wendy, so it upscales from 21.2 gigatons.

However, Irene notes that Wendy is only using 1% of Irene's power.


This could put base Irene in the small country level range based on this statement alone, since 21.2 gigatons times 100 is 2.12 teratons, or small country level.


Even if she isn't referring to all of Wendy's power as 1% of her own, the fact is that Enchantment: Irene Belserion had to have been a pretty powerful boost if it could overpower DF Nebaru, who was previously smacking DF Wendy around.


Thoughts?

 

[Eseseso]

BUMP

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

1. Ehhhh maybe, Yokai Forms aren't exactly like regular summons, since Yokai is adding power to an already existing magic power, while with summons, they are creating all of the power on their own, also part of Lucy's justification for being 6-C to begin with is fighting Youko's Yokai, which shouldn't be above Base Natsu since he was one-shotting a bunch of them, I guess I can add it to her justifications, but her fully scaling to Yokai Lucy in her Base Form is iffy to me

2. This is fine, it's very blatant that Aquarius was beating Yokai Lucy around who was several times stronger than before and was overpowering Base Natsu, so that can be added to Lucy's justification. Aquarius is also stated to be her strongest spirit many times, so Loke wouldn't scale to her and neither would Mira and Elfman, not to mention that Mira and Elfman scale equal to Base Natsu, which is the source of the rating for Lucy

Basically Lucy can't scale to be 1/2 as strong as Base Natsu, and then have Base Natsu be 3x stronger than Lucy, just doesn't work

3. No way are we scaling Irene to anything but Deus Sema, which is High 6-C, anything else is just an outlier

Unless Irene messes with the God Tiers, in which case that makes things extremely complicated...

 

[GuildZero]

I disagree everything on here.

1. Youko didn't summon lucy when she fought natsu as a yokai. She didn't summon any yokai until she fought team natsu. And she made lucy power several times stronger but youko shouldn't scale just because she made her stronger. Wendy amps natsu and erza but she scales far below them.

I also disagree with aquarius. Aquarius was summoned using lucy magic and we know the stronger lucy gets the stronger the spirits she summon will become. So Aquarius during the yokai lucy situation would be stronger because of lucy being stronger. So it wouldn't scale to how strong Aquarius normally is.

And i disagree with irene upgrade. Irene is scaled to high 6-C because she launched deus sema which has a high 6-C calc. Irene would scale to this for the reason she was the one who launched the attack. She wouldn't upscale from wendy and become small country from wendy. It also doesn't mean irene is 100x irene belserion form wendy.

 

[Eseseso]

1. Ehhhh maybe, Yokai Forms aren't exactly like regular summons, since Yokai is adding power to an already existing magic power, while with summons, they are creating all of the power on their own, also part of Lucy's justification for being 6-C to begin with is fighting Youko's Yokai, which shouldn't be above Base Natsu since he was one-shotting a bunch of them, I guess I can add it to her justifications, but her fully scaling to Yokai Lucy in her Base Form is iffy to me

2. This is fine, it's very blatant that Aquarius was beating Yokai Lucy around who was several times stronger than before and was overpowering Base Natsu, so that can be added to Lucy's justification. Aquarius is also stated to be her strongest spirit many times, so Loke wouldn't scale to her and neither would Mira and Elfman, not to mention that Mira and Elfman scale equal to Base Natsu, which is the source of the rating for Lucy

Basically Lucy can't scale to be 1/2 as strong as Base Natsu, and then have Base Natsu be 3x stronger than Lucy, just doesn't work

3. No way are we scaling Irene to anything but Deus Sema, which is High 6-C, anything else is just an outlier

Unless Irene messes with the God Tiers, in which case that makes things extremely complicated...

2. So...should we add that 100YQ Lucy is "6-C, higher with Aquarius or Star Dress Fusion", and for Attack Potency for Aquarius, would it say "higher with Aquarius (stomped Yokai Lucy, who was several times stronger than normal Lucy and overpowered base Natsu).

2.5. Does Mimi scale to Aquarius, considering that Aquarius couldn't really hurt her? If so, then we should also add that Urano Metria is higher than normal Lucy's power since it beat Mimi who easily tanked Aquarius's attacks.

3. You know, the other day my brother tried saying that Irene matched Acnologia, and I had to point out to him that it didn't count since Acnologia didn't take her seriously. He agreed with me after I explained it.

But you're right, Irene going God tier would make things complicated.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Aquarius was summoned using lucy magic and we know the stronger lucy gets the stronger the spirits she summon will become. So Aquarius during the yokai lucy situation would be stronger because of lucy being stronger. So it wouldn't scale to how strong Aquarius normally is.

That's actually a really good point, I didn't think about that, so yeah, I disagree with Aquarius scaling as well

 

[GuildZero]

That's actually a really good point, I didn't think about that, so yeah, I disagree with Aquarius scaling as well

Thanks.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

I agree with Mitch and guild here

 

[Zackra1799]

Agree with what Mitch and Guild said as well, however for the Aquarius stuff, Lucy didn't have her magic power buffed at all, she had her spirit power buffed several times above her normal level. So her current form has no bearings on her Magic power at all which is what she uses to summon spirits.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Agree with what Mitch and Guild said as well, however for the Aquarius stuff, Lucy didn't have her magic power buffed at all, she had her spirit power buffed several times above her normal level. So her current form has no bearings on her Magic power at all which is what she uses to summon spirits.

Spirit Power can also be used for her Spirits tho, otherwise Lucy's Spirits couldn't have fought Youko's Yokai

 

[Zackra1799]

Spirit Power can also be used for her Spirits tho, otherwise Lucy's Spirits couldn't have fought Youko's Yokai

Wendy gave everyone spirit power before that fight implying that they didn't have it before, however I don't think Aquarius should scale regardless, although I do think she should get a higher with Aquarius, given she is her strongest spirit and are above all her other spirits.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Wendy gave everyone spirit power before that fight implying that they didn't have it before, however I don't think Aquarius should scale regardless, although I do think she should get a higher with Aquarius, given she is her strongest spirit and are above all her other spirits.

That doesn't necessarily warrant a separate mention, it's kinda like how we don't mention Dragon Slayer Secret Art's as higher than the base attacks

 

[Eseseso]

I'm starting to lean in favor of Mitch and Guild, although it should be noted that Lucy's spirits were powerful enough to fight the Yokai. Would that be a notable power scale?

Also, Star Dress Fusion one-shot multiple yokai at once, which might also be worth mentioning in terms of power scaling (since yokai = base Natsu and base Erza).

 

[Zackra1799]

That doesn't necessarily warrant a separate mention, it's kinda like how we don't mention Dragon Slayer Secret Art's as higher than the base attacks

that's fair

 

[GuildZero]

In chapter 77 wendy says she is enchanting everyone magic power with sprior. So increasing someone with spirit power increases their magic power. Which is what happens with yokai lucy

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

So since everything in the OP has been rejected, I guess we're done here?

 

[Eseseso]

Guess so.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Imma close this then