Some Random One Piece CRT

[CinCameron20]

I still feel very iffy about Zoro being 6-C in his first key.

Not only does this put him above Fujitora (who could harm him), but he apparently scales far above Dragon 13, which was strong enough to take one of his named attacks, and also clash with him (despite being decapitated soon after).

 

[Eminiteable]

I still feel very iffy about Zoro being 6-C in his first key.

Not only does this put him above Fujitora (who could harm him), but he apparently scales far above Dragon 13, which was strong enough to take one of his named attacks, and also clash with him (despite being decapitated soon after).

I've already said this to arslan like twice but Fujitora scales to >3.9 Gigatons via his feats against Gear 3rd + 2nd Luffy. He got a direct hit on Zoro and did continual damage via gravity on him and it left minimal damage. He shouldn't scale to Zoro.


This is just another case of serious Zoro versus casual Zoro, the fact he completely decapitated the dragon shows that. It happens every fight; against Hyouzou he was first seen clashing against him, then he one-shot once he got bored. Against Monet he was shown clashing against her but if he wanted too he could have killed her. Against Apoo same thing same result.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

So all that's currently left is waiting on damage? I think everything looks good besides the smoothie thing I mentioned

 

[Damage3245]

Although in the case of Buffalo, Caesar, and Baby 5, they were all electrocuted by 1 blast, so I'm assuming the potency would be split 3 ways. That would be mountain level for all of them I'm presuming.

I suppose splitting it three ways between all of them makes sense though I'm not 100% sure. Since the same lightning is passing through all three of them, instead of it being three separate bolts, aren't they all effectively being hit by the same amount of energy?

If three people stand in a row, and a bolt of lightning passes through all three of them, does that mean only 1/3rd of the lightning hit each one?

Sai was conscious and was still able to watch the fight. Ideo was incapacitated from the punch, shown by the fact that Sai was still commenting on the fight, but Ideo's eyes. were rolled back and he was just floating with his mouth open as if he was incapacitated.

I thought that this panel was more like him just gasping for breath because he surfaced from the water. I'll see if I can find anything that can show whether or not he was unconscious.

Chinjao and Gear 2nd Luffy (if not base) are considered as equals. Same as Sai and Ideo.
If Ideo ends up scaling to that value, this means that he will scale to Chinjao and Luffy, who incapacitated him.

That may be an issue if he was actually incapacitated.

Another thing is that this means that both Sai and Ideo end up scaling to Chinjao and Luffy, even though Sai was stating his mass inferiority to Chinjao.

Chinjao is capable of stronger attacks than just a punch, so Sai and Ideo still being inferior to his full strength doesn't clash with this.

 

[KingTempest]

I suppose splitting it three ways between all of them makes sense though I'm not 100% sure. Since the same lightning is passing through all three of them, instead of it being three separate bolts, aren't they all effectively being hit by the same amount of energy?

If three people stand in a row, and a bolt of lightning passes through all three of them, does that mean only 1/3rd of the lightning hit each one?

It’s really not that serious tbh, if you think it’s better then it’s fine, but the lightning tagged them all at the same time instead of there being like a chain of some sorts.

I thought that this panel was more like him just gasping for breath because he surfaced from the water. I'll see if I can find anything that can show whether or not he was unconscious.

Sai would've done the same thing, and the previous page shows that they both got knocked out for a little while (the all white eyes).
We see Sai like 4 more times in the manga before we see them all in the infirmary, but we don't see Ideo at all,

That may be an issue if he was actually incapacitated.

Agreed

Chinjao is capable of stronger attacks than just a punch, so Sai and Ideo still being inferior to his full strength doesn't clash with this.

Chinjao's punches scale to Luffy's attacks which sent Sai flying and they definitely scale above Ideo because of that.

 

[Damage3245]

Oh yeah, one more thing to note for Perospero:

At least Large Mountain level with Candy Wall (Could block attacks from Capone Bege)

We don't have anything to base the cannons for his Big Father mode on.

 

[Eminiteable]

Oh yeah, one more thing to note for Perospero:

We don't have anything to base the cannons for his Big Father mode on.

An alternative could be scaling the walls to the gear third punch it took. Since Luffy didn't use armament haki we can't scale it too the full value and instead just >gear second.

 

[KingTempest]

Oh yeah, one more thing to note for Perospero:



We don't have anything to base the cannons for his Big Father mode on.

His cannons are the same ones in his hand, except far larger, which hurt Oven while Bege was in his human form (from what I remember, I haven’t checked if it was his hand cannons or a gun’s bullet in a while)

 

[KingTempest]

An alternative could be scaling the walls to the gear third punch it took. Since Luffy didn't use armament haki we can't scale it too the full value and instead just >gear second.

I'm fine with this alternative.

I checked the manga and it was a bullet from one of his guns instead of the castle's cannons, so it deserves a downgrade (me personally I'd scale his casual handgun to his cannons, but meh, guns in OP are stupid. Look at the candy rounds that can pierce germa)

 

[Damage3245]

That alternative seems fine to me.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

That alternative seems fine to me.

So is there anything else left? Or is everything good to go atm

 

[KingTempest]

I've implemented Bege's. What else needs to be done?

 

[Damage3245]

So is there anything else left? Or is everything good to go atm

Still need to sort out Buffalo, Baby 5, Caeser Clown, Sai and Ideo.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

Still need to sort out Buffalo, Baby 5, Caeser Clown, Sai and Ideo.

Got it.

 

[KingTempest]

Still need to sort out Buffalo, Baby 5, Caeser Clown, Sai and Ideo.

Baby 5 was incapped so she doesn't scale to the lightning.
I've implemented Sai's durability even though I don't fully agree, but Ideo's issues still stand.

It's really your choice for Buffalo and Caesar, idk how we scale attacks that travel through others.

 

[Damage3245]

I'm not sure either. We might need some more input.

Since Sai survived the kick from Luffy, and Ideo is capable of harming Sai, then why exactly shouldn't Ideo be scaling? Just because that would put him too close to the ratings of Chinjao who knocked him out? Then wouldn't Chinjao just scale above that?

Also, I need to address Trebol's AP. I thought we were moving away from scaling based on ranks?

Looking at it objectively, Trebol does not hold his position because he compared his explosions with the attacks of each of his subordinates and said "Alright, since my attack is the most powerful, I get to be the Executive Officer." He's had his position since the start because he was the one who first submitted to Doflamingo along with Vergo, Diamante and Pica.

Trebol's rank does not determine the Attack Potency of his attacks / the potency of his explosions.

While I'm not calling a rating of City level to be inherently wrong, it does need a different justification or a different rating and different justification.

 

[Eminiteable]

Also, I need to address Trebol's AP. I thought we were moving away from scaling based on ranks?

Looking at it objectively, Trebol does not hold his position because he compared his explosions with the attacks of each of his subordinates and said "Alright, since my attack is the most powerful, I get to be the Executive Officer." He's had his position since the start because he was the one who first submitted to Doflamingo along with Vergo, Diamante and Pica.

Trebol's rank does not determine the Attack Potency of his attacks / the potency of his explosions.

While I'm not calling a rating of City level to be inherently wrong, it does need a different justification or a different rating and different justification.

Justification for Trebol being over the regular officers over just him having a higher rank could be that he was assigned as Sugar's protector over any of the normal officers.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

Justification for Trebol being over the regular officers over just him having a higher rank could be that he was assigned as Sugar's protector over any of the normal officers.

Agreed

 

[KingTempest]

I'm not sure either. We might need some more input.

Since Sai survived the kick from Luffy, and Ideo is capable of harming Sai, then why exactly shouldn't Ideo be scaling? Just because that would put him too close to the ratings of Chinjao who knocked him out? Then wouldn't Chinjao just scale above that?

Nope, because Chinjao wasn't even trying to go all out and he completely incapped him. Chinjao scales relative to that Luffy,

Also, I need to address Trebol's AP. I thought we were moving away from scaling based on ranks?

Looking at it objectively, Trebol does not hold his position because he compared his explosions with the attacks of each of his subordinates and said "Alright, since my attack is the most powerful, I get to be the Executive Officer." He's had his position since the start because he was the one who first submitted to Doflamingo along with Vergo, Diamante and Pica.

Trebol's rank does not determine the Attack Potency of his attacks / the potency of his explosions.

While I'm not calling a rating of City level to be inherently wrong, it does need a different justification or a different rating and different justification.

Justification for Trebol being over the regular officers over just him having a higher rank could be that he was assigned as Sugar's protector over any of the normal officers.

This might be fine imo

 

[Damage3245]

Justification for Trebol being over the regular officers over just him having a higher rank could be that he was assigned as Sugar's protector over any of the normal officers.

How do we know the only reason Trebol was assigned to be her protector is because of his Attack Potency? Wasn't he there using his ability to grab people from the trash heap and stick them down so Sugar could turn them into a toy? So it could just be for his Devil Fruit's usefulness that he was there.

Also, if it is about just Attack Potency, then Pica wasn't assigned to be Sugar's protector. Does that mean Trebol > Pica?

 

[StrawHatArslan]

How do we know the only reason Trebol was assigned to be her protector is because of his Attack Potency? Wasn't he there using his ability to grab people from the trash heap and stick them down so Sugar could turn them into a toy? So it could just be for his Devil Fruit's usefulness that he was there.

Also, if it is about just Attack Potency, then Pica wasn't assigned to be Sugar's protector. Does that mean Trebol > Pica?

No, he would just be at least 7-B for scaling above other members of the family. Pica has already been stated to be the strongest member and has feats relative to that area.

 

[KingTempest]

Also, if it is about just Attack Potency, then Pica wasn't assigned to be Sugar's protector. Does that mean Trebol > Pica?

Pica was fighting Zoro, Luffy, and Viola
Diamante was in the tournament
Vergo was dead

So yeeee

 

[Eminiteable]

How do we know the only reason Trebol was assigned to be her protector is because of his Attack Potency? Wasn't he there using his ability to grab people from the trash heap and stick them down so Sugar could turn them into a toy? So it could just be for his Devil Fruit's usefulness that he was there.

He was shown protecting her with his explosions, the only time (If i'm remembering correctly) he used his fruit that way was against Usopp who already took his explosions.

 

[Damage3245]

He was shown protecting her with his explosions, the only time (If i'm remembering correctly) he used his fruit that way was against Usopp who already took his explosions.

I'm referring to when he was using his abilities on all of the coliseum fighters, prior to Usopp's arrival.

 

[Eminiteable]

I'm referring to when he was using his abilities on all of the coliseum fighters, prior to Usopp's arrival.

I see, that doesn't seem to be involved in his role as a protector though. Based off the fly instance, the tonatta's and Usopp his role as a protector is a traditional one of ensuring no harm comes to Sugar and he primarily does that with his explosions.

 

[joshpiece]

I’m leaning towards damage on this topic. The reason why trebol was assigned to sugar was definitely not an ap reason. His fruit allowed them to pick out people 1 by 1 in the trash heap and have them get touched by sugar.

I personally think 7-B (superior to usopp) works just fine

 

[Eminiteable]

I’m leaning towards damage on this topic. The reason why trebol was assigned to sugar was definitely not an ap reason. His fruit allowed them to pick out people 1 by 1 in the trash heap and have them get touched by sugar.

I personally think 7-B (superior to usopp) works just fine

He's assigned as her protector not her aid, while he can still aid her in her role it doesn't change the fact that his sole purpose was as a protector to Sugar. This is why Doflamingo tells Trebol to bring her to the palace and why Trebol apologies that she was knocked out, he failed in his role.

 

[KingTempest]

I personally think 7-B (superior to usopp) works just fine

You mean superior to the guy who’s AP scales to his own dura that scales to Trebol is fine?

 

[Damage3245]

You mean superior to the guy who’s AP scales to his own dura that scales to Trebol is fine?

Yeah, that doesn't seem to work out if I'm understanding that right.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

Yeah, that doesn't seem to work out if I'm understanding that right.

Wait can you add more context I’m confused to what you said

 

[KingTempest]

Yeah, that doesn't seem to work out if I'm understanding that right.

Trebol's AP > Usopp's AP ~ Usopp's Dura ~ Trebol's AP

Closed loop with no value

 

[Damage3245]

Usopp's lack of prominent or consistent feats is part of the reasons why I'm nervous about making him one of the central foundations of a massive scaling chain that is affecting dozens and dozens of characters.

 

[KingTempest]

Lack of feats isn't a reason to not have him in that position, it's just risky.

Outside of position scaling, here's something.

Gladius exploded 2 Tontattas. Although they were injured, they didn't die.
Leo via his position is > those Tontattas.
Trebol hurt Leo with a small portion of his slime.
Trebol's AP >>> Leo's Dura ≤ Gladius' AP

 

[Damage3245]

I'll address that tomorrow, and another potential issue I may have found.

 

[RazumaHiroki]

From what I'm gathering the only thing that's left is "Usopp" and "Trebol"?

 

[StrawHatArslan]

I'll address that tomorrow, and another potential issue I may have found.

Alright let us know that when you’re ready. I think this CRT is very close to concluding atm.

 

[Damage3245]

Leo via his position is > those Tontattas.

Isn't this making the ratings based on ranks again?

The other thing I noticed is that doesn't Viola hurt Sanji with her attacks while he isn't using Haki?

Shouldn't Viola be scaling to Sanji's durability without Haki?

Also, I'm putting together a diagram that should hopefully illustrate the scaling well.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

The other thing I noticed is that doesn't Viola hurt Sanji with her attacks while he isn't using Haki?

Shouldn't Viola be scaling to Sanji's durability without Haki?

Well... Could just be a nosebleed from her beauty ...

 

[KingTempest]

Isn't this making the ratings based on ranks again?

We're not about to cut out every single ranked based scaling in the verse.
The original context I imposed that rule for was for people of the same rank like Vergo and Diamante, not of chiefs and fodder.

The other thing I noticed is that doesn't Viola hurt Sanji with her attacks while he isn't using Haki?

Shouldn't Viola be scaling to Sanji's durability without Haki?

You mean the guy who's dura goes to shit when he sees women?

 

[Damage3245]

You mean the guy who's dura goes to shit when he sees women?

He's admitted that his Armament Haki goes soft when facing a woman, but I don't remember anything about his normal durability being debuffed by women.