Tower of God General Discussion Thread Part 5

[Arceus0x]

If this was an isekai/phantasy world with game mechanics like in all those popular modern korean webtoons then Baam would be 6-B by the beginning of s2

 

[ElajRuengies]

How ironic, the strongest version of Baam before training with Eduan was when he was using the Power of Souls, but after training with Eduan, just his Base form was enough to casually defeat anything he fought before (obviously, I'm excluding Urek, Love, Hell Joe and any ranker level person)

I mean, it half checks out- the Blue Thyrssa said that if Bam unleashed his power, he would gain the ability to steamroll his way up the Tower, and while it would have been anti-climactic, Bam unlocking Blue-Thyrssa-only True Self Mode in Dallar Show and annihilating Hoaqin and then defeating Pedro with 1st Thorn Ignition would have been hilarious

Arceus0x said:
If this was an isekai/phantasy world with game mechanics like in all those popular modern korean webtoons then Baam would be 6-B by the beginning of s2

Okay but this actually perfectly describes Urek's trip up the Tower given how he names his moves and the fact that he was strong enough to beat Arie Hon by the 100th Floor; Urek was 100% an isekai protagonist during his climb

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Well, if Prime White can create hundreds of slashes per swing (which makes the fight between Urek and Arie Hon seem even more incredible, as the latter can most likely create much more slashes than Prime White besides being the more haxxed version of him, and Urek fought him to a standstill)

How many slashes per swing Arie Inieta and the other versions of White (Post-Clone, Post-3 Siblings and Weakened) can create?

 

[ImNot4nUser]

Well, if Prime White can create hundreds of slashes per swing (which makes the fight between Urek and Arie Hon seem even more incredible, as the latter can most likely create much more slashes than Prime White besides being the more haxxed version of him, and Urek fought him to a standstill)

How many slashes per swing Arie Inieta and the other versions of White (Post-Clone, Post-3 Siblings and Weakened) can create?

well... >4for sure, in the tens for all siblings (no clone) Hoaqin most likely.

that also makes it unfair to all swordsman he fights, imagine getting spammed by hundreds of slashes that comes from all direction and will inevitably hit and can't get blocked...

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

@ImNot4nUser

Yes, and the only way to counter the Arie Swordsmanship is tank it, counter-attack the slashes with even more power or attack the Arie sword user before he could swing his sword

 

[ElajRuengies]

@ImNot4nUser

Yes, and the only way to counter the Arie Swordsmanship is tank it, counter-attack the slashes with even more power or attack the Arie sword user before he could swing his sword

Or be "even better at Arie Swordsmanship"

 

[Arceus0x]

Or be an irregular

 

[ImNot4nUser]

attack the Arie sword user before he could swing his sword

which is almost impossible coz speed equalized

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I've been wondering, should all ToG characters get Acrobatics as a power in their profiles? Or should only a few get it added?

 

[ElajRuengies]

Considering that even Wangnan has shown the ability to run on walls, (this chapter) I think it's safe to assume that any at least vaguely human looking Regular and up has acrobatics, but whether or not they use it is a different thing.

 

[ElajRuengies]

Alright so turns out that the density of flowers was a bit inflated in the Rose Shower calc.

The ends are now 794.9 Gigatons and 1.2 Teratons oof

 

[ImNot4nUser]

Alright so turns out that the density of flowers was a bit inflated in the Rose Shower calc.

The ends are now 794.9 Gigatons and 1.2 Teratons oof

so we came from top 2 highest Low 6B AP to this?

GIGA OOF

 

[ElajRuengies]

To be fair, that's kinda what happens when the original calc gets a volume 3.64 times larger, and uses a density 166% higher than the new one

 

[ImNot4nUser]

fair,as long as it is accurate i dont care if it is stronger or weaker, accurate>

(White vs Mihawk the sequel when?)

 

[ElajRuengies]

fair,as long as it is accurate i dont care if it is stronger or weaker, accurate>

Facts
(Remember when Base Yuri was 10% as strong as Essence of Bravery Kallavan? Now she's- at best- 2.5%, and at worse 1.6%; Although Green April Ignition Yuri is still 10% of EoB Kallavan so really nothing changed)

(White vs Mihawk the sequel when?)

When Mihawk displays resistance to Non-Devil Fruit related Law Manipulation, and also the ability to parry 100 attacks at once

 

[Arceus0x]

White: I went down to hell with you so i can watch you die again

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

@ImNot4nUser
I mean, Post-Clone White will be scaled to be slightly superior to 4.96 Teratons anyway

 

[ElajRuengies]

Mihawk's so cool/hype that unfortunately people put him in match ups with folk way outside his league; in the words of King Tempest-

Finally, someone who doesn't eat dimensions as a Mihawk opponent.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

One question, we will give Low 6-B+ (4.96 Teratons) durability to Yuri with Green April Ignition as a whole or just when she use it to block just like other characters?

 

[ElajRuengies]

One question, we will give Low 6-B+ (4.96 Teratons) durability to Yuri with Green April Ignition as a whole or just when she use it to block just like other characters?

Uhhhhhh... The thing is that unlike normal weapons like Cullinan (stretching the word normal here), Ignition Weapons power up the user as well, and she was able to take a (very casual) hit from Weakened EoB Kallavan so I'd say as a whole

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

So, which end will be accepted for Rose Shower's calc, High 6-C+ or Low 6-B?

 

[ElajRuengies]

He said that both are acceptable, so naturally I'm gonna choose the matt method because it does not look like a box to me. And also because it's a bigger AP of course.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

So which you will really choose then?

 

[ElajRuengies]

... I just said that I'd choose the mat method?

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Ok then, I got confused before, but now I understand

 

[ImNot4nUser]

ToG Calc CRT: monthly bump......bump....bump
ToG hax CRT: Yeah this looks fine chain of agree

this show the level of complexity between the two

 

[ElajRuengies]

To be fair, it wasn't really so much of a CRT as it was 6 calcs stacked in a trench coat that looked like a CRT, and bugging staff until they had evaluated them all.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

By the way, someone here know which reasoning we will use to put Yuri with Green April Ignition to be comparable to Post-Clone Absorption White besides her performance against a severely weakened EoBF Kallavan after the Bamboo calcs be accepted?

 

[ElajRuengies]

By the way, someone here know which reasoning we will use to put Yuri with Green April Ignition to be comparable to Post-Clone Absorption White besides her performance against a severely weakened EoBF Kallavan after the Bamboo calcs be accepted?

I believe it's purely on account of how similarly they performed against a non-full power Essence of Bravery Kallavan.

Post Clone White (no Spinel)

• Was up against a one-armed Kallavan who wasn't even boosted by shinsoo
• Had all of their spam attacks walked through, and had an up close hit nullified by a punch
• Later almost taken out in a single restrained hit.

Green April Ignition Yuri

• Was up against a Kallavan who had a massive hole in his chest and had their dura notably lessened
• Had all of their spam attacks ignored, while her Rose Shower was casually dispersed
• Temporarily taken out of the fight with a single non-chalant hit

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Also, which will be S3 TSM Baam scaling? Equal or stronger than Post-Clone White?

 

[ImNot4nUser]

Also, which will be S3 TSM Baam scaling? Equal or stronger than Post-Clone White?

His stardust scales higher than White but overall he should be below

Looking back,
it shows you the extent of Ha Jinsung, who pierced the belly of Kallavan in full power,
but also Bam who dealt some damage to Kallavan.
Bam’s offensive power is already quite something, but it also works on all tiers of enemies.
Of course, you can’t say White is weaker than Bam,
but Bam’s one attack seems more powerful as it damaged Kallavan.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Do you know what? I will do a match-up between Yasratcha and Kallavan after The Nest Arc end

 

[ImNot4nUser]

Do you know what? I will do a match-up between Yasratcha and Kallavan after The Nest Arc end

well, they seem to have a WoG statement of real power difference between the two, and idk what other hax he has for now...

also new hax in new chapter
Chronokines, someone can reverse herself to a previous state to regenerate damage

 

[ElajRuengies]

Also, which will be S3 TSM Baam scaling? Equal or stronger than Post-Clone White?

Honestly, given the rescaling and substantial Rose Shower nerf. TSM Bam w/ 1st Thorn becoming At least Small Country level (5 Teratons) by virtue of having a higher AP than Karaka (who now is only "At least 1.2 Teratons" is no longer solid at all. With that being said, his Stardust does get to being equal to Post Clone White (not higher because he also had Karaka's help), and TSM w/ 2nd Thorn is a bit higher.

His stardust scales higher than White but overall he should be below

Okay, that line however was referring to S2 TSM + FTI + 2nd Thorn Bam's Stardust, which- if that statement's taken at face value- is an outlier. Not to mention that SIU says "seems more powerful", not, "is more powerful".

Plus, Stardust partially utilizes the Shinwonryu, which nullifies shinsoo. (Wait a minute! You may be thinking- when Kallavan fought White he wasn't using a shinsoo boost at all and was taking White's attacks just fine, so shouldn't that be equal to Kallavan when he got hit by a Stardust, which actually hurt him, and thus a Stardust should be stronger than Post Clone White?

Well it would be if Kallavan hadn't already been wounded in the spot where the Stardust hit and was surviving thanks to the EoB and the shinsoo loop, which would have been nullified when against a Stardust, thus making it easier for Bam to hurt Kallavan.

With that being said, S3 TSM Bam's Stardust does get to be equal to Post Clone White as Kallavan had not been wounded in any capacity beforehand.

Do you know what? I will do a match-up between Yasratcha and Kallavan after The Nest Arc end

The true winner is Adori, murdering them both for failure

well, they seem to have a WoG statement of real power difference between the two, and idk what other hax he has for now...

I mean, it's not that much of a power difference, and Yasratcha seems to be a bit faster than most Top 100 folk while in their base or even with some buffs.

also new hax in new chapter
Chronokines, someone can reverse herself to a previous state to regenerate damage

It looked more like a [Save Snapshot] and [Reload Snapshot] style of time hax to me but either way Adam's Glove is no longer the only Time Hax thing in ToG.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Honestly, I would prefer to let S3 TSM Baam with Low 6-B+ in overall, it makes the profile simpler and uncomplicated

 

[ElajRuengies]

Honestly, I would prefer to let S3 TSM Baam with Low 6-B+ in overall, it makes the profile simpler and uncomplicated

Yeah it's simpler, but it's also wrong to say that all of S3 TSM Bam's moves are Low 6-B+

 

[Arceus0x]

let's wait and see. I feel like we are scaling too fast.
Let's wait for more feats in this arc and for more powers.
If we do that we can change everything we need in one fell swoop.

 

[Arceus0x]

Yeah it's simpler, but it's also wrong to say that all of S3 TSM Bam's moves are Low 6-B+

maybe varies from low 6-B+ to 6-B?

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

By the way, I realized one thing after re-reading all the Shinwonryu-related chapters, doesn't that kind of negate the durability to some extent? With dura negation properties that are even superior to the Piercing Techniques? Since Base Baam was able to deal comparable damage to Gado when they both managed to make Yama half-wake up, although Gado did this through sheer AP and Base Baam is nothing in comparison to Gado in this category. Also, when he used Shinwonryu on a restrained EoB Kallavan, the latter reacted to not let Base Baam use it on him, implying it could harm him, despite tanking two very powerful consecutives Piercing Techniques (dura negation power) from Karaka with any sign of internal damage that it should usually causes shortly after this happened, and when Baam enters True Self Mode and attacks Kallavan along with Karaka, they could only do a small cut on Kallavan because of Stardust, which is mainly the combination of Orb and Shinwonryu, ther latter which demonstrated dura negation capacities

What I'm trying to say is that Shinwonryu has dura negation powers, and I think we should likely add that to the description of his Limited Drability Negation, which also means S3 TSM overall should be just At least Low 6-B (superior 1.2 Teratons) via being stronger than S3 Karaka, and Last Station Arc Full Power Baam with Stardust's description of harming Kallavan should be removed, since this technique has dura negation properties, as it was showcased previously

What do you guys think?

 

[Arceus0x]

Like i said, let's wait and see.