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Super Saiyan Blue Multiplier

Seems like enough of the staff agree for it to be applied. So far only Elizhaa and Soldier Blue appear to be neutral.

I'll bring up my 50x speed multipliers for DBS from the old thread then.

EDIT: HERE YA GO-

Suppressed Beerus/Base DBS Goku Post BoG - 196 quadrillion c

SSJ Goku - 9.8 quintillion c

SSJ2, SSJ3, and SSJG - At least 9.8 quintillion c, likely far higher

Pre-Goku Black Saga SSJB (Assuming 50x Multiplier over BoG SSG) - 490 quintillion c

SSJB KKx10 (U6 Saga) - At least 4.9 sextillion c, likely far higher

SSJB Goku from Hit rematch and onwards - At least 4.9 sextillion c, likely far higher

SSJB KKx20 Goku (beginning of ToP) - At least 98 sextillion c, likely far higher

UIO1 and UIO2 Goku - At least 98 sextillion c, likely far higher

SSJB Goku (Post UIO2) - At least 98 sextillion c, likely far higher

SSJB Goku KKx20 (Post UIO2) - At least 1.96 septillion c, likely far higher

UIO3 Goku - At least 1.96 septillion c, likely far higher

MUI Goku - At least 1.96 septillion c, likely far higher
 
KLOL506 said:
MUI Goku - At least 1.96 septillion c, likely far higher
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I will do my version which is obviously flawless and Superior!
Base Goku after absorbing god ki:
196 quadrillion the speed of light.
Ssj, ssj2, ssj3: at least 9.8 quintillion the speed of light, far higher.
Ssb: at least 490 quintillion.
Ssbkk10: 4.9 sextillion
After the black saga he fought with hit on his ssb, meaning he got 10 times stronger.
Base :98 quintillion
Ssj1,2,3,god : at least 4.9 sextillion
Ssb: 245 sextillion
Ssbkk10: 2.4 septillion
Ssbkk20: 48 septillion.
After some other plot armor stuff he got 20x stronger because his performance in ssb was better than his ssbkk20. This mean he got 20x stronger in all of his stats and forms [will be explained later]
Base goku : 1.9 sextillion.
Ssj1 etc...: 95 sextillion.
Ssb: 4.7 septillion.
Ssbkk10:47 septillion
Ssbkk20: 9.4 octillion
Mui, ui etc: are far higher.
Explanation time!
Ssb is a 50x times multiplier so is ssj1.
We don't use the other forms because they don't have hard evidence expect some numbers from the daizenshu.
After the black saga [sounds wrong I know] he got 10 stronger, this will logically this would scale to all of his forms, he got a other zenkai boost that got him 20 stronger via his performance being better in hi ssb than his ssbkk20, meaning he got 20x stronger, this would also logically scale to all of his forms.
We aren't using the ui states because we don't know actually how much stronger.
Is there any questions?
 
KLOL506 said:
Again, Zenkai boosts are incredibly inconsistent AF.

Also, source on the 10x multiplier? Is it blatantly stated anywhere?
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He got 10 stronger in his ssb, since his ssb preformed better than his ssbkk10 against hit, it's even on your blog.
And for the 20 times, his preformnace in ssb was better than his ssbkk20 again it's on your blog
 
Orange said:
Base :98 quintillion
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Just because he grew 10x stronger in SSB doesn't mean it applies on base especially when SSB is an exponential growth.
KLOL's version is according to the currently accepted scaling.
 
AKM sama said:
Just because he grew 10x stronger in SSB doesn't mean it applies on base especially when SSB is an exponential growth.
KLOL's version is according to the currently accepted scaling.
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That would actually be very true of we consider that ssb is a form that literally turns him into a different entity, in order to accept that we would assume any gain he gets in lower forms won't effect his ssb state.
If we accept it the multiplier would actually increase and I don't think you can do that in ssj forms without grades.
 
I don't think you're getting that a 10x increase in SSB would result in a miniscule and negligible increase in base since any increase in base would be multiplied exponentially and result in a much higher value when it reaches SSB. Also, why would be 98 quintillion all of a sudden? That's like a 500x increase from the previous base value.
 
The accepted blog has been updated with the SSJB multiplier. With this out of the way I guess it's time to bring up another important addition to the scaling chain. Base Gogeta.

Base Gogeta is stronger than SSJB Goku. With this in mind Gogeta can turn Super Saiyan which is 50 times and stack SSJB on top of which is 50 time on top of that. Considering how this is a post ToP SSJB Goku, SSJ1 Gogeta should be approximately 4.9 septillion c. and SSJB Gogeta should be 245 septillion c.
 
As this directly pertains to a blog I made and a topic I was involved in, and it seems pretty unanimous that we are using the SSJB 50x multiplier, I think it makes sense for me to do a quick post on it if we are already addressing the topic and I am seeing it in real time.

For the record I would like to state that in the future, I don't mind updating this blog if available, but if this blog needs to be updated the knowledgeable staff have my permission to edit it to reflect the additions that are accepted if I'm not available to.

Also the Gogeta scaling is accurate, and I would say the SSJB numbers should logically scale to those who are listed as "At least Low 2-C" and up currently, given Broly is touted as Beerus level and is at least somewhat comparable to SSJB Gogeta, as he tanks multiple attacks and blocks and trades blows with him multiple times.
 
SSJRyu1 said:
Also the Gogeta scaling is accurate, and I would say the SSJB numbers should logically scale to those who are listed as "At least Low 2-C" and up currently, given Broly is touted as Beerus level and is at least somewhat comparable to SSJB Gogeta, as he tanks multiple attacks and blocks and trades blows with him multiple times.
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Nobody should scale to SSB Gogeta. The GoDs and the other top tiers that scale to them should upscale from SSJ Gogeta, but nobody scales to SSB gogeta so he gets his own value.
 
AKM sama said:
I don't think you're getting that a 10x increase in SSB would result in a miniscule and negligible increase in base since any increase in base would be multiplied exponentially and result in a much higher value when it reaches SSB. Also, why would be 98 quintillion all of a sudden? That's like a 500x increase from the previous base value.
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1- Yeah ofcourse then getting stronger in any state would effect other states, literally the only way that would explain them not getting effected if we treat every form as a separate entity all together, but we know this isn't true at all.
2- after the black saga he got 10 times stronger based on his performance against hit. And after initial UI he got 20x stronger based on his performance against jiren
 
AKM sama said:
Just because he grew 10x stronger in SSB doesn't mean it applies on base especially when SSB is an exponential growth.
KLOL's version is according to the currently accepted scaling.
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I ninja'd you in this regard LOL
 
So, Base Gogeta = At least 98 sextillion c , Likely Far Higher
SSJ/SSJ2/SSJ3/SSG = At least 4.9 Septillion c, Likely Far Higher
SSB Gogeta = At least 245 Septillion c,Likely Far Higher
KLOL506 said:
Seems like enough of the staff agree for it to be applied. So far only Elizhaa and Soldier Blue appear to be neutral.

I'll bring up my 50x speed multipliers for DBS from the old thread then.

EDIT: HERE YA GO-

Suppressed Beerus/Base DBS Goku Post BoG - 196 quadrillion c

SSJ Goku - 9.8 quintillion c

SSJ2, SSJ3, and SSJG - At least 9.8 quintillion c, likely far higher

Pre-Goku Black Saga SSJB (Assuming 50x Multiplier over BoG SSG) - 490 quintillion c

SSJB KKx10 (U6 Saga) - At least 4.9 sextillion c, likely far higher

SSJB Goku from Hit rematch and onwards - At least 4.9 sextillion c, likely far higher

SSJB KKx20 Goku (beginning of ToP) - At least 98 sextillion c, likely far higher

UIO1 and UIO2 Goku - At least 98 sextillion c, likely far higher

SSJB Goku (Post UIO2) - At least 98 sextillion c, likely far higher

SSJB Goku KKx20 (Post UIO2) - At least 1.96 septillion c, likely far higher

UIO3 Goku - At least 1.96 septillion c, likely far higher

MUI Goku - At least 1.96 septillion c, likely far higher
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FluffyCreatureZ said:
Nobody should scale to SSB Gogeta. The GoDs and the other top tiers that scale to them should upscale from SSJ Gogeta, but nobody scales to SSB gogeta so he gets his own value.
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The angels and all 2-C guys definitely scale above SSJB Gogeta since they can one shot GoD's like Beerus casually, and Gogeta needed SSJB just to overpower Broly, whom he still couldn't one shot or completely blitz. Broly was at least somewhat comparable to SSJB Gogeta taking multiple hits and having multiple exchanges with him, reacting to, and even dodging a few of his attacks early on, so imo he would scale to, but definitely any 2-C character would sacle above.

My suggestion would be to use the accepted scaling with SSJB added now, and just add in the Gogeta scaling since it is pretty cut and dry, and only scale the SSJB Gogeta numbers to those who are listed as "At least low 2-C" or higher.
 
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SSJRyu1 said:
The angels and all 2-C guys definitely scale above SSJB Gogeta since they can one shot GoD's like Beerus casually, and Gogeta needed SSJB just to overpower Broly, whom he still couldn't one shot or completely blitz. Broly was at least somewhat comparable to SSJB Gogeta taking multiple hits and having multiple exchanges with him, reacting to, and even dodging a few of his attacks early on, so imo he would scale to, but definitely any 2-C character would sacle above.
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Sure the angels and the 2-C guys absolutely scale to Gogeta. But Gogeta SSB completely stomped broly casually, broly stood literally no chance, he was fighting for his life while Gogeta was not giving him any time to rest, there's no reason for broly to scale to SSB Gogeta, and thus any of the GoDs and those on that level as well.
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
Sure the angels and the 2-C guys absolutely scale to Gogeta. But Gogeta SSB completely stomped broly casually, broly stood literally no chance, he was fighting for his life while Gogeta was not giving him any time to rest, there's no reason for broly to scale to SSB Gogeta, and thus any of the GoDs and those on that level as well.
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Disagree that SSJB Gogeta stomped Broly casually, first Gogeta literally needed SSJB to get any advantage as Broly was overtaking SSJ Gogeta, Broly dodges his initial energy blast volley straight up when he goes SSJB, reacts to and blocks several attacks in the fight, has several exchanges with him, survives several serious finishing moves like the soul punisher combo etc. and keeps coming afterward. He showed to at least be able to withstand multiple serious attacks, and to at least be able to somewhat keep up, even if he was ultimately overpowered and outmaneuvered by the far more skilled fighter. So I think its reasonable to say his speed is at least somewhat comparable and it was not a stomp.
 
SSJRyu1 said:
Disagree that SSJB Gogeta stomped Broly casually, first Gogeta literally needed SSJB to get any advantage as Broly was overtaking SSJ Gogeta, Broly dodges his initial energy blast volley straight up when he goes SSJB, reacts to and blocks several attacks in the fight, has several exchanges with him, survives several serious finishing moves like the soul punisher combo etc. and keeps coming afterward. He showed to at least be able to withstand multiple serious attacks, and to at least be able to somewhat keep up, even if he was ultimately overpowered and outmaneuvered by the far more skilled fighter. So I think its reasonable to say his speed is at least somewhat comparable and it was not a stomp.
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I disagree with you as well. Broly did nothing to gogeta, he didn't even make gogeta exert himself, in fact gogeta was not hit once after he turned blue, while broly couldn't do anything at all to protect himself. I think you're confusing gogeta exerting himself vs being serious.
Your argument that gogeta didn't speed blitz one shot broly or that broly survived multiple attacks from gogeta is ridiculous because guess what, when broly first transformed into his green hair form gogeta landed an attack that did nothing to broly just like how broly couldn't land one attack to gogeta while in ssb, and then SSJ gogeta took a full power berserk attack to the gut from green hair broly and then a kick after that, then broly rushed him and he STOPPED broly's rush and then tanked ANOTHER full power punch from berserk broly, so using your own logic against you, I can claim that SSJ gogeta scales to green hair broly because he withstood multiple attacks from him and didn't get immediately speed blitzed and one shot, and this is what you're trying to do for broly with SSB gogeta, by your own logic green hair broly would scale to both SSJ gogeta and SSB gogeta even though the difference is more than 50x. It's absolutely ridiculous.
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
I disagree with you as well. Broly did nothing to gogeta, he didn't even make gogeta exert himself, in fact gogeta was not hit once after he turned blue, while broly couldn't do anything at all to protect himself. I think you're confusing gogeta exerting himself vs being serious.
Your argument that gogeta didn't speed blitz one shot broly or that broly survived multiple attacks from gogeta is ridiculous because guess what, when broly first transformed into his green hair form gogeta landed an attack that did nothing to broly just like how broly couldn't land one attack to gogeta while in ssb, and then SSJ gogeta took a full power berserk attack to the gut from green hair broly and then a kick after that, then broly rushed him and he STOPPED broly's rush and then tanked ANOTHER full power punch from berserk broly, so using your own logic against you, I can claim that SSJ gogeta scales to green hair broly because he withstood multiple attacks from him and didn't get immediately speed blitzed and one shot, and this is what you're trying to do for broly with SSB gogeta, by your own logic green hair broly would scale to both SSJ gogeta and SSB gogeta even though the difference is more than 50x. It's absolutely ridiculous.
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Well your welcome to your opinion, but the fact is while Broly didn't damage SSJB Gogeta, he never landed a clean hit, so your just assuming he can't damage him when we have no proof either way for that, therefore moot point. Broly did objectively force Gogeta to use SSJB, outright dodged his first ki blast volley as SSJB, reacted to and blocked multiple attacks from him, and survived several serious attacks from Gogeta such as the soul punisher combo and later energy blast combos and kept fighting, with no indication that Gogeta was holding back. In fact Gogeta was willing to kill him in the end and knew his power was rising. So as far as I'm concerned that makes Broly at least somewhat comparable.

As for SSJ Gogeta being somewhat comparable to Broly's full power state, maybe initially, but as was said and shown many times, his power constantly increases, and Gogeta clearly felt he needed SSJB to stack up, so I don't see that as an equivalent argument and much more forced of an interpretation.

Anyway I'm not here for a back and forth on power scaling this is simply my recommendation based on objective evidence.
 
Gogeta's numbers make sense as SSJRyu proposed according to the accepted multipliers.
 
I agree with Ryu
Thus in my Opinion
So, Base Gogeta = At least 98 sextillion c , Likely Far Higher
SSJ/SSJ2/SSJ3/SSG = At least 4.9 Septillion c, Likely Far Higher
SSB Gogeta = At least 245 Septillion c,Likely Far Higher
Broly, GoDs , Jiren & MUI Goku should scale to SSB Gogeta they easily scale above 4.9 Septillion c & should Scale to 245 Septillion c
Btw how should we scale SSB KKx20 Vegito from Heroes?!?
 
LightReinh12345 said:
I agree with Ryu
Thus in my Opinion
So, Base Gogeta = At least 98 sextillion c , Likely Far Higher
SSJ/SSJ2/SSJ3/SSG = At least 4.9 Septillion c, Likely Far Higher
SSB Gogeta = At least 245 Septillion c,Likely Far Higher
Broly, GoDs , Jiren & MUI Goku should scale to SSB Gogeta they easily scale above 4.9 Septillion c & should Scale to 245 Septillion c
Btw how should we scale SSB KKx20 Vegito from Heroes?!?
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Well heroes are generally stronger than canon characters, so just scale canon characters to the base form of heroes. That's just my opinion
 
Heroes is a whole other can of worms with inconsistent scaling tbh, it's OK to scale the anime feats to heroes, but I would not try and make a heroes scaling chain that inflates the canon results personally, it would get messy and controversial and constantly be changed. The "at least...likely higher" should be sufficient to show its a conservative estimate.

That being said I would say anybody who clearly scales to Post ToP Jiren or SSJB Gogeta himself in Heroes would logically scale to the proposed numbers above. As a good example, God slayer hearts who was stronger in the anime, arcade and manga of DBH than Post ToP Jiren, and forced even Gogeta in the anime to need help from Jiren and Hit to stop his final attack. Gogeta Blue, and by extension current Vegito blue who is made up of the same guys but stronger versions (current Vegito blue is stated stronger than he was against cumber and chronologically appears after Gogeta blue in heroes), SSJ4LB Xeno Vegito, SSJ4LB Broly, Dark King Fu, Current Demigra, MUI CC Goku, Grand Priest etc. Also Future warrior from Xenoverse 2 in his last 2 keys and Future warrior from Xenoverse 1 in his Xenoverse 2 key would scale. Those are some obvious ones. There may be more that I missed but you get the idea.
 
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SSJRyu1 said:
Heroes is a whole other can of worms with inconsistent scaling tbh, it's OK to scale the anime feats to heroes, but I would not try and make a heroes scaling chain that inflates the canon results personally, it would get messy and controversial and constantly be changed. The "at least...likely higher" should be sufficient to show its a conservative estimate.

That being said I would say anybody who clearly scales to Post ToP Jiren or SSJB Gogeta himself in Heroes would logically scale to the proposed numbers above. As a good example, God slayer hearts who was stronger in the anime, arcade and manga of DBH than Post ToP Jiren, and forced even Gogeta in the anime to need help from Jiren and Hit to stop his final attack. Gogeta Blue, and by extension current Vegito blue who is made up of the same guys but stronger versions (current Vegito blue is stated stronger than he was against cumber and chronologically appears after Gogeta blue in heroes), SSJ4LB Xeno Vegito, SSJ4LB Broly, Dark King Fu, MUI CC Goku, Grand Priest etc. Also Future warrior from Xenoverse 2 in his last 2 keys and Future warrior from Xenoverse 1 in his Xenoverse 2 key would scale. Those are some obvious ones. There may be more that I missed but you get the idea.
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Shouldnt Cumber, Golden Metal Cooler, Jiren, Hearts & New Dark ki SSB Vegeta scale?!
 
SirAlex09 said:
So is this going to be applied?
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The blog is already linked to the relevant profiles, although the tier 2 and some 3-A DB characters need the "likely at least 39.2 sextillion c" updated since the number is outdated. Lore wise everybody below Beerus level should be listed as (At least 196 quadrillion c, likely far higher), while those who are Broly/Beerus level or higher should be listed as (At least 196 quadrillion c, likely at least 245 septillion c) for at least somewhat scaling to SSJB Gogeta. And obviously the links to the 2 relevant blogs should remain. Here is the list of those who need to be checked.

Son Goku (Dragon Ball Super)
Beerus
Champa
Iwen
Heles
Mule
Quitela
Arack
Liquir
Sidra
Rumsshi
Belmod
Giin
Whis
Grand Priest
Vados
Awamo
Sour
Campari
Cognac
Cukatail
Korn
Mojito
Kusu
Marcarita
Martinu
Zen'ō
Vegeta (Dragon Ball Super)
Piccolo
Pilina
Saonel
Future Trunks
Android 17
Frieza
Frost (Dragon Ball)
Botamo
Cabba
Auta Magetta
Hit
Copy-Vegeta
Arale Norimaki
Goku Black
Vegito
Fusion Zamasu
Obuni
Monna
Maji Kayo
Koichiarator
Koitsukai
Catopesra
Borareta
Anilaza
Caulifla
Kale
Kefla
Brianne de Chateau
Jiren
Toppo
Dyspo
Kunshi
Broly (Dragon Ball Super)
Gogeta (Dragon Ball Super)
Future Zamasu
Barry Khan
Chronoa
Mechikabura
Fu
Demigra
Towa
Putine
Salsa
Gravy
Shroom
Fin
Chamel
Broly Dark
Time Breaker Bardock
Sealas
Hearts
Lagss
Kamioren
Cumber
Future Warrior
Android 21
Mecha Goku
Son Goku (Xeno)
Grand Priest (Dragon Ball Heroes)
Son Gohan (Dragon Ball Super)
Future Trunks (Xeno)
Beat (Dragon Ball Heroes)
Vegeta (Xeno)
Vegito (Xeno)
Mira (Dragon Ball)
Kid Buu (Xeno)
Mr. Satan (Dragon Ball Heroes)
Future warrior (Xenoverse 2)
 
I agree with it as well. The SSB Form is constantly stated to be precisely that-50x whatever absurdly high and unquantifiable number SSG is supposed to be. It’s stated by guides, WOG, and even in verse.
 
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