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I see that as a feat for Zoro rather than an anti-feat for Kaido and BM. Zoro has to after all end the series as the strongest swordsman i.e. stronger than Mihawk and most likely Oden as well, so it makes sense what he did
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One Piece Chapter 1009: "Hell" (Official Release)
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I wouldn't say that the Yonko look bad, I just say that the regular people got strong too fast.
Luffy could barely beat Katakuri an arc ago now he's taking hits from Kaido. Idk man
Luffy could barely beat Katakuri an arc ago now he's taking hits from Kaido. Idk man
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that Haki bloom go crazy
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Haki bloom is basically DBS Broly RPL lite.
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The issue is the supernovas have grown ridiculously fast without any sort of top tier or intense training. Them being that strong isnt an issue its just how they got there.
It doesnt help that we havnt really seen the Yonko before now so we didnt really see stuff from them and their power as a basis compared to the Novas.
I wouldnt have minded them taking a few hits but they are taking several straight to the chops.
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IMO the Yonkou, in terms of sheer physicals, probably aren't as high as we currently rate them to be. I'm hoping that Oda shows us a lot more going forward so we can have a more solid basis for it.
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I think that's just downplay. The supernova have tangled with some of the strongest people around. Doflamingo for example, against whom we can judge Law and Luffy is not someone to laugh at. He has faced off against Aokiji and Fujitora and stopped Jozu in his tracks way back in Marineford. By all rights he is top Yonko commander level, the kind of huge power differential like we sometimes imagine between Yonko, Admirals and Supernovas post Time Skip was never really supported in canon.
I'd say the Yonko are about 3 - 5 times as strong as each individual supernova, which is why 5v2 is such a daunting prospect, but 5v1 might just work out
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Yeah but anime makes no sense. People just get stronger from sitting in Jail Cells, like Crocodile lol.
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Not really, we saw Luffy get his shit pushed in by Kaido then after going to prison, lifting some rocks and punching some Iron he can take multiple hits from stronger forms. The rest barely even did that much.
The problem with Doffy is that he was scared shitless of the idea of angering Kaido and he didnt fight Kuzan, Kuzan instantly froze his ass then he left/ran.
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Sakazuki is strong as hell, i would be mad if i said he wasn't, but Teach is an Yonkou, he is not a "gokou" like Luffy, the least he should be able to do with terrain, numbers and DF advantage would be fight against Sakazuki, no Yonkou should be used as a stair, not even for the Fleet Admiral.
I hope you are right and the flashback will be good, but so far the whole crew is a joke IMO.
I want to upgrade all of them to 6B if you want to upgrade all of them to 6B.
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The time for that will come I'm sure. In fact, I believe there might already be a CRT for taking Doflamingo up to 6-C. Marco is already up there in 6-B and he hasn't insta stomped King and Queen
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i mean when you have the first and second commander getting bullied by Marco it's hard not to think they a joke.
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Teach wasnt a Yonko back then tho, Post Payback War Teach not running from anybody, man pulled up on Dragon.
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Doflamingo straight up tried to murder Smoker after Kuzan rolled up on him saying "keep your hands off my friend". Then proceeded to instantly unfreeze himself and walk off. That's a power move right there
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Touché, but he had the other things i said.
Also, we scale Marco to Teach and not Whitebeard, right?
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Yeah
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Not really, he still got “scared” off after stating none of the Marine could be allowed to live, then Kuzan shows up, Doffy tries him, Kuzan responds and then Doffy just dips.
Theres still the fact Doffy was terrified of Kaidos wraith.
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I mean Kaido and his crew would absolutely wreck Doflamingo so it makes sense. It's not like he had almost 10 more people on his level backing him up like Luffy has (supernovas+Jimbe+Marco+Scabbards+Yamato+Sanji)
It's almost as if Luffy's greatest strength is the ability to turn people into allies. I wonder if someone had remarked about that in the series
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Honestly id argue Luffys greatest strength is how fast he grows but his ability to gain allies is also up there.
Ive never been one who believed there was some huge gap between the Admirals and Yonko that was just dumb.
Ive never been one who believed there was some huge gap between the Admirals and Yonko that was just dumb.
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That whole Yonkos way stronger than the Admirals argument just never made sense to me.
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It never did to me either, while I did think the Yonko where stronger I still thought they where around the same level.
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Honestly speaking I think my thoughts will change in these next two chapters, BM will be gone and we’ll see how effected Luffy and Zoro are rn. If Luffy and Zoro are down for a bit and heavily injured I would definitely back off my disappointment some.
They dont have to be permanently out by any means just down for a couple chapters.
So my feelings arnt set in stone.
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Adding a lot of character five times weaker would just increase the duration of the fight, it wouldn't give the weaker ones the win.
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Doflamingo was scared of Kaido, yes. He even said Kaido would have come to Dressrosa and destroyed him (Whether he meant Kaido himself, or his crew, or crew + Kaido, this doesn't matter. Doffy knows he would lose in the end).
- It would actually have been bad-ass if Dressrosa arc ended up involving Doflamingo's total defeat happening EARLY on (but Doflamingo himself hardly engaging in combat, thus not being in any wounded condition), having to flee Dressrosa, then being hunted down by the marines and Lead Performers before being captured and put in Impel Down... after a massive off-panel fight though, ofc.... smh
He was not afraid of Kuzan in the slightest, and this shows in their exchange. He simply wasn't stupid enough to engage in a serious fight in order to kill G5/Smoker since he did not have enough time or energy to both deal with Kuzan and then sort out the Law/Luffy situation (Which he had less than a day to accomplish from BEFORE he even reached Punk Hazard). There was no benefit in Doflamingo fighting Kuzan, even if he won the fight and killed Smoker.
- Chances are he would have lost/won and returned to Dressrosa in a wounded or critical condition (cuz he just battled someone Akainu-tier), and ASSUMING he manages to do it in a handful of hours (HAHAHAHA), he would have less time to plan on the arrival of Law and Luffy--and this is if Doflamingo assumes they aren't already on the island, which he would have no way of knowing.
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It would have been even less then that if Kuzan just straight up beat him to the point he couldnt have returned and got captured by G5.
This reminds me that I wanna see more from Kuzan as a Pirate. Reslly like him as a character so I cant wait to see more.
This reminds me that I wanna see more from Kuzan as a Pirate. Reslly like him as a character so I cant wait to see more.
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I feel that towards all the admirals + Sakazuki, i really think Issho or maybe Borsalino may enter Wano at the end a la Kuma, who would stop them is a good question but i still think it could happen.
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I genuinely do not expect much from Fujitora, unless he has been holding back the bulk of his power (or he shows up while all of the SHs and their allies are in horrible shape).
Sakazuki is Fleet Admiral and it would be extremely unlikely for him to take a single step off of Marineford 2.0.
The 3 Admirals may all be participating in the battle against the Shichibukai. We saw Fujitora on a ship, presumably in the calm belt since we see sea-kings (so hopefully Fuji vs Boa), and it can be assumed both Kizaru and Ryokugyou are each targeting their own Shichibukai (most likely Mihawk).
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Meh, i don't like any of these matchups, Fuji vs Hancock may be interesting but i don't see Hancock having much of a chance, while Mihawk vs Kizaru is an easy win for Mihawk IMO.
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I wanna see Coby vs Hancock.
Oda does a great job showing what's happening away from the main events, but I need to see fights as well
Oda does a great job showing what's happening away from the main events, but I need to see fights as well
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Yeah, that would be cool, iirc Coby never fought an important pirate, Hancock may be a few levels above him but i can see him evolving mid fight (assuming the fight isn't off screen).
Also, Fujitora may be in Wano already and may fight Big Mom for a moment (i would be so sad if she was simply removed and couldn't return because of the height).
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Good chapter overall.
Probably my favorite part was the Scabbards cutting Orochi, that was well deserved. Of course we only saw them cut five heads and we know they're numbers have been reduced. I expect Orochi will live on and meet his maker with Hiyori and that will be glorious.
I am alright with the way Yonko have been managed thus far. . .
Kaido- Physically he has the bests feats in the series bar none. Oda has to strike a "Balancing Act" with the fanbase desires:
1) On the one hand, they want to see a serious powerhouse that kills a character and add to the mortality of the series.
2) On the other hand, they want their favorites to live on and get stronger and see extended fights with cool abilities.
If Kaido was the former Luffy would be dead and the series would be over. If he was the latter we would have soemthing like Big Mom (More on that in a bit). I think therefore Kaido being a physical powerhouse with enough personality traits to explain holding back is the right fit to meet all fans desires. Persoanlly I would liek him to be more ruthless but then he would have to be powered down. ¯\(ツ)/¯
Everything D Teach- Power hungry, greedy, cowardly, Oda did a great job at making a truly detestable character. Sure his PL showings are pretty weak for a top tier but that is because he was not yet a top tier. Post TS he has a 6-B key different from his Pre TS and I am hopeful Oda will deliver on feats without compromising the cowardice and cunning of the character.
Shanks- Okay the guy lost an arm to a Sea King and played second rate to Vista's equal. That was all in his twenties before his ascent to Yonko status so I can let it fly. We know Oda has kept his power on the hush so there is still hope for him yet. It helps Kaido gave him soem respect recently and that is a guy who knows strength like no one else.
Big Mom- Argh, okay this one is awful. She started off strong as a Mafia Queen with witch powers and I can forgive her tantrums since they add to the chaos of her character. She has been trolled by Oda sooo many times now at some point we stop laughing at her and start laughing at Oda. facepalm
EDIT: Whoops, I forgot Whitebeard- This guy was a joy to see in action Pre-TS. Post TS after seeing other top tiers it puts into perspective how nerfed he was but like I said he was good at the time. This goes back to the Balancing Act mentioned above. Oda had to nerf Whitebeard because the story was not ready for a Top Tier yet so I have nothign bad to say about this character despite his poor showings.
As far as this chapter specifically I am curious what the results will be for "Ocean Soverignty" when calculated. Easily looks like vaporization can be applied over a large area. Zoro blocked it with not one but three swords of great durability and he is still knocking on death's door. It is a good feat still but let us not forget Kidd tanked an attack from Big Mom this chapter and Luffy took 2 direct hits from Kaido (we will see next chapter if he is KO'd or not). The teamwork fromt he supernova has been on point and I give Oda his due for his creativity and follow through here.
Probably my favorite part was the Scabbards cutting Orochi, that was well deserved. Of course we only saw them cut five heads and we know they're numbers have been reduced. I expect Orochi will live on and meet his maker with Hiyori and that will be glorious.
I am alright with the way Yonko have been managed thus far. . .
Kaido- Physically he has the bests feats in the series bar none. Oda has to strike a "Balancing Act" with the fanbase desires:
1) On the one hand, they want to see a serious powerhouse that kills a character and add to the mortality of the series.
2) On the other hand, they want their favorites to live on and get stronger and see extended fights with cool abilities.
If Kaido was the former Luffy would be dead and the series would be over. If he was the latter we would have soemthing like Big Mom (More on that in a bit). I think therefore Kaido being a physical powerhouse with enough personality traits to explain holding back is the right fit to meet all fans desires. Persoanlly I would liek him to be more ruthless but then he would have to be powered down. ¯\(ツ)/¯
Everything D Teach- Power hungry, greedy, cowardly, Oda did a great job at making a truly detestable character
. Sure his PL showings are pretty weak for a top tier but that is because he was not yet a top tier. Post TS he has a 6-B key different from his Pre TS and I am hopeful Oda will deliver on feats without compromising the cowardice and cunning of the character.Shanks- Okay the guy lost an arm to a Sea King and played second rate to Vista's equal. That was all in his twenties before his ascent to Yonko status so I can let it fly. We know Oda has kept his power on the hush so there is still hope for him yet. It helps Kaido gave him soem respect recently and that is a guy who knows strength like no one else.
Big Mom- Argh, okay this one is awful. She started off strong as a Mafia Queen with witch powers and I can forgive her tantrums since they add to the chaos of her character. She has been trolled by Oda sooo many times now at some point we stop laughing at her and start laughing at Oda. facepalm
EDIT: Whoops, I forgot Whitebeard- This guy was a joy to see in action Pre-TS. Post TS after seeing other top tiers it puts into perspective how nerfed he was but like I said he was good at the time. This goes back to the Balancing Act mentioned above. Oda had to nerf Whitebeard because the story was not ready for a Top Tier yet so I have nothign bad to say about this character despite his poor showings.
As far as this chapter specifically I am curious what the results will be for "Ocean Soverignty" when calculated. Easily looks like vaporization can be applied over a large area. Zoro blocked it with not one but three swords of great durability and he is still knocking on death's door. It is a good feat still but let us not forget Kidd tanked an attack from Big Mom this chapter and Luffy took 2 direct hits from Kaido (we will see next chapter if he is KO'd or not). The teamwork fromt he supernova has been on point
and I give Oda his due for his creativity and follow through here.
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If Onigashima is over land BM will be fine, if someone happebs to be below to fight her like an Admiral or some shit I could except it since it gives legit reason for her not to return.
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Hopefully Oda shows the warlords fighting in the interlude of Act 3. Coby might get body bagged tho.
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In your opinion which of those two paths would be better? Because Oda choose a third path, the "i will eventually do both things" path
Meh, which of his personality traits explain that? He didn't seem to be the type to hold back until he fought the scabbards, before that he did seem like a ruthless beast when not drunk.
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The reason why Fujitora vs Hancock is something I expect is due to the marines having information on how Hancock's ability works. Coby for example could try to attack her, but hesitate due to her looks, and be susceptible to the beam attack. Fujitora could hard-counter Hancock's basic powers, and he is strong enough to give her a run for her money. Also if his Haki negates her stone powers, it's gg... I expect Hancock more than any of the Shichibukai to be captured.
I think Coby would face Sandersonia, Marigold, or both. I can't see him defeating Hancock--that's WAY too fast for his development. Going from << Base Enies Lobby Luffy to >>> Pre-TS Luffy in general in 2 years is too much when we have not even seen what he is capable of.
It doesn't have to be Mihawk vs Kizaru, but Mihawk vs Kizaru + Vice Admirals + Fodder marines that he'd be fighting alone. Hell, Mihawk might just swing his sword twice to make a path of escape and just leave.
- Maybe Ryokugyo will be the one to go to Mihawk and his debut is him facing off against the WSS, which would be pretty good... He'd have to be stronger than Fujitora to put up a serious fight though imo.
- Or the SSG is sent to Wano since the Marines are preoccupied with the Shichibukai as Sakazuki said.
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Man I can’t wait to find out about that shit.
My bets on the “Super Soldier” theory.
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Hm? Did you really mean Pre-TS Luffy? Because i don't see how the gap from EL Luffy to Post-MF Luffy would be so big that Koby wouldn't surpass it in two years of training when Luffy himself only needed a few months at most, that and Pre-TS Smoker as well as Post-TS Tashigi are Captains and both are L7B just like Hancock, if Koby is close to them due to being in the same rank and being a haki user (his profile already has L7B btw) then i can see him winning high-diff.
Mihawk is one of the few characters in OP that scales above another Yonkou level character (in this case Shanks) so i think anyone from the Marines not-Akainu would be just useless against him.
As for Ryo... just being stronger than Fuji isn't helping him, indeed even if he was stronger than the meteors directly he would still be defeated (unless he has some special power like the other Admirals have).
