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Also Pre TS Zoro should get Durability Negation via Flying Dragon Blaze, since the fire generates inside the opponents wound and cause combustion from the inside. (Dusted Ryuma.)
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One Piece - Swordsmen Desire CRT
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Bump.
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I can definitely agree with Hiryu Kaen getting durability negation. Changing my position on the the swordsmanship desire stuff to neutral.
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Just to further elaborate, Daz Bones is virtually immune to slashing based attacks and has never meet a Swordsman who could even scratch him. This statement is held true whenever Zoro attacks him and does nothing. Zoro starts thinking about what his teacher taught him, Zoro's sword then understands his will allowing him to cut what he wants and not to cut what he doesn't want with no effort. Afterwards he's able to cut through Daz because of this rule amongst swordsmen and Zoro after this point doesn't even find Diamonds to be worth his time.
"A good Swordsmen can cut anything he wishes and not cut what he wishes to protect." I.E if they know what they wanna cut and have it in mind they'll cut it. It's a similar concept to Alchemy in FMA, if an Alchemist can understand the alchemical composition of an element they can manipulate it.
"A good Swordsmen can cut anything he wishes and not cut what he wishes to protect." I.E if they know what they wanna cut and have it in mind they'll cut it. It's a similar concept to Alchemy in FMA, if an Alchemist can understand the alchemical composition of an element they can manipulate it.
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Saying he is immune to slashing based on his statement is a bit of an overstatement no one before had the AP to hurt him is all. And he even said that Zoro improved over the course of the battle. Anyway I already said what I agree with. Who is getting this again? I know Zoro and Mihawk are but who else?
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It just says that his wound is on fire, where is the fire stated or shown to spawn inside the person?Agreed
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Mihawk who's 6-B also couldn't cut through Daz Bones when he wasn't intending too either, until he did intend to cut him and cut through him easily.
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Wait Mihawk fought him? I haven't caught up yet so I am quite behind. Alright I guess that makes sense.
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All that means is that his ranged slash towards Luffy was weak enough for Daz to block it. So Mihawk simply attacked with more force when he got up close.
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Mihawk wasn't holding back, he even said so.
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I don't think for a moment that means he was using 6-B attacks with every slash. Luffy was also able to dodge some of his attacks, which would make zero sense with the speed difference between them.
Mihawk also sent a ranged slash to Luffy earlier in the fight and merely cut him.
6-B durability Luffy?
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No Luffy surving these hits is PIS just like him surviving hits from the Admirals & Sengoku, but the point is Mihawk didn't overcome Daz Bones simply by applying more power.
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Daz Bones currently has Resistance to Bladed Weaponry. And Haki has Resistance Negation, right?
So how do we know Mihawk didn't simply negate Daz's resistance to bladed weaponry and cut him with Haki?
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It could be that and I believe it's currently accepted as that, I'm neutral on durability negation for swordsman at the moment so I'm not arguing for it only clarifying that Daz Bones body wasn't overcome via AP.
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Zoro, Mihawk and possibly Ryuma since those are the known "Goken" type swordsmen in the series.
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Hyogoro as well.
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Sorry what is Goken? It might be obvious and I just messed up lol
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"Might Blade/Strong Sword" a classification of Swordsman that refers to this skill
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Nah it's not obvious, we were just arguing over it yesterday.
Goken is a fighting style which means "strong blade" and the opposite of Juken (weak blade). The people listed above use that specific fighting style with their blades.
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Right, thanks.
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So how does this sound "Possible Limited Durability Negation. (Swordsmen can specifically choose what they wish to cut and to not cut what they wish to protect, users of this type are able to cut whatever material they wish as long as they will for it to be.)
I'm open to anyone suggestions for better replacement, if you can reword it better feel free to.
I'm open to anyone suggestions for better replacement, if you can reword it better feel free to.
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Selectively cutting doesn't sound like Durability Negation to me. Especially not cutting something. They aren't increasing the durability of whatever they touch with their sword.
The wording of this is total NLF. That's like saying "Zoro could easily cut Kaido as long as he intended to cut flesh".
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I suggest something like this to avoid NLFs:
"Possible Limited Durability Negation (Certain swordsmen are implied to be capable of cutting any material they set their mind to whether it be flesh or steel however the full extent to which this can be applied is unknown.)"
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I'm fine with Rocker's suggestion regarding the wording.
Really wasn't feeling mine either so I appreciate the help with the rewording.
Really wasn't feeling mine either so I appreciate the help with the rewording.
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Fine. I can settle for that.
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If you can close this I'll add this into the profiles.
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Which swordsmen would fall under this?
Ryuma, Zoro, Mihawk, who else?
Ryuma, Zoro, Mihawk, who else?
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Hyogoro if he gets a profile and that's it.
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Also Pre-timeskip Zoro's usage would be limited only with the Ittoryu Iai: Shishi Sonson & Nitoryu Iai: Rashomon techniques, but Post-timeskip he's shown he can use it in all his attacks without issue.
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The OP asked me if I could help update the profiles, so I'll assist with that.
I found out that Kawamatsu uses a strong blade sword style based on his fighting style (we can see all of the air sword slashes and the flying sword slashes and such) and I ripped it from the Wiki, so I'll wait on you guys' views on that.
I'll edit Mihawk, Zoro, and Ryuma, but I'll wait to see if I should do Kawamatsu as well.
I found out that Kawamatsu uses a strong blade sword style based on his fighting style (we can see all of the air sword slashes and the flying sword slashes and such) and I ripped it from the Wiki, so I'll wait on you guys' views on that.
I'll edit Mihawk, Zoro, and Ryuma, but I'll wait to see if I should do Kawamatsu as well.
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I had a look at the wiki's source and it doesn't seem to show or state that he has it, I think the wiki just got confused for regular ryuo.
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It's on the swordsman page (not VSBW).
The strong blade is just fighters who emphasize strong movements, flying sword slashes, things of that nature, which Kawamatsu clearly emphasizes.
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I think it would require feats or statements of being a "Strong Blade" Swordsman rather than an assumption being made.It's on the swordsman page (not VSBW).
The strong blade is just fighters who emphasize strong movements, flying sword slashes, things of that nature, which Kawamatsu clearly emphasizes.
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Question, if a certain material does not exist in OP, then a swordsman will be completely unable to cut it (at the start) even with AP advantage? For example, Daz Bonez (L7B) wasn't damaged by Mihawk (6B) when Mihawk didn't Desire to cut steel, so i guess the answer is "yes"?
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Ask this on a discussion thread, not on a finished CRT.
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This should have been closed.
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