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My Hero Academia - Scaling Revisions [Pro Hero Edition]
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You know since we ignore Bakugo's explosions when they're convenient to us Bakugou's explosions are High 8C Shigaraki and by extension Aizawa can be High 8C from Bakugou's small explosion Shiggy took.
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Wait, would Aizawa even scale to Shigaraki? Did he injure him at some point?
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Yeah at the USJ when he punched him
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I don't see how he injured him, Endeavor punching Shigaraki has more going for it then that and we don't scale him to his dura.
Shigaraki not only blocked it but doesn't have any bruise and doesn't mention any pain.
Shigaraki not only blocked it but doesn't have any bruise and doesn't mention any pain.
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No he punched him in the jaw and knocked him to the floor
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Assuming that you're serious here, there is a clear difference between most of Bakugo's explosions and the ones that are High 8-C.
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What difference, since Bakugo doesn't have any High 8-C explosions around that time right?
He's High 8-C via scaling to 5% Izuku.
He's High 8-C via scaling to 5% Izuku.
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Yeah a clear difference that we actually ignore because people don't like 9A Bakugo. It's quite obvious in the series that size matters to his attacks and his 9A explosions haven't harmed anyone like 5% Deku with force.
Plus Bakugou's explosion he used to beat Deku might need to be dropped since the explosion looks different in the manga
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His explosions aren't always High 8-C. He even states that the small blasts he used against All Might are half-assed.
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The explosion doesn't need to be identical, that's not how we work here.
The explosion can't be measured in the manga, as there's nothing to compare it to.
Because it makes no sense to label Bakugo at 9-A with his explosions, he's uses his explosions to propel his fist to increase their power/speed. Yet he's only 9-A?
His fist is over 100x stronger than his own blast?
The explosion can't be measured in the manga, as there's nothing to compare it to.
Because it makes no sense to label Bakugo at 9-A with his explosions, he's uses his explosions to propel his fist to increase their power/speed. Yet he's only 9-A?
His fist is over 100x stronger than his own blast?
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Well yeah? What do you mean, of course he can regulate his explosions.
But with the Shigaraki scene we're saying he decided to use an attack that's over 100x weaker than his own punch?
At this point maybe Bakugo shouldn't have a rating with his explosions.
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When has Bakugou used his explosions to amp a punch?
You say that as though Bakugou being stronger than his explosions is impossible especially since we see a kick from him draw blood from Deku yet his explosions at most burn him except for when he uses bigger attacks
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Generally speaking, his fists are shown to be more potent than some of his smaller explosions sometimes. And there isn't any legit reason we can't say his fists are stronger than some of his weaker blasts.
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Bakugou's explosion key could be just be Varies from 9A to High8C with explosion. We see him do 9A explosions on panel and we also know he does quite a bit of his damage by heat as shown in several fights.
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A punch would draw blood because that energy is focusing into his fist, an explosion can't do that since it spreads across the entire body. (Assuming the punch and the explosions share the same amount of energy. Though in reality a punch that strong would cause a massive shockwave but that's fiction for you)
Of course Bakugo's fist can be stronger than his weaker blast Yes Bakugo didn't use his max explosion which injure himself, but we're saying his normal blast with full power, not his self injuring explosion, are 100x weaker than his punches.
I also don't see why we need to label them as 9-A, why not go all the way and label them as 9-C or 9-B. Since we've seen his explosions do that to? Why should we label when he's holding back, should we do the same for other characters when they hold back?
It was an anime scene, that's my bad there.
Of course Bakugo's fist can be stronger than his weaker blast Yes Bakugo didn't use his max explosion which injure himself, but we're saying his normal blast with full power, not his self injuring explosion, are 100x weaker than his punches.
I also don't see why we need to label them as 9-A, why not go all the way and label them as 9-C or 9-B. Since we've seen his explosions do that to? Why should we label when he's holding back, should we do the same for other characters when they hold back?
It was an anime scene, that's my bad there.
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Okay? There's still Bakugo stating that his smaller blast is half-assed. For the most part, there isn't really a concrete reason we scale his smaller explosions to his bigger ones.
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His normal attacks are what I'm talking about though. Shoto's normal flames pack barely any force yet we still use them. What rule is there that all of Bakugo's explosions have to be on par or stronger than his punches?
I'm fine taking them down to 9B or whatever but majority of his normal explosions look or are calced to 9A on top of that it was you who said we can't have a 9B character because such a difference between characters doesn't exist.
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No, I'm saying why should we label his smaller explosions on his profile at all?
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Because they're the attacks he uses most in fights such as against Uraraka, Tokoyami, 5% Deku etc. On top of that Bakugo is not High 8C with all his attacks this is like arguing 5% is 7B is because that's how strong Deku at his strongest is even though we blatantly see him fight with a lower amount of power.
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Isn't that AOE fallacy, your saying they can't be High 8-C because they're small in size. (Not Saying Uraraka should scale to that)
So Bakugo's explosions can never scale to anyone... fine I'll just shut my mouth.
So Bakugo's explosions can never scale to anyone... fine I'll just shut my mouth.
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I think the key here is just to find the rating for Bakugo's casual explosion? By casual I mean the one that he uses normally. Because it kinda varies sometimes tbh (the ones he was using at Sports Festival were 9-A I think, could be wrong). I'm neutral on that.
Maybe not in previous arcs, but it would be in the current arc, but we're not discussing that right now, I just wanted to point it out as this might be relevant when top tiers are discussed.
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We calc the size to determine the strength but then we say AOE phallacy when we don't like the rating. You're acting as though we haven't always used the size to prove their strength.
I didn't say that.
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In the current arc, it's established he can condense his explosions to be as strong as his full power blasts. So yeah, I agree with that.
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SF Bakugo mainly used 9A explosions. Pre War Bakugo has so few fights that I can't even determine an average for him since he's either weakened or holding back in the fights we see him in so if we do go with this he'd jsut upscale from his previous key or something. Current Bakugo is exempt from all this since the size means nothing to him now (plus he's kinda featless)
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I understand, apologizes for my behavior for a second.
You make a fair point and I shouldn't be ignoring that for the sake of my own opinions or head canon. I suggest we save the Bakugo talk for the student thread which will come after this I believe. But my apologizes on my shortsightedness, I'll try to calc some of the thing Knuckleduster went through so we can have a proper rating.
You make a fair point and I shouldn't be ignoring that for the sake of my own opinions or head canon. I suggest we save the Bakugo talk for the student thread which will come after this I believe. But my apologizes on my shortsightedness, I'll try to calc some of the thing Knuckleduster went through so we can have a proper rating.
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It's quite alright I'm not particularly upset anyway.
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How on Earth did we get into Bakugo scaling from discussing the Pro Heroes? (Not a serious question, this sort of thing is inevitable but also why I wanted us to stay focused).
What's the next step? We need new justifications for Present Mic, Aizawa and Vlad King?
What's the next step? We need new justifications for Present Mic, Aizawa and Vlad King?
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Right sorry about that.
Until we sort Bakugou’s explosions out all three will be unknown since they’re like 9B or featless
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Sorry for being unable to help with the revision, I haven't had access to internet until recently.
As I said in the other thread, I fully agree with the Pro Hero changes, we can't keep scaling them from Deku as there is no real connection between them, and in general they lack any kind of feat, so Unknown is the only choice we have for now.
As for Aizawa, his younger self was able to hurt and receive blows from a giant villain capable of destroying buildings unscathed, so I'll try to calculate some these feats so as not to leave Aizawa at Unknown. The rest of the Pro Hero changes should be unaffected by this.
As I said in the other thread, I fully agree with the Pro Hero changes, we can't keep scaling them from Deku as there is no real connection between them, and in general they lack any kind of feat, so Unknown is the only choice we have for now.
As for Aizawa, his younger self was able to hurt and receive blows from a giant villain capable of destroying buildings unscathed, so I'll try to calculate some these feats so as not to leave Aizawa at Unknown. The rest of the Pro Hero changes should be unaffected by this.
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Sorry. I had lost track of this revision thread. I think we're still waiting on the feats mentioned above to be calced. But in the meantime from that, I will apply the changes to the characters who aren't dependent on the calcs.
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That should be fine, as we've already agreed on those points.
Apologies for being so inactive, despite saying I would make a calc. However I'll probably won't be making any calcs for a long time.
Apologies for being so inactive, despite saying I would make a calc. However I'll probably won't be making any calcs for a long time.
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What feats need to be calculated? I have some free time so I could take a crack at at least one of them if I have the appropriate scans.
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More importantly, though, I noticed something. It happens with the students, but the thing itself could affect at least some pro heroes so I figured it's worth mentioning here.
The giant villains in the Shie Hassaikai arc have a calc that puts them at 82.95 tons. In the fight with them, Uraraka and Tsu defeat them with a combined attack after Nejire's initial attack. Going by this being a combo attack and it hurting and defeating the villains, would Uraraka and Tsu during the Shie Hassaikai arc each scale to 1/2 of this? This would make them about 41.48 tons, and given that Tsu and especially Uraraka are lower tier characters, it would have a notable impact on the verse.
The giant villains in the Shie Hassaikai arc have a calc that puts them at 82.95 tons. In the fight with them, Uraraka and Tsu defeat them with a combined attack after Nejire's initial attack. Going by this being a combo attack and it hurting and defeating the villains, would Uraraka and Tsu during the Shie Hassaikai arc each scale to 1/2 of this? This would make them about 41.48 tons, and given that Tsu and especially Uraraka are lower tier characters, it would have a notable impact on the verse.
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No, that would probably be an outlier.
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I wanted to talk about that calc actually since it’s an over time thing and iirc it isn’t as though they did that damage in one or two strikes. Realistically two High 8C characters could accomplish that feat over time
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Based on what? Going up to 8-B isn't an unreasonable jump, especially since I believe the gap between the beginning of the UA school year and the Shie Hassaikai arc is a few months
Also, it's worth mentioning that this wouldn't be what they are in the earlier arcs. They'd be 9-A or 8-C or whatever it is in the earlier arcs and then 8-B starting at the Shie Hassaikai arc
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