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If those three are becoming Low 2-C for blocking one of his blasts, why would he become 3x baseline?
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DBS low 2-C scaling revision
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If wiki make BoG low 2-C/2-C this wont be a Problem
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Didn’t AKM mention something about Low 2-C BoG in the discussion thread a while ago, or am I misremembering?
Also I’m pretty sure that the base Saiyans would just be “beneath” baseline, even though that’s not really possible since Low 2-C is infinite.
Also I’m pretty sure that the base Saiyans would just be “beneath” baseline, even though that’s not really possible since Low 2-C is infinite.
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Yeah you can't divide low 2-C.
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Can't they just be like "below baseline" while still having the same gap of strenght netween high 3-A and low 2-C?
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What?
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If this does get accepted it would help solve my issue of, as I said earlier, post ToP characters being 3-A in base but Low 2-C in their strongest forms. Goku being straight up Low 2-C in all his forms scaling from what Zamasu posted in the OP but that isn't completely relevant to the thread so I'll leave that for later
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Cool! That's exactly what I was thinking too.
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@Zamasu_Chan BTW Zamasu, I have a statement from one of the episode directors of DBS which can be used as supplementary evidence to support the consistency of Low 2-C base.
According to Megumi Ishitani, director of episode 131, Jiren was unable to use his full power against 17 and Frieza because he had been emotionally compromised by his fight with Goku, and once the later got up he was able to utilize it (this is kind of implied in the episode as Jiren shows the flaming aura and Vegeta even adds in that Jiren had "gotten over his issues"). Now of course before anyone says I'm NOT using this to scale Goku to Jiren but rather using it to show that base Low 2-C characters are consistent starting with Zamasu and ending with the ToP
According to Megumi Ishitani, director of episode 131, Jiren was unable to use his full power against 17 and Frieza because he had been emotionally compromised by his fight with Goku, and once the later got up he was able to utilize it (this is kind of implied in the episode as Jiren shows the flaming aura and Vegeta even adds in that Jiren had "gotten over his issues"). Now of course before anyone says I'm NOT using this to scale Goku to Jiren but rather using it to show that base Low 2-C characters are consistent starting with Zamasu and ending with the ToP
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Oh yeah. Lol I already analyzed the **** out of it and yes I agree. But we’ll talk about that another time.
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Bump.
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Should we get some staff input on this CRT has there already been input? I haven't paid much attention to older comments
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Yes get some staff.
I can’t believe 100 messages were wasted over arbitrary numbers.
I can’t believe 100 messages were wasted over arbitrary numbers.
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another thing supporting base saiyans being low 2-C is in episode 123 when goku takes a barrage of punches to the face from jiren while he was in base ( those punches were also stated to be the stongest attacks he's ever been hit by up to that point )
it's also important to note that 5 seconds later he turns ssbkk
it's also important to note that 5 seconds later he turns ssbkk
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Zamasu had yet to merge with the universe so why does this matter, they only blocked a single attack from a tiny fraction of Zamasu's whole form.
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Yeah, we pretty much had countless discussions about this. Downscaling everyone from Infinite Zamasu is fallacious.
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IZ already spread out into space and was appearing in the present while attacking them.
I feel like you just skimmed through the OP or misunderstood it. I’m not down scaling every 3-A character, that’s dumb.
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That just means he was breaking through time he hadn't consumed the universe yet, all they say is that he is "becoming the universe".
Also IZ would be Low 2-C for his entire form, not the tiny clouds in the sky that blasted Goku and Vegeta which at that point made up an infinitesimal fraction of his full size.
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By everyone, I mean everyone who fought him in the Goku Black saga; Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks.
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How is it fallacious tho? Care to explain?
He wasn’t just clouds in the sky. He already spread out into space.
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Their Ki attacks did 0 Damage to the IZ form, and furthermore, IZ was literally just toying with everyone. It makes no sense that their separate parts were on par with them, the older forms stomped everyone and matched Gogeta momentarily. Then after the Spirit Sword blitz, he got infinitely stronger.
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They all got their ass kicked by weaker forms of Zamasu that aren't Low 2-C.
The "feat" of holding back tiny attacks from a fraction of Infinite Zamasu is not Low 2-C.
The "feat" of holding back tiny attacks from a fraction of Infinite Zamasu is not Low 2-C.
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They don’t have NPI.
IZ is literally blood lusted why would he hold back?
Pre zenkai duh. We’re you not paying attention?
Gogeta? What the heck?
Like is said before, that was pre zenkai.
A fraction of low 2-C is low 2-C kek.
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Not in Dragon Ball.
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In this context I mean the energy IZ is shooting. Matt is just saying it’s not low 2-C because it “looks tiny”.
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this is not how it works in fiction if a character is holding back it's unquantifiable.
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Eh, it technically still is. Unless that character truly is using a negligible amount of power as far as the scenario is concerned, even holding back would make those that can fight him Low 2-C.
Of course, Dragon Ball is not the above situation.
Of course, Dragon Ball is not the above situation.
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No, backwards scaling from Tier 2 peopl doesn't work based on "oh you can't suppress yourself infinitely" because 99.9% of the time the infinite power isn't even an idea of the author. Characters holding back iss arbitrary
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Why are you assuming he’s holding back though?
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I am pretty sure a tired and depleted Goku and co. (him needing Senzu to keep fighting proves this) blocking IZ's attack is just another one of classic inconsistency the anime is riddled with. Zamasu was around SSB Vegito's level just moments ago and it is a massive leap to say a tired and depleted Goku got stronger than SSB Vegito moments after de-fusing and zenkai boosts don't even work that way, they need to heal first.
This, again, has been discussed previously and rejected. There is a discussion rule saying not to change the ratings without bringing new evidences to the table and I see no new evidence being brought up here.
This, again, has been discussed previously and rejected. There is a discussion rule saying not to change the ratings without bringing new evidences to the table and I see no new evidence being brought up here.
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AKM slapping correct once again
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There are feats and statements of saiyans getting stronger as they fight and I gave examples in the OP. Goku literally went from weaker than Zamasu’s wall of light to stomping him out with SSB and one shotting him with kaioken.
Goku and Vegeta even had enough time to recover and get a zenkai because as shown in the TOP, saiyans only need a few seconds to a minute to recover and revive a zenkai.
I doubt that tbh. Not only could I not find a single thread trying to upgrade base Goku through IZ, but this is also the classic “we’ve discussed this before so close the thread” mentality. Whenever you say something’s been discussed, link all the threads and let us read them to see exactly what the OP was talking about.
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I kind of agree with AKM about how Zenkais works, but then again Goku Black doesn't need to heal to recieve a zenkai
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Vegeta seems to imply they don't necessarily need to heal as well.
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The "with kaioken" kind of invalidates your point. Also, that is true for cases when they still are not completely depleted or eventually recover without needing a senzu. Instead, in this case they didn't even have the time to recover as evidenced by Goku asking for a senzu to fight IZ. So a boost here makes no sense especially when you're trying to argue he went from being a miniscule fraction of SSB Vegito's power to stronger than SSB Vegito just seconds after de-fusing.
Surprisingly, you are not the first person to notice that they blocked IZ's attack lol. I don't remember the titles of the threads and if it were the old forums, I'd still be able to find them, but it's not easy to find them here. But yes, it was waved off as just another inconsistency that DBS fights are riddled with and you are not bringing up anything new here.
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How? Goku kicks him around a bunch then he one shots him with the Kaioken.
Goku needing a senzu doesn’t mean anything. During the entire TOP he needed a senzu but still managed to recover in minimal time. Also several minutes passed between Goku and Vegeta defusing to IZ blasting at them.
Something not making sense doesn’t mean it’s nit wrong, especially when there’s evidence to support it and nothing contradicts it.
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