That's a red herring especially considering the context of those "examples" you brought up are all different from AX.
Irrelevant when talking about a power source
Apparently analogies to other verses are frowned upon, what do you know.
He has no failsafe 4, he specifically made it to have fun again, no way he could replicate what Azmuth made. CTB also erases so Alien X couldn’t have saved him unless you argue he would have used his reality warping against the bomb, something he probably wouldn’t have time to do since the failsafe activates at the last moment. Also due to Atomic-X getting wiped out, no other Ben could access Alien X due to acausality type 2 and being a multiversal singularity. This is also my second argument on VSBW, how fun when you’re still discussing the same thing after a year and a half.
We see energy shoot out of it, that’s also power right there.
Still an overtime void.
It wouldn’t matter. The heart is what would be powering the void to complete the destruction of the Multiverse in general, which means it’s power is relative to the entire Multiverse
Agree. The Chrono Navigator’s power source is what would be powering the destabilization to the complete destruction of the multiverse in general, which means it’s power is relative to the entire multiverse.
Except, that’s not what the Chrono Navigator was doing.
I do not know. It depends on what other staff members here think.
You know what. You don’t have any concrete proof that the chrono navigator is just Buuhan’s feat but on a bigger scale and I don’t have concrete proof (aside from the big rip in the middle of the screen) that it’s destabilization or a collapse. Thus Low 2-C, possibly 2-B. Consider it a limited time offer but since the alternative is another 2000 posts of debate, it doesn’t seem like a bad idea to me.
It's literally shown just to be opening holes in space time.
Give me the name of the sword that Kai is wielding without looking it up. Gwen’s AP varies a lot and I might actually CRT it to vary, also it’s not like Future Gwen has much anti-feats either, especially not with the AP of her mana.
An uncontradicted statement, contrary to Atomic-X. Also this isn’t even a statement, this is what we assume a character likely thinks.
Storm, irreparable damage to the time stream, one hole growing and enveloping half the screen which portrays time collapsing, ...
Thread explains exactly why the statement is vague and contradicted. Quote once where I said Ben 10,000's thought process was a statement. I'll wait. I said in response you saying "feats >" when Alien X has no feat of 2-B as you're attempting to defend him staying at.
Link the debunks cause so far I haven't seen any real debunk, you may have written a refute but you have not disproved the claims. There's a difference.
Variable tier or inconsistency? Characters need justification, like an in universe explanation. And do you not see the problem with squeezing every character in the same tier as Atomic X?
I'm not denying it was going to destroy the multiverse lmao. I'm saying that it's not using AP, just range + portals.
Kai’s sword is Excalibur, which the forever knights sought since it makes them invincible in combat and Humungousaur couldn’t get out of the stone since he’s not worthy.
There’s are less Celestialsapiens in the multiverse/forge than the gap between 2-B and 2-C so they’d still be 2-B but less high. Also is this based on them changing the artstyle or?
You mean low 2-C?
Are you talking about the artsyle thing? Changing an aspect of a Universe or a multiveerse doesn't mean you're changing it's entirety. We also have no further context about how they went about changing it in the first place.
Your argument is that his hax scales to the best haxes in the verse, just like Kukui argued way back. The entire point of the previous discussions was to prove that AX’s hax scales above the Navigator’s hax which makes him 2-B since he can replicate the same feat that makes the Navigator 2-B. That isn’t using an out of context statement, that’s proving that even with your own logic he’s 2-B.
