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Alien X downgrade :/
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Note that Servantis was also in the process of trying to gaslight Kevin back into evil, of course he’d use that sort of language when describing Ben. It fits his purpose.
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what you're doing when you say that is taking one of the main statements being used as evidence, isolating it to make it look less valid, then making a sarcastic statement about it
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It’s the only statement. Blink and you’re gone could mean anything, that’s the statement that EE came from. Literally, that’s the basis of that ability.
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Consider this, if there were no alien X, would Servantis say that of Way Big? Or Atomix? Or whatever Ben's most powerful alien is? Clearly he only says that of Alien X because he knows the statement has merit.
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Like I said. That's only enough for possibly EE.
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well "wish everything out of existence" is certainly more on the nose than "erase everything" and I think it's no accident that the quote being isolated is the more vague sounding one
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Note that Alien X was literally the exact alien Ben was transformed to in that time. While I’m certain Servantis would use different language, he would probably say something similar had Alien X never existed. That’s because he’s manipulative. He’s manipulating someone to his advantage. If he doesn’t have X, he’d just lie about something else.
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Would AX's EE fall under his Reality Warping? Or is his EE different from his Reality Warping?
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No but there is a statement about him that he can
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Nope. It’s just Servantis’ Statement and the ‘Blink and you’re gone’ statement from Kevin. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Dude almost 90% of the characters in fiction has EE not based on feats but due to statements like : "he can erase everything out of existence", "I will erase you across all time and history"....... Some ***** like that, Demigra never demonstrated EE but yet he still does have it due to him being stated to have the ability to erase all of history
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I mean this is a point of conjecture. Are there any points against EE besides "he has never shown it"? If this is the extent of it, "possibly Existence Erasure" could work with an explanation that it was never shown in-canon, just alluded to.
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Here's the statement for his EE :
- Servantis: With that weapon on his wrist, he can turn into a Tokust'ar or perhaps even a Celestialsapien. This grimy child could one day just wish everything out of existence.
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A punch that destroys the multiverse is a quick destabilization of the multiverse. The term quick is irrelevant in a 2-A cosmology, thus we should wait till I make my cosmology blog to this discussion this further, as previously agreed upon. Unless you’re talking about the space-time holes which IIRC other characters have as a justification for low 2-C.
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It would fall under it.
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I also think that Zamasu seems to make better sense in this case. My apologies Firestorm808.
That said, Firestorm808 is a nice, rational, and helpful staff member. There is no need to be testy against him.
That said, Firestorm808 is a nice, rational, and helpful staff member. There is no need to be testy against him.
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I mean we all agree about the 2-B downgrade but I disagree with Atomic x scaling to Alien x and I disagree with removing EE
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So the core purpose of the thread is universally agreed upon? K then.
I'm neutral towards EE but don't care if we get a possibly, tho "blink and you're gone" being equated to EE is quite silly, the person that's saying that peaks at 7-A and he's around a bunch of Low 2-Cs of ******* course a Low 2-C blinking would making him gone, it'd ******* atomize him due to the sheer difference in AP.
For the second statement, I don't know how I feel about trusting a deceitful source just because he could be telling the truth about the Celestapians and bending it to make them sound evil. Though this is the one that should be listed as possibly, not the "blink and you're gone" one.
I'm neutral towards EE but don't care if we get a possibly, tho "blink and you're gone" being equated to EE is quite silly, the person that's saying that peaks at 7-A and he's around a bunch of Low 2-Cs of ******* course a Low 2-C blinking would making him gone, it'd ******* atomize him due to the sheer difference in AP.
For the second statement, I don't know how I feel about trusting a deceitful source just because he could be telling the truth about the Celestapians and bending it to make them sound evil. Though this is the one that should be listed as possibly, not the "blink and you're gone" one.
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Possibly shouldn’t work in this scenario at all going by Zamasu and the others points.
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No? Almost everybody disagrees with it
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Gimme 5 minutes
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Yeah there's no reason to apply a possibly here, nothing implies at all Alien X scales to the time bomb.
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"At least Low 2-C" sounds fine
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Basically Megabug, Solaris and Dimentio all destroy the universe or multiverse via over time destruction/destabilization and yet they are rated as up to low 2-C, 2-C and 2-B respectively, so you might wanna start your downgrades with them. Not to mention that energy/second is still a thing that can be applied here and the multiverse snapping back to normal (not even fast since it took a minute or so) is just a property of the verse, other verses probably have something similar going on.
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No I want us to be consistent. And I don’t see why they should be downgraded.
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Can we stop using other profiles as an argument for shit Solaris isn't considered overtime, I remember constant Sonic threads arguing this. A supporting argument for Dimentio was that he could tank the void or whatever, Megabug's overtime thing is the exact reason the Mario cast wasn't given Low 2-C via him.
Energy/s isn't a thing under a 4D axis because you're beyond time by this point.
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I'm also going to downgrade Dragon ball characters 500x Low 2-C rating wank due to them scaling to a feat that was done over time
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Also Megabug's feat is considered overtime.
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There’s also that Chrono Navigator’s feat still follows the multiplier logic of still being equivalent in concept to destroying multiple space-times, something that can only be conceptually accounted for and not numerically quantified since it has no real world equivalent.
So if you can affect that 2-B range at some point all at once then you apply for that conceptual rating. there's no division possible to quantify numerically for the concept. Example the division between low 2-C and 2-C and that you can’t get from low 2-C to 2-C via sheer multipliers.
Creditz to a friend of mine.
So if you can affect that 2-B range at some point all at once then you apply for that conceptual rating. there's no division possible to quantify numerically for the concept. Example the division between low 2-C and 2-C and that you can’t get from low 2-C to 2-C via sheer multipliers.
Creditz to a friend of mine.
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Also bringing up other characters from unrelated verses and talking about downgrades for those said characters is not a valid argument and is blatant spite.
Stick on topic please!
Stick on topic please!
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Consistency + analogies. We can’t accept one feat for one verse and then ignore the same feat for another verse or we wouldn’t be doing our “job” well on this wiki.
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